As the Rays head into the offseason, they'll face that tough decision with Crawford: trade him to add younger, cheaper assets at key positions, or hold him through 2010, then collect compensatory draft picks when he signs a highly lucrative deal in New York or Boston or Chicago or L.A. The Rays have Desmond Jennings, a 22-year-old speed demon and five-tool prospect, ready and waiting in Triple-A after tearing up Double-A pitching for most of the season. He recently started playing left field, after handling center field for much of his minor league career. Prospect mavens project Jennings to become a top-of-the-order mainstay and future star.
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Here is a question
do you still get compensatory picks if you don’t pick up an option? Also, what do you think Carl would get on the open market? If I remember correctly his option for next year is at 10mil, so what 5 year/50mil? I find it hard to believe that I team would pay him more than 12 per year.
He should be looking at a floor of 15M
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
12 per year low balling CC.
He’s worth anywhere from 16-18, and could get as much as 20 if the Yankees are feeling particularly generous.
Money for CC
Rays could use the money they’ll have after PtB’s contract expires to extend CC…what no one is considering is that in the current market and economy, CC may not make as much as everyone expects…though $15M is probably a good range, which the Rays need to spend to keep a future HoFer in house.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Aug 10, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You can decline the option then offer arbitration to get picks.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 10, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And of course declining the option in favor of arbitration would be a horrible decision since an arbitrator would likely give him 15M+ and force the team to bow out with nothing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yes, but you would need to offer arbitration
Which could defeat the purpose, since he would be due more in arbitration than he is under the team option.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think he would rather take his shot at free agency
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost under any circumstances
We’re better off picking up the option and trading him. A free supplemental first rounder (chance of making the majors around 33%, chance of making an impact at the majors closer to 5%) and a 50% chance of getting a late first round pick probably isn’t worth as much as we could get in a trade for an underpaid star player.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Excuse me - could backfire
It’s probably a reasonable gamble here though – Crawford probably stands to make more as a free agent, even next year, than he would in arbitration.
However, at the moment, Crawford is only a Type B free agent, in which case it probably wouldn’t be worth the risk.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
OT: Don't know if this has been reported on here yet
per Marc Topkin
Tampa Bay Rays Troy Percival appears likely to retire
RHP Troy Percival hasn’t made it official, but he is unlikely to pitch again according to manager Joe Maddon.
Percival hasn’t announced his retirement, but after corresponding with him last week, Maddon is under the impression that his career is over. "I think so,’’ Maddon said.
Maddon invited Percival, who’s been home in southern California since going on the DL in late May, to visit with the team during the series in Anaheim that starts Monday.
Agent Paul Cohen said Sunday no decision has been made, but that Percival has been having severe back problems and will see a specialist this week with the possibility of needing a fusion. Percival – who turned 40 Sunday – had back surgery during the offseason.
"It’s been very, very problematic,’’ Cohen said. "It’s been tough for him.’’
ABOUT TWO WEEKS TOO LATE, ASSHOLE
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
What a complete toolbag
“Let me decide to retire and get my salary off the books after the deadline, is that something you might be interested in?”
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I doubt he retires.
Hopefully he loses the money in a Madoff scheme.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 10, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to blame the guy for not retiring...
we did sign a 38 year old pitcher with a history of arm problems. It’s not like this was totally unexpected.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But team player! Leader! Veteran presence!
Moronic albatross!
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 10, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just never like to comment on what other people should do when it comes to money...
I hate when people talk about players being overpaid.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Grinch'd
Into the Wall : Sarcasm for the Soccer Guy
by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 10, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't suggesting that...
The player and team negotiated a contract in good faith. There’s nothing to suggest that Percy hasn’t attempted to fulfill his contract to the best of his ability. It seems silly to begrudge the man the money he is due. I know you weren’t suggesting that he doesn’t deserve the money, but others.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I consider it paying him to stay away.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 10, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the danger we face as a medium market team...
I doubt that Percy’s contract had as much to do with any moves we didn’t make as the quantity of prospects asked for did.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a cool t-shirt
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
good
maybe he will be at home again during another one of our playoff runs….also he was invited to join the team, it’s his damn team and we have to invite him to come out for a game??? Should have just put some cheetos and beer in the clubhouse and watched him waddle all the way to Anaheim.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 10, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
CC for Brett Wallace and Gio Gonzalez
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need another OF we are set there
I’ll take a stud 1B, though and a lefty pitcher that k’s almost 10/9. Let Professor X work on him in Durham for a minute and see if we can reform him.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's the return we get for CC, then I'm going to pout.
Heyward is the top prospect in baseball, IMO. We have to get the best players we can and sort it out later. We signed Los on a freesie. There are tons of 3TO 1Bs out there to fill that role until we develop from within.
So long, Sweet Lime!
I think you underestimate the ability of Wallace
FG ranked him the #1 prospect traded this year. He could probably use another year in AAA, but that’s when Pena leaves anyway. Gio has a .299 BAa this year with a .379 Babip, he gets 46% GB’s he just needs to cut his walks. A’s aren’t looking to take on salary, so this will never happen, but throw in a low level prospect and that is my ideal package.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't underestimate Wallace (earlier this year, I wanted to trade for him), I just like Heyward better. Wallace cant run, field, and many are down on his power ceiling.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Of course, everyone likes Heyward.
The Braves would have to eat a bunch of crazy pills to accept that trade
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Give CC, Kazmir and Joyce, then
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Well,
Give then Fat Ass then.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
His name stands for
Die On ER
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We already have Desmond Jennings
Why would you want another OF just because he is the #1 guy? His perceived value dwarfs the utility we would get from him.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is moot.
No way the Braves trade him. That’s like “we should trade for Justin Upton.” Neither are happening.
I know,
personally I’d like to see if we can get Josh Thole from the Mets.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Desmond can only cover so much outfield.
I know we bust trends (until matthan points out that we don’t) around here, but really – 1 OF is pretty risky.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Way to finally live up to your name
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. But CC is entering his prime now. You can bet on him to be a stud DTD with a far higher degree of accuracy than you can with a 20 year old.
So long, Sweet Lime!
You also have to pay him 16M vs the 400k they will have to pay Heyward
Something tells me they will take the risk of Heyward
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Super mega athleticism
One can only imagine what an Ethier-Wells-Dye outfield might look like.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This.
Hard.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Reply Error.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
OT: ATTN R.J
Do you know if sitemeter is installed on the site?
Duemig is alive, NOT FOR LONG though....
Curses
I have been getting redirected to somewhere else because of that. Apparently some tracking cookie or something.
Duemig is alive, NOT FOR LONG though....
Damn we are brutalizing last years numbers
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd hate to see CC go.
I really would. If this is the kind of play we can expect out of him for the next 4 years+, I’d really like to see a way for the team to lock him up for that length of time. I know it sounds unreasonable considering his price tag and available replacements, but he is, and I can’t say this enough, the best left-fielder in baseball right now. He’s a terror on the basepaths, probably the best basestealer in the game and the best we’ve seen since Tim Raines. And his newfound patience with the stick genuinely makes him a terror pitchers don’t want to face. We’re talking about letting a possible hall-of-famer go because he’s expensive and we have a cheaper, capable option in AAA.
If the Rays elect not to resign him, I’m not going to be angry at the team, or CC for that matter, for letting the market and team flexibility to drive his salary. Everything says that letting him go is both an easy and smart decision. But if there’s any way the two can mutually come together and keep him around into his 30s, I’d take a bullet for him the next time center field tries to ambush his knees.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Aug 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree with this statement. 100%.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Aug 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I could go so many ways with this.
Horses + Suttree = Brown noser.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Aug 10, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
As disappointing as Percival has been...
…did any of you honestly expect someone born in this country to voluntarily retire because their company would be better off if they did? People like money, Americans especially.
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Aug 10, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO HELP GREEDY NEW YORK BANKERS SAVE ANY MONEY!!??
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
It kills me to think of CC
coming back in a Yankees or even worse Red Sux uni
He'd be a world-destroyer if he ended up in the NL. If he's going to end up somewhere else, I'd like to see him with the Mets. He'd hit 10 inside-the-park homers a year.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Atlanta or Houston
Non-NY would make it much easier to continue rooting for him.
Your source for replacement level commentary
Well, he's from Houston, and they are prone to giving out huge contracts.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He was given a lifetime contract
20M for as long as he feels like playing
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Really anything this side of the Mason-Dixon line makes me happy
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
But would prefer he stayed in this region
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_states
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Ending up with the Dodgers to replace Manny makes sense
That wouldn’t be too bad to see
The Dodgers strike me as a team that is going to want power out of their corner OFers; they might steer clear of him unless he's willing to play CF.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Also, in a senario such as this, I highly doubt their the highest bidder.
There’s also a chance that the team that trades for him signs him to an extension on trade, if it’s a big-budget team.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
i dont want to imagine cc playing for someone else
even if it may be inevitable, that is going to be a very sad day
Alex Rios traded to Chisox for nada.
Between Peavy and Rios they are taking on a gang of salary.
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 10, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
They'll lose 30M after this year just from
Thome, Contreras, and Dotel and will replace them with younger better players. Dotel might be tough, he’s having an excellent season last I checked.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
damn they might be pretty damn good next year
especially if Quintin and Ramirez hit anything like they did last year.
Is this the night Edwin Jackson is being knocked down to earth?
Red Sox are jumping all over him in the 1st inning.
Thanks Ed-lose
The Tigers can’t beat the ALE (7-14). Wow after looking that up here are the 3 records of NYY, BOS, and Tam against the ALE:
26-18
28-18
23-16
respectively.
That is pretty freaking incredible and shows just how beaten down Bal and Tor have been.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah we made Toronto our whipping boys this year
we still have to do better vs the Orioles, though they caught us mostly in the early months.
Going 8-14 against the West could be our downfall
No real excuse for that.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well good old Steve Phillips is all over Brad Penny's ERA
says he is good with runners on base but still…
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