Jeff Niemann Dislikes the Royals
- Sometimes Jeff Niemann exhibits all the attributes of an extremely good pitcher and leaves you saying "Damn." Today was one of those occasions. What the Royals lack for in talent they make up for by lacking in performance. They still are major league hitters, and anytime you strike out seven of those suckers without walking a soul, it's worth applauding. Admittedly Niemann didn't draw a ton of swings and misses (about 7% today) but he generated more grounders than fly balls and looked a lot like the pitcher he was in June/July than April/May.
- Remember all of that moaning and whining I did about Niemann using his curveball more? He's done that. Check out his month splits:
| Month | FB | CV | SL | CH | K% | BB% | FIP | GB% |
| April | 73 | 7.1 | 13.6 | 0.3 | 13.3 | 11.2 | 5.97 | 34.7 |
| May | 71.5 | 10 | 15.6 | 0.2 | 13.2 | 9.3 | 5.17 | 41.1 |
| June | 73.9 | 12.3 | 12.1 | 0.4 | 13 | 10.4 | 3.26 | 40.7 |
| July | 72.4 | 14.7 | 11.5 | 0 | 19.6 | 4.1 | 2.63 | 45.8 |
Don't place too much emphasis on the FIP because his home run rate was unsustainably low these past two months, but here's the thing: everything in his control has improved. Whatever Jim Hickey has beat into his head - guessing a nice combination of words and boards - worked splendidly in July.
- Watching Miguel Olivo on a daily basis must be the most irritating and predictable task in the world. Earlier in the season I named the Royals baseball's version of Sisyphus, I think he's the catching version. Every game you can guarantee Olivo is going to A) swing at a really awful pitch out of the zone and B) let a ball bounce by him.
- I was wondering whether that triple will have a sustained affect on Pat Burrell's self interpreted speed. It will if his attempt to stretch a bloopy single into a double is any indication.
- How you know it's your day:
1. Dioner Navarro hits a home run and Pat Burrell triples
2. Carl Crawford throws someone out at home.
3. The Kansas City Royals are in town.
- Jeff Bennett with the least dramatic reliever debut of the year behind Dale Thayer's mustache; two outs, both strikeouts, a few whiffs, and a single. Good job.
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Jeff Bennett
POWER ARM.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Aug 1, 2009 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Niemann has multiple three ball counts and still allowed no walks
Im glad the Royals hitters are the Royals hitters. Their defense is also pretty entertaining.
Big wtf to Gabe Kapler.
Pat Burrell is a tease one good game, one bad.
Jeff Bennett has nice stuff, but I can see where he would walk a lot of guys. Reminds me of 07 Balfour /raymondo.
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 1, 2009 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
kap
couldn’t see the replay, but the relay just looked outstanding.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Aug 1, 2009 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Throw was good, but he should've been half way the whole time
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 1, 2009 7:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who hacked this man's account??
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Aug 1, 2009 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do I really have to make a Bartlett regression post?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
this is really not the only year
he’s had decent BA/OBP numbers
i believe ’05- or ’06 he had a 380 OBP
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it really is.
.651
.760
.699
.690
.894
Those are his MLB career OPS numbers. These are his BABIP in those years:
.277
.354
.301
.336
.386
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I do think he could sustain a decent walk rate though
if I recall correctly it showed consistent signs of improving as he matured with the Twins. That OPS is off the charts as a result of the power moreso than it is a result of an incredibly more disciplined approach (I’m willing to say last year, OBP wise, was a little bit of variance, and he is generally better at plate discipline than we give him credit for given past performance)
you can't win on here, cause they'll find any stat
to make their case
i was specifically speaking of BA/OBP, and knew full well his HR total this year boosted his OPS
But along comes RJ and the OPS numbers
Who cares, i know i was right, and so are you
You youngins and your numbers and facts and your habeas corpus.
Back in my day, we watched a game from the comfiness of our Barcalounger and declared someone sucked without ever seeing them play in person. And we didn’t need fancy numbers that tell us how good he is! We saw it with our own eyes and his batting average!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 2, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
For someone over 50 i embrace the numbers more than most
But you failed to understand my post
I was reffering strictly to BA/OBP for Bartlett and proved he had come close in those areas once before
So in swoops the mighty RJ and gives us a laundry list of his OPS years
I never mentioned those stats
Stats that take into account more information are more reliable than ones that don't.
I’m not even a math geek and I know that.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 2, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
So...you admit you're wrong.

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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are arguing two different things
While he has had a silimar OBP previously, he has never had that combined with slugging which makes him all the more marketable, and less likely to repeat.
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Then I obviously missed your point.
I thought you meant he could sustain this slugging.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He's still not going to have an OPS near .900
But if another team thinks he will, then we should cash the chip in during the off-season.
It’s not a hard concept.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Minorleaguebaseball.com is annoying
Cannot access audio because they had to mess around with it in the offseason for whatever reason.
Hello.
Go through durhambulls.com
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Victor Mateo good first inning for GCL
kid is 2-4 with a 1.14 ERA and 1.01 WHIP, I don’t think I’ve ever seen those two numbers so close to each other
Judging by the 9th inning tonight
I think Bennett will be an effective ROOGY opposite Choate/Shouse. He has a big split. He did not seem to be used effectively in ATL
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Cromer is a MAN
Bases loaded with one out—infield popout and a strikeout to get out of the jam
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That's why they call him The Strand Man
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the pitcher from Indy is looking good
the pitch that struck out Deezy was 97 on the scoreboard clock
okay i understand the premise of loogy and roogy
As same handed groundball specialists. But for the love of god can someone please tell me wnst the acronym stands for? Its driving me crazy.
by jqueipo on Aug 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lefty One Out GuY
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Handles promotions(like bobblehead nights or whatever, not player promotions) and such
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they're also in charge of hiring everybody
Like radio announcers, ticket reps, etc.
On any given day, if you think about this industry, on site I am ultimately responsible for a food service department, a stadium operations department which is maintenance and cleaning, a marketing department, a retail operation, a finance department, a sponsorship sales department, ticket sales, group sales department and a box office. I don’t think I left anybody out, but my job literally weaves in between all of these functions.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Imperialism,
A couple of questions about Lobstein and McEachern:
Where has Lobsteins command gone? All the reports from HS said he has plus command and pitchability. His other numbers are good, but I’m sorta worried about the command.
What’s McEachern’s ultimate ceiling? He reminds me of a Kevin Slowey type.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Lobstein
It’s anyone’s guess. Reports are his stuff is down somewhat, but he also hasn’t pitched since last spring, so who knows? I won’t be aggressive in ranking him highly this offseason, but this is his pro debut. I wouldn’t be too worried yet.
As for McEachern, he doesn’t have the pinpoint command of Slowey, but his stuff should be a lot better. The big reason I was high on McEachern is his projection, so I think his ultimate ceiling is pretty high. I’d really like to see the Rays start him in Bowling Green next season.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the answers
The reason I made the Slowey comp was their minor league numbers are similar, although Slowey was older and pitching at a higher level.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
It's entirely possible he develops it
But Slowey walked less than 1 per 9 innings his sophomore and junior season… you just don’t see that kind of control.
For what it’s worth, at age 19 in the NY-PL, Jeremy Hellickson struck out 11.1 per 9 and walked 1.9. McEachern, at age 18 is at 7.7 and 1.8, but I think the strikeout rate will go up(his first few starts he didn’t strike many out but he’s been better with it lately).
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Although if you factor McEachern's Princeton innings in
then his BB/9 is 1.1.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I went to B-Ref and found that out.
For the 3rd or 4th youngest player in the league, that’s pretty damn good.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
I have come to expect 7+ from Niemann
a VERY pleasant surprise he’s been
Anyway, wins record update
14 – Rolando Arrojo, Edwin Jackson, James Shields
Jeff Niemann – 10
Matt Garza – 7
Ghost of Sonny – 7
James Shields – 6
J.P Howell! – 6
Scott Kazmir – 5
David Price – 4
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Why does JP have 6 wins?
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like when Julio Mateo won 10 games as a reliever
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except Julio Mateo sucks
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How are you today, buddy?
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm great, man.
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good to hear.
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SHUT UP CHUMPY
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You......bastard
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
c-c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
All your base
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
are belong to us
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
man I screwed up that joke
Career Safeco Record: 6-1 (3 of which were started by Felix)
by .Taylor on Aug 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Works it to 3-2...
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Drills one foul
:(
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikes out swinging
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell of an AB though.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's the Royals
but damn we’re good.
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by JMB on Aug 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
to Ellisburyyyyy
that guy is good. I can’t believe we drafted Jacoby Ellsbury and never was able to sign him
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
V-Mart
0-3 with a K so far…….
we didn’t need him…..we got Riggans coming back
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
well never mind
1-4 with an RBI single and a K
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No riggans your thingans :(
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I wish the AAA Rays farm team was in Syracuse, NY
Then I’d be living the high life
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm not there. Buddy of mine is, and he's sending me photos through his iPhone.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, well they may have shown your buddy on Bulls TV, lol. Same spot as your friend, skinnyish white guy in a Rays uni.
Nah, my guy's a fat guy from NYC--Sox fan.
They’re heckling Steven Jackson at the moment.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
alot of people on MLBTR suggest that Bennett
is terrible, useless and will last on the team for 2 weeks.
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Not sure if he was worth releasing Houser for. Couldn't we atleast put him in the pen and use him as a LOOGY? :(
Houser?
He completely fell apart at AAA this year. Not unlike what happened with Mason.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Base hit between the 3B-SS hole
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, yanno what? I know people say the Red Sox have depth and blahblahblah...
If Josh Reddick has to go in as a bench player on any team, that ain’t good.
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Wade Davis tomorrow I believe
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
At 5PM, too. Glad it's after the Rays game.
by Doug09 on Aug 1, 2009 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WHY WAS I NOT TOLD ABOUT THIS MAN?

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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Woah?!
Josh Paul did start a legacy
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind. He just gave up a grand slam to Angel Pagan--0 HRs this year before that.
Great stache, though
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it happened after I posted the photo. That's not me not paying attention. That's me being a jinx.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 1, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Side shot!

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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick Ankiel doesn't like

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by Gone Phishing on Aug 1, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
His mustache is in the same font as his uniform text.
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
So Aubrey Huff just made two outstanding defensive plays
and Varitek tried to jaw at Dany Baez before being seperated by the umpire.
Jeff Niemann acting as the Rays' version of Shiva, destroyer of worlds is fantastic
Bruce Chen making it to the 7th inning against the Rays is ridiculous however.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
A junkball lefty=dominance against Rays this year
by Transplanted on Aug 1, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on if it is "early season" Niemann or "recent Niemann"
His underlying numbers, besides the homers, have fundamentally changed. He has been a far better pitcher lately. That could be due to the increased curveball usage. Hickey pitches traditionally go to the curve ball and away from the change up. Or perhaps Niemann read this board. Either way its working. The homers will eventually slightly go up. However what people need to remember that with HR/FB regression we are only talking about a couple home runs. To get a ratio with a small denominator to go up a few percentage points only requires the numerator to increase by a tad. His recent pitching would still have been good even with those couple extra homers.
It's nice to come to a game when, ya know, they WIN, right?
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