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Jeff Niemann Dislikes the Royals

  • Sometimes Jeff Niemann exhibits all the attributes of an extremely good pitcher and leaves you saying "Damn." Today was one of those occasions. What the Royals lack for in talent they make up for by lacking in performance. They still are major league hitters, and anytime you strike out seven of those suckers without walking a soul, it's worth applauding. Admittedly Niemann didn't draw a ton of swings and misses (about 7% today) but he generated more grounders than fly balls and looked a lot like the pitcher he was in June/July than April/May.
  • Remember all of that moaning and whining I did about Niemann using his curveball more? He's done that. Check out his month splits:
Month FB CV SL CH K% BB% FIP GB%
April 73 7.1 13.6 0.3 13.3 11.2 5.97 34.7
May 71.5 10 15.6 0.2 13.2 9.3 5.17 41.1
June 73.9 12.3 12.1 0.4 13 10.4 3.26 40.7
July 72.4 14.7 11.5 0 19.6 4.1 2.63 45.8

 

Don't place too much emphasis on the FIP because his home run rate was unsustainably low these past two months, but here's the thing: everything in his control has improved. Whatever Jim Hickey has beat into his head - guessing a nice combination of words and boards - worked splendidly in July.

  • Watching Miguel Olivo on a daily basis must be the most irritating and predictable task in the world. Earlier in the season I named the Royals baseball's version of Sisyphus, I think he's the catching version. Every game you can guarantee Olivo is going to A) swing at a really awful pitch out of the zone and B) let a ball bounce by him.
  • I was wondering whether that triple will have a sustained affect on Pat Burrell's self interpreted speed. It will if his attempt to stretch a bloopy single into a double is any indication.
  • How you know it's your day:

 1. Dioner Navarro hits a home run and Pat Burrell triples

2. Carl Crawford throws someone out at home.

3. The Kansas City Royals are in town.

  • Jeff Bennett with the least dramatic reliever debut of the year behind Dale Thayer's mustache; two outs, both strikeouts, a few whiffs, and a single. Good job.

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Jeff Bennett

POWER ARM.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 1, 2009 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Niemann has multiple three ball counts and still allowed no walks

Im glad the Royals hitters are the Royals hitters. Their defense is also pretty entertaining.

Big wtf to Gabe Kapler.

Pat Burrell is a tease one good game, one bad.

Jeff Bennett has nice stuff, but I can see where he would walk a lot of guys. Reminds me of 07 Balfour /raymondo.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 1, 2009 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

kap

couldn’t see the replay, but the relay just looked outstanding.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 1, 2009 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

With Pat the Bat

It’s like one good game to ten bad.

by plasticman on Aug 2, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is really not the only year

he’s had decent BA/OBP numbers

i believe ’05- or ’06 he had a 380 OBP

by Raymondo on Aug 1, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it really is.

.651
.760
.699
.690
.894

Those are his MLB career OPS numbers. These are his BABIP in those years:

.277
.354
.301
.336
.386

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think he could sustain a decent walk rate though

if I recall correctly it showed consistent signs of improving as he matured with the Twins. That OPS is off the charts as a result of the power moreso than it is a result of an incredibly more disciplined approach (I’m willing to say last year, OBP wise, was a little bit of variance, and he is generally better at plate discipline than we give him credit for given past performance)

by Navi's_Navy on Aug 1, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't win on here, cause they'll find any stat

to make their case

i was specifically speaking of BA/OBP, and knew full well his HR total this year boosted his OPS

But along comes RJ and the OPS numbers

Who cares, i know i was right, and so are you

by Raymondo on Aug 1, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You youngins and your numbers and facts and your habeas corpus.

Back in my day, we watched a game from the comfiness of our Barcalounger and declared someone sucked without ever seeing them play in person. And we didn’t need fancy numbers that tell us how good he is! We saw it with our own eyes and his batting average!

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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 2, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

For someone over 50 i embrace the numbers more than most

But you failed to understand my post

I was reffering strictly to BA/OBP for Bartlett and proved he had come close in those areas once before

So in swoops the mighty RJ and gives us a laundry list of his OPS years

I never mentioned those stats

by Raymondo on Aug 2, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's still not going to have an OPS near .900

But if another team thinks he will, then we should cash the chip in during the off-season.

It’s not a hard concept.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minorleaguebaseball.com is annoying

Cannot access audio because they had to mess around with it in the offseason for whatever reason.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Aug 1, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Victor Mateo good first inning for GCL

kid is 2-4 with a 1.14 ERA and 1.01 WHIP, I don’t think I’ve ever seen those two numbers so close to each other

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Judging by the 9th inning tonight

I think Bennett will be an effective ROOGY opposite Choate/Shouse. He has a big split. He did not seem to be used effectively in ATL

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 1, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Cromer is a MAN

Bases loaded with one out—infield popout and a strikeout to get out of the jam

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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Desmond down swinging

On a 2-2 fastball.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

the pitcher from Indy is looking good

the pitch that struck out Deezy was 97 on the scoreboard clock

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

okay i understand the premise of loogy and roogy

As same handed groundball specialists. But for the love of god can someone please tell me wnst the acronym stands for? Its driving me crazy.

by jqueipo on Aug 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Slow inning

just 1 strand

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 1, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well they're also in charge of hiring everybody

Like radio announcers, ticket reps, etc.

On any given day, if you think about this industry, on site I am ultimately responsible for a food service department, a stadium operations department which is maintenance and cleaning, a marketing department, a retail operation, a finance department, a sponsorship sales department, ticket sales, group sales department and a box office. I don’t think I left anybody out, but my job literally weaves in between all of these functions.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/an-interview-with-a-minor-league-general-manager/

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imperialism,

A couple of questions about Lobstein and McEachern:

Where has Lobsteins command gone? All the reports from HS said he has plus command and pitchability. His other numbers are good, but I’m sorta worried about the command.

What’s McEachern’s ultimate ceiling? He reminds me of a Kevin Slowey type.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 1, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Lobstein

It’s anyone’s guess. Reports are his stuff is down somewhat, but he also hasn’t pitched since last spring, so who knows? I won’t be aggressive in ranking him highly this offseason, but this is his pro debut. I wouldn’t be too worried yet.

As for McEachern, he doesn’t have the pinpoint command of Slowey, but his stuff should be a lot better. The big reason I was high on McEachern is his projection, so I think his ultimate ceiling is pretty high. I’d really like to see the Rays start him in Bowling Green next season.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the answers

The reason I made the Slowey comp was their minor league numbers are similar, although Slowey was older and pitching at a higher level.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 1, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's entirely possible he develops it

But Slowey walked less than 1 per 9 innings his sophomore and junior season… you just don’t see that kind of control.

For what it’s worth, at age 19 in the NY-PL, Jeremy Hellickson struck out 11.1 per 9 and walked 1.9. McEachern, at age 18 is at 7.7 and 1.8, but I think the strikeout rate will go up(his first few starts he didn’t strike many out but he’s been better with it lately).

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I went to B-Ref and found that out.

For the 3rd or 4th youngest player in the league, that’s pretty damn good.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 1, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have come to expect 7+ from Niemann

a VERY pleasant surprise he’s been

Anyway, wins record update

14 – Rolando Arrojo, Edwin Jackson, James Shields

Jeff Niemann – 10
Matt Garza – 7
Ghost of Sonny – 7
James Shields – 6
J.P Howell! – 6
Scott Kazmir – 5
David Price – 4

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Aug 1, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Why does JP have 6 wins?

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is like when Julio Mateo won 10 games as a reliever

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Except Julio Mateo sucks

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How are you today, buddy?

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm great, man.

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good to hear.

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

SHUT UP CHUMPY

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You......bastard

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All your base

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

are belong to us

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

man I screwed up that joke

Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)

by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's the Royals

but damn we’re good.

2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State

by JMB on Aug 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

to Ellisburyyyyy

that guy is good. I can’t believe we drafted Jacoby Ellsbury and never was able to sign him

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

V-Mart

0-3 with a K so far…….

we didn’t need him…..we got Riggans coming back

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

well never mind

1-4 with an RBI single and a K

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No riggans your thingans :(

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

alot of people on MLBTR suggest that Bennett

is terrible, useless and will last on the team for 2 weeks.

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Newmann at Charlotte

7 ip 2 h 0 r 1 bb 7 so
11 groundouts to 3 flyouts

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, yanno what? I know people say the Red Sox have depth and blahblahblah...

If Josh Reddick has to go in as a bench player on any team, that ain’t good.

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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Woah?!

Josh Paul did start a legacy

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side shot!

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Ankiel doesn't like

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

His mustache is in the same font as his uniform text.

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 2, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Niemann acting as the Rays' version of Shiva, destroyer of worlds is fantastic

Bruce Chen making it to the 7th inning against the Rays is ridiculous however.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 1, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I have been pleased by Niemann's starts so far

How do you think he would fare against the Red Sox?

by plasticman on Aug 2, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Depends on if it is "early season" Niemann or "recent Niemann"

His underlying numbers, besides the homers, have fundamentally changed. He has been a far better pitcher lately. That could be due to the increased curveball usage. Hickey pitches traditionally go to the curve ball and away from the change up. Or perhaps Niemann read this board. Either way its working. The homers will eventually slightly go up. However what people need to remember that with HR/FB regression we are only talking about a couple home runs. To get a ratio with a small denominator to go up a few percentage points only requires the numerator to increase by a tad. His recent pitching would still have been good even with those couple extra homers.

by matthan on Aug 2, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's nice to come to a game when, ya know, they WIN, right?

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 2, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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