16. Wade Davis
18. Desmond Jennings
20. Tim Beckham
BA's Midseason Top 25 prospects
Suprised to see T-Becks that low, but he is also probably the youngest player on that list. Really good to see Davis and Jennings in the top 20.
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On my personal prospects list.
I would put Davis third, Beckham second, and Jennings first.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just among Davis/Beckham/Jennings?
Or among all prospects. You homer.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just among Rays prospects.
I’m not sure where I would rank them league-wide, but I know it would be in that order.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rank 4th?
I guess you have to go Brignac, but Matt Moore has been so good this year.
by ClemsonRay on Jul 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some combination of Brignac/Hellickson/Moore.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I've definitally got Moore ahead of Hellickson
and probably ahead of Brignac. Maybe ahead of Davis. His command this last month has been spectacular. His K/BB is almost 5/1 and the scouting reports are top notch. He could be everything we hoped McGee would be.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to think about it.
But Moore definitely has a case to be #4.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although, I value hitters higher than pitchers because of the predictability accompanying them.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Brignac is higher for me than you guys I think. I still see him as a plus defender at short with a stick that plays there. How is Alcides Escobar that high?
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's a Adam Everett with the glove and can hit.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he hit?
Is he that good of a defender?
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm bigger on the Stephen Drew comparison.
by Suttree on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brignac is a better defender than Drew.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the everything I've read, yes
he’s absolutely that good of a defender.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you agree with Jennings/Beckham/Davis in that order?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give KLaw credit for being on the Deezy train first.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yAk was on Deezy from the moment we drafted him.
He was also on Moore way before anyone else. He doesn’t really post here and his opinions on are often flawed, but that guy is a sleeper machine.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAK also wanted to deal B.J. Upton for Daniel Cabrera.
Blind squirrels…
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was asinine.
But these two calls certainly weren’t blind squirrels. He was on them from the second we drafted them.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
He’s right more often than most when it comes to these things. He was also all over Lincecum and Bumgarner long before they’d really entered public consciousness.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him being pissed about Lincecum
falling as far as he did. I completely forgot he was on Bumgarner, but you’re right. He was calling him the best pitcher in that draft way before anyone else had him as an elite prospect.
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youALREADYknow
Considering the info that’s out there, he’s usually pretty good at pegging prospects. At the major league level, not so much.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've still got Beckham at 1.
Despite his early season hot streak, I see him being a mid-to upper .800 OPS guy. Which is fantastic for a plus defending CFer but I see Beckham doing the same thing and as a plus SS.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against that ranking.
But the sample size for Deezy is bigger.
I suppose the sample size of injuries is too.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've still got visions of Barry Larkin running through my head.
Just let me be.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my concern
Until T-Becks stops hitting better than the field or moves off SS, I’ll have it close.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that link intentionally linking to nothing?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
by Sam Page on Jul 9, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize it was trying to link.
I don’t have the link. My friend emailed it to me.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5456
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this has been posted before
but whats the average age and average slash line for beckhams league?
by Schmidt on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted the 18 and 19 YO seasons for Beckham, Upton, and Brignac
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
scroll down you'll see it
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad Schmidt, I didn't see you wanted the league averages
Batters
age=21.6
Pitchers=21.9
Slash= .257/.325/.382/.706
This is for 2008 BTW, but you cannot expect much difference. Last year, we were Columbus.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 9, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a "next 25" Hellickson comes in at number 33
on that same list. And Matt Moore is the number 43 prospect.
by tbrays14 on Jul 9, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
believe those are just in alphabetical order
by Schmidt on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are correct
Still, Hell Boy and Moore both make the top 50.
by tbrays14 on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injured yo
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Beckham can be top 5 soon
With Price no longer a rookie, we need a top spect back
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
by joeybw on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we're doing fine
I have our top 5 in the top 40 in all of baseball
T-Beck
DEEZY
Davis
Moore
Briggy
I can’t decide who I would rate higher yet.
probably DEEZY at around 10-12, Becks right behind him.
Davis around 20, Moore @ 30, and Briggy a few spots behind Moore
by daveh33 on Jul 9, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brignac may not be eligible next year.
He’s at 70 ABs now, so if anything happens he may not still be eligible.
by rglass44 on Jul 10, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's midseason top 25 is always a little bit screwy.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But this list actually looks pretty good.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 19 and killing the ball in AA.
Oh and he “catches.” It’s justified.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he doesn't catch, he's still a top prospect.
If he was a legitimate catcher, he’d be #1.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
He’s got light tower power and controls the strike-zone relatively well for anyone, exceptionally well for someone his age playing against the competition he’s playing against.
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad they have Tex signed to a HUGE deal for the next however many years.
by rglass44 on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can fake catch and play DH though.
His bat if for real. They’ll either find a place for him or trade him for a stud.
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by Tyler on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see him mentioned but still waiting for a list with Hellickson on it.......
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
by joeybw on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the next 25 in order
It was alphabetical order. My bad. But still in top 50, along with Moore
by tbrays14 on Jul 9, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You won't see him on any BA top 25 list.
And I’m not sure you should. His stuff is just above-average. He has above-average command to go along with it, which is awesome, but that doesn’t make him a top-25 prospect. He’s a good one, but not a guy with a huge ceiling. He’s also had injury concerns.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the whole top 25.
The Phils and the Rays are the only ones with three. Although the O’s, Giants, Marlins, and Braves all have 2 in the top 11 (which is crazy). So of the top 11, 8 come from 4 teams.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We are also the only team with 5 in the top 50.
WOOT!
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys mentioned here are important if the impossible happens
and we get Halladay
what spects would you give for Doc? Prob has to start with Davis but they want your first born so whats the most you guys would give up?
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
by joeybw on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody
seems like the team giving up all the young talent always ends up losing the deal
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Look at the Red Sox trade. They may wish they had Hanley, but they still won a WS.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to be a low-market team and win out in those trades, though.
The Mets killed the Twins in the Johan deal.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Bedard?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because the Twins took awful players.
Gomez was is probably the best CFer in baseball, but he couldn’t hit then and he can’t hit now. Deolis Guerra was significantly overrated. His scouting reports never really matched his stats and his velocity was wildly inconsistent when they traded for him. Some outings he would touch 96 others he didn’t touch 91. And everyone knew what Humber was. A middle reliever/5th starter, nothing more. That package was putrid. The Sox had a better package, albeit one with lower ceilings. The Twins shot for the moon, hoping that Gomez would turn the raw tools he had into skills and Guerra would maintain his velocity and find his curve. Instead Gomez has remained stagnant and Guerra stuff regressed and he got hurt.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Lester part of the Sox package?
I seem to remember Ellsburry/Lester or something like that.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first the rumor was it was Lester or Ellsbury.
But in the end it turned out Lester wasn’t really on the table. The package was something like Ellsbury, Bowden or Masterson and someone else. Which in hindsight is a solid deal.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference between Ellsbury and Gomez at this point?
by Suttree on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellsbury can hit.
Gomez has all the raw tools to be Carlos Beltran but hits like Joey Gathright.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wow, I didn't realize his OBP was 277.
That’s fucking awful.
by Suttree on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins GM should be fired for the Garza,Bartlett/Santana trades
They both were awful
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Nathan/Liriano/Bonser trade...
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what have you done for me lately
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't Smith, that was Terry Ryan.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they have an ace in Beckett
and Lowell was doing well at first
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
by joeybw on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won a WS MVP.
So did Eckstein, though.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's one example
Seems most end up wishing they could have the prospects back
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok lets pretend then
Who would you guys give up for Halladay?
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
by joeybw on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not trading for Roy Halladay.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we gave them Kazmir, both Gabes and Percival (They need a closer after dfa'ing Ryan)?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give talent to get talent
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 9, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can throw in Snider and we'll throw in Burrell or Navi
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only way to get Halladay is to take Wells
and his massive contract. 1 1/2 yrs of Halladay, many years of a bad contract, and giving top prospects…that should be too rich for anyone’s blood.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible Jennings could be up before Joyce?
maybe not this year (not that we need anything in RF right now with the Gabes doing very well) but a OF next year of CC-Upton-Jennings would be awesome. Put Jennings in the 9 hole and have a Jennings-Upton-CC 9-1-2 would fly around the basepaths. Add in Barty at 8 and we have 4 40+ potential SB players. That would be sweet.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome to watch.
RJ might jizz his pants with that OF.
That said, I doubt it.
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Joyce is currently a significantly better player than Deezy.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's more major league ready
but he’ll have a hard time holding back Jennings for a spot unless the Rays trade Upton or lose CC to free agency.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings has hit .235/.318/.337 over the last month in AA.
Yes, he’s been unlucky. Yes, he’s not nearly that bad. He’s certain insanely talented, but Joyce is very talented too. I don’t believe Jennings will be a regular in the big leagues until 2011.
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not according to milb.com
.240/.331/.317 for June and .290/.353/.516 so far in July. Before that, he was tearing it up for 2 months straight. He was due for a small slump. Regardless, he’s still 6th in the Southern League with a .315 average on the season, and a .389 OBP. He’s more than holding his own. That being said, until he gets some mileage in AAA, it is a moot point. I hope they get him some AB in Durham and see how he handles it. I could still see him ready by middle of next year.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My numbers are from the last 28 days according to minorleaguesplits.com.
And my argument that he’s not in the big leagues until 2011 has absolutely nothing to do with when he’s ready. Joyce has been ready all season long. Brignac is almost certainly ready. Neither are in the big leagues. There has to be a spot for you. And there probably won’t be a spot for Jennings until 2011 unless CC is traded (which is obviously possible).
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by Tyler on Jul 9, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying that Joyce had better show something next time around
or he’ll get passed up by Jennings. Joyce has put up solid numbers in Durham, but Jennings can move up the ladder pretty fast if he stays healthy. Joyce still has to prove he can be a full-time player. Joyce also has to prove he can avoid high strikeouts. Jennings hits both lefties and righties (so far) and has a great eye at the plate (almost as many walks as strikeouts). Joyce has to show he can handle it, while with Jennings, it’s only a matter of time and experience.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds are Jennings is our left fielder come late 2010/2011.
And Joyce is our right fielder.
I don’t see an issue.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think the Rays don't try to resign CC?
or just that they won’t be able to compete with a big market offer? CC has always said he wanted to create his own niche in TB and was never rushing to go anywhere else. With the market more down, perhaps they could resign him at his current salary? Then again, I’m probably naive.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 9, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine he won't try free agency
And even with a hometown discount, he’d still probably want a 4 – 5 year deal at $10M+ a year. He’ll be one of the better young free agent hitters to make it to the market in a while.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Prospect list
1. Deezy
2. Davis
3. Beckham
4. Hellboy
5. Moore
6. Brignac
7. Barnese
8. LeVon
9. Kang
10. Joseph Cruz
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 9, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not in the top 10
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 9, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of LeVon
any new news on the signings of our draftees rds1-5
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My top 11 (doesn't include 09 draftees)
1. Wade Davis
2. Desmond Jennings
3. Matt Moore
4. Reid Brignac
5. Tim Beckham
6. Jeremy Hellickson
7. Nick Barnese
8. Alex Cobb
9. Kyle Lobstein
10. John Jaso
11. Matt Gorgen
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 9, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lobstein that high?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 9, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a potential first rounder
6’3" lefty, his stuff still comes and goes apparently but when he’s on he’s really good.
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 9, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Jason McEachern?
surprising
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 9, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to stop myself
But he’s probably #12 or 13.
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 9, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also this was just a spur of the moment thing
If I actually reviewed stats and put thought into it, it would probably look different.
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorgs!
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proximity to majors and I think Beckham moves off short eventually
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 9, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few notes from the minors yesterday
Brignac: 3-5, 2 2B
Joyce: 3-4, 1 BB
Jaso: 2-5
Deezy: 3-5, HR, 3B, 2 SB
Hellboy: 6.2, 5 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 1 HR
Downs: 6 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 2 HR, W
Kang: 1-3, HR, BB
Moore: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 6 K, 0 HR
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hudson Valley:
Alex Colome: 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0BB, 9 K, 0 HR (WOW)
by rglass44 on Jul 9, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know
he was Jesus’s brother. I hear he has just as good stuff but better command.
by bobr on Jul 10, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that either.
Jesus’ stuff+command=impressive
by rglass44 on Jul 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both managers in the HV game got tossed(as did Colome)
The managers? Brady Williams for HV and JOSH PAUL for Staten Island.
Jason McEachern tracker: 17 ip 11 h 2 er 0 bb 15 so 1.06 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
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