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Jason Bartlett's Trade Value

Since we were discussing this earlier I thought I would put some work in on this.  There is a messy, quick example within the Bartlett Declining Defense thread.  The first step is seeing how much value Bartlett carries beyond his contract.  Because Bartlett is an arb-eligible player for 2 more seasons he will be guaranteed to be paid less than the value he is capable of contributing.  Luckily, BTB developed a great Trade Value Calculator.  That link will take you through the whole article that I will be applying to Bartlett.  SO CHECK IT OUT.  On with the pretty pictures:

Jason Bartlett      

 


 

Year Sal (M) WAR Val (M) Net (M) Sal (M) Arb %
2010 $8.5 3.1 $14.1 $5.7   60%
2011 $11.3 3.1 $14.1 $2.8   80%
FA Picks
$2.5  

Total $19.8 6.1 $30.8 $11.0

Star-divide

Basically, if Jason Bartlett can be a 3.05 player over his last 2 years of arbitration he will be worth an extra $11,000,000 to the organization that obtains him.  This is due to out-playing his relatively paltry contract and the $2.5M that his type-B status should be worth in a draft pick. 

OK, so now we know that Bartlett is worth $11M to some interested organization.  "So what?", he says.  Well the next step is to see what that $11M is worth at the prospect level.  Luckily Victor Wang gave us a good idea HERE.  I will reproduce here to make it a little easier to see:

Top 10 hitting prospects $36.5M
Top 11-25 hitters $25.1
Top 26-50 hitters $23.4
Top 51-75 hitters $14.2
Top 76-100 hitters $12.5
Top 10 pitching prospects $15.2
Top 11-25 pitchers $15.9
Top 26-50 pitchers $15.9
Top 51-75 pitchers $12.1
Top 76-100 pitchers $9.8
Grade B pitchers (as graded by Sickels)
$7.3
Grade B hitters $5.5
Grade C pitchers 22 or younger $2.1
Grade C pitchers 23 or older $1.5
Grade C hitters 22 or younger $0.7
Grade C hitters 23 or older $0.5

So we can pick and choose some different options here.  2 Grade B hitters works out nicely.  Feel free to theorize your own possibilities.  So now we need to look at some grades to get an idea of who would be a target.  It's hard to find non-Sickel's draft grades on an ABC scale (if someone can point me in the right direction it would be much obliged) so I will list Sickel's B & B- hitters by team.  Sickels runs a site called Minor League Ball.  A search got me to THIS page.  All of these are from over the winter and were preliminary at the time.  I thought this was good, because if we trade Barty in the offseason there will be a similar list and this gives us an idea of how some of these guys have panned out.  I would have included the positions, but I didn't think to do it until I was half way through and this is already taking up too much of my time.  Here's the list:

Team B Hitter B- Hitter
ARI Gerardo Parra
BOS Josh Reddick Michael Almanzar
Ryan Westmoreland Ryan Kalish
Yamaico Navarro
Oscar Tejeda
Casey Kelly
FLA Chris Coghlan
John Raynor
DET
SD Jaff Decker Cedric Hunter
James Darnell
Allan Dykstra
STL Daryl Jones Jon Jay
SEA Greg Halman Michael Saunders
Adam Moore
Jharmidy DeJesus
Dennis Raben
PIT
LAA Hank Conger
HOU Jason Castro Brian Bogusevic
CLE Beau Mills Lonnie Chisenhall
Nick Weglarz
Carlos Rivero
LAD Ivan Dejesus, Jr. Devaris Gordon
Andrew Lambo
NYY Austin Jackson Austin Romine
SF Angel Villalona Conor Gillaspie
Nick Noonan
CWS Tyler Flowers
NYM Reese Havens
TEX Taylor Teagarden
Julio Borbon
Engel Beltre
Max Ramirez
COL Wilin Rosario
OAK Aaron Cunningham
Adrian Cardenas
Chris Carter
Jemile Weeks
Sean Doolittle
MIL Alcides Escobar Lorenzo Cain
Brett Lawrie
Jon Lucroy
Angel Salome
TOR David Cooper J.P. Arencibia
Justin Jackson
CIN Todd Frazier Drew Stubbs
Chris Valaika
Neftali Soto
CHC Ryan Flaherty Hak-Ju Lee
WAS Chris Marrero
BAL Nolan Reimold
Brandon Snyder
TB Desmond Jennings Jake Jefferies
PHI Michael Taylor Jason Donald
Travis D'Arnaud Dominic Brown
Zach Collier
ATL Tyler Flowers Gorkys Hernandez
MIN Wilson Ramos Danny Valencia
KC Kila Ka'aihue Johnny Giavotella

 

Some of these names may be familiar to you and a lot probably won't.  Most of these guys won't ever even be average Major Leaguers, but the point is to find comparable value and then work from there.  This is what I've got for now, but we should revisit it sometime in the offseason and definitely when next years prospect list comes out.

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Wonderful work.

Nice presentation, too. You get an A+!

Hope you don’t get molested by your step father when you get home.

by Suttree on Aug 11, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks buddy

I worked really hard on this, I think I’m gonna put it on your mom’s fridge when I get done excavating that Large Hardon Collapser she calls a vag tonight.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Collider

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 11, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hadron as well, but one look at that seahag and your hardon would collapse too

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW 1 Evan Longoria is worth 4 top 10 hitting prospects

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this is last years list

And of course this isn’t a real life thing, but imagine getting Michel Tayor AND Dominic Brown types for a MVB.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Aug 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Why wait?

Let’s trade Longoria now. Can his value be much higher?

And next season, how about Price?

I’, sure there is some 18 yo HS phenom out there who can win games in the ALE

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bryce Harper, Strasburg, Both Zimmerman's, and JD Martin for Longo

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way I know Jordan had TJS

We’re playing for 2018 babyyyy

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shades of Gray

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just ran it actually, if you consider him Type A, will make 10M before escalators, and peg him at 4.5 WAR next year

You are looking at a surplus of $15.7M. Not a ton of difference from Barty since you are getting 2 years at arb value with JB and only the 1 season out of Craw. Refer to the chart and see what you can get out of that

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading away Bartlett and Crawford and whoever else

is making a very big assumption that none of you can say w/o reservation. That is players like Brignac, Joyce and Jennings will be AS productive in their roles. This is what i seriously doubt

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice to sign the guys we drafted

I’m for trading Bartlett and Pena, let’s be clear about that. My hope is that we can get Craw on a 3/40 type deal with the hometown discount.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

13.33 per seems like a nice hometown discount.

In another thread, pretty much everyone agreed he’d bring in 15-18 per year in FA.

by Marky Mark's Third Nipple on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I have assumed his floor is 15, but like I said my hope is to get him to a deal like this, while clearing payroll via Kaz or Pena. Bartlett is a great sell-high opportunity, I would jump all over that.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

Cept I wear plaid shorts

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 11, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not trading away Bartlett and Crawford and whoever else

is making a very big assumption that none of you can say w/o reservation. That is that fans like Raymondo, suttrree, and freezorilla will foot the bill to play these players.

by rglass44 on Aug 11, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20ish

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OLNEY: Rays to take Upton offers?

ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney notes in a post today that talent evaluators have told him they’re convinced the Rays will take trade offers on B.J. Upton this winter.

Yesterday, we noted that Upton remains unhappy with Joe Maddon’s decision to drop him down in the Rays’ batting order, the St. Petersburg Tribune reported yesterday.

Once the leadoff hitter, Upton was dropped to seventh last week and now is ninth.

“It’s almost like a kick in the face,” Upton said.

Buster Olney’s Take – Upton’s actions forcing the issue

“Upton is incredibly talented and has the talent to be a Gold Glove center fielder, but he has regressed offensively, and the fact that he griped about his place in the lineup when he’s been batting under .250 the whole year doesn’t speak well of his personal accountability.”

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

blah blah blah

The NESN mouthpiece can’t keep his mouth shut. Theo might get mad.

by rglass44 on Aug 11, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see another hack taking a quote out of context

Olney is the king of throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks, sweeping the piles under the rug while bragging about his conquests.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Mortenson of MLB

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 11, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10:15 Umm I'm reporting that player x is going to y team

10:30 That report from earlier was in error. Actually, player z is going to team a
10:45 Sorry about that folks actually player x is going to team a
11:00 GD this Twitter bullshit cocksucker, oh I’m on well all I’ve got for you is that player z just bought team y
11:30 ::Gun in Mouth:: YOU PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE I’M UNDER, THERE ARE 400 OTHER HACKS AS BAD AS ME OUT THERE MAKING SHIT UP TOO, WHAT IF THEY’RE RIGHT FIRST, EVERYTHING WAS SO MUCH EASIER BEFORE THE INTERNET AND PEOPLE COULD CALL ME ON MY BULLSH…
12:00 ::Chris Berman walks by carrying a 6 foot sub for himself:: Hey Mort looks like you had a little accident eh there buddy?

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol Upton's actions forcing the issue

Also the M’s listened to offers about Felix, sure the answer was no, but its a GM’s job to listen.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Aug 11, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Upton is having a miserable year

If he repeats it in ‘10, we’ll be looking for a CFer

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHUT UP

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST SHUT UP

by rglass44 on Aug 11, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want this, don't you?

The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Banhammer. Use it. Raymondo is unarmed. Strike him down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more his servant.

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In three years we'll be able to conclude

whether ’09 was a fluke or the norm

So far what we hoped for has happened but once

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm speaking of his offense

and i nor most baseball fans don’t understand what +15 runs means

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

k

2007 136 OPS+
2008 107 OPS+

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess our debate is '08

after what we’ve viewed this year, we’d gift wrap ’08 stats for the next 10

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our debate is you have double standards.

For Bartlett, you hate on us for saying he’s not this good. For B.J., he HAS to be this bad in your eyes despite the past saying otherwise.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHY DO YOU CARE.

Is he paying for server costs or some shit? Have you never used the internet before meeting Raymondo?

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 11, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

megarec

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 11, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe i'm imagining all this

but i feel this blog has it’s favorite players, and fund some stats to defend thir play when challenged

Upton, Sonnanstine, Gross for a few examples

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be true.

The point, though, is we use the same stats for everyone. We don’t change the measure to fit the argument.

by rglass44 on Aug 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See i don't want to be lumped into 'most fans'

i don’t read the newspaper or listen much to talk sjows, cause i feel i’m way above them, but i also can call it like it is

Barty is having a great OFFENSIVE year—done deal

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upton had two great offensive years

Done deal.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Aug 11, 2009 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

No

08 was not a great offensive year. it was slightly above average

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 11, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

glassman, i like stats myself, and i'm totally blown away with

RJ and his insight into the game, but being honest woth so many stats he has at his finger tips, he can always find one, which when standing alone can defend his position

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said Upton's terrible right now.

I was clearly wrong when I said he’s back in June. I don’t know what’s going on but I’m more frustrated with his expanding of the zone than anyone else is.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are imagining things.

Stop accusing me of being biased when it comes to numbers.

I have favorite players. I’m a fan. I own a Upton jersey and not a Longoria one, that doesn’t mean I’d rather trade Longoria. It also doesn’t mean I think Upton is > Longoria.

Of course, Upton has the same WAR as our “team MVP” last year and he gets treated like absolute horseshit by the media. So yes, I’m a bit defensive because of it.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point R.J.

you are too old to be wearing jerseys

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 11, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that is a valid point

as Rome once said noone over 12 yo should wear a player’s jersey

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 11, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you let the media influence your opinion of Upton?

Why does it make you defensive if the media treats Upton poorly?

I used to be a big Upton fan. He’s lost me this year. And it has NOTHING to do with the media.

His performance currently sucks. He is near worthless with the bat right now. Will he ever recover? Who knows. Probably, I suppose, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon. And his attitude has deteriorated as well. Forget the “kick in the face” quote. He’s quite obviously not smart and often says things that are not smart. Big deal. But when you watch him on TV, during the games, it doesn’t look like he cares anymore. Not like he did during the playoff run last year or the playoffs themselves. And there was a shot during the 9th inning last night that captured the essence of BJ Upton circa right now. Rays are down 1, trying to tie the game, and there’s BJ, sitting on the bench, staring away from home plate, arms crossed, with a look on his face that struck me as somewhere between boredom and disdain.

by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B.J. Upton doesn't care.

But he was a 5 win player with a torn labrum last year.

Okay, right.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue at hand.

You will never agree to a definition of success or failure. You let the terms be as ambiguous as your arguments. then you have no accountability. No wonder you find a soul brother in Buster Olney.

by rglass44 on Aug 11, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tru dat

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 11, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way i trade Jason Bartlett is if

Matt Joyce has a twin brother playong baseball somewhere

by Raymondo on Aug 11, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good article and great research

I just think the application of it really differs across teams. Teams with less financial constraints with more “win now” attitudes are going to drive the present value of talent up. Teams such as the Rays and the A’s have to follow guidelines like this. However not when trading players. When we trade players the real market value is going to be far higher. When we acquire players the real market value is going to be higher than this list. This could perhaps be a reason why we fail to acquire big names. We know their worth to a team like ourselves. A bigger market team doesn’t operate by the same parameters.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 11, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also I'd prefer to have a better defense

Defense is cheaper to find. We can get close to the same 2009 Bartlett production by finding a better defensive player that hits less. That player will be far far far less expensive.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 11, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahem Briggy cough

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this basically mean...

That with the excess value he is expected to generate (if we keep him) we can buy two B Hitters? Or put another way, if we trade him, said team can take his value and pay two B Hitters?

Or am I missing the boat?

by wtbudlight on Aug 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Read Wang's research

Basically, the average B hitter prospect will contribute 5.5 million dollars of value. This includes the busts and the superstars alike so it does take into account risk/reward. Victor is an incredibly smart guy and he can say it much better than I. It also takes into account the fact that a hitter is more likely to be worth something someday as evidenced by the higher dollar signs on a batter per pitcher basis.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I noticed with Sickels is that he rates catchers really high. SS as well. I should have included positions because

as I went through it seemed like catchers were almost 50-50 compared to everyone else.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you get a guide to all

the stats you use so we can understand better. I want to understand your stories and graphs, but am having some trouble with terminology such as WAR, RAR. I went to fangraphs, I see stats, but where is explanation on how they get these stats and how they measure them. Alot of us love baseball and are used to traditional stats and common sense baseball, but are open to the new math, just need help to find it explained. Thanks

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 11, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a stats guide on the left side of the main page.

That is a great start. That and google helps me find the sites that develop/track/use the stats.

by wtbudlight on Aug 11, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, I'll be looking at this stuff the next few days tryign to grasp it better

Upton looks really bad this year overall to me as a fan watching the game, and your articles make me want to understand how you value him. If it shows value, and it works, then I’m all ears to grasp it. We’re all used to the way it has been, but if math stats actually prove BJ more valuable to the Rays even if he struck out every time up, and they show validity, then I respect it. I think most people are mad at BJ because he APPEARS lazy and lacking hustle. Bartlett APPEARS to hustle all the time, so maybe that is why people don’t gauge these stats properly. Thanks for the information. You all here obviously put alot of effort into this page, and that is appreciated

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 11, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for not being afraid to ask

None of this is perfect, but it is much better than the alternative and in the proper context paints a great picture.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have any sites

that detail the terminology, that would be great. I searched google a bit, couldn’t find real good details, but I’ll keep looking. The terminology and how it is defined, are what I’m looking for so I can understand the articles better. Fangraphs had a glossary, but it seemed limited to only a few of the terms. RJ uses the WAR alot, and I have no clue how that is determined. Thanks again

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 11, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's in there, you didn't think it was easy did you?

A lot of stuff is actually on wikipedia. You can check out thehardballtimes or statcorner’s glossary is pretty good. If you have any questions, I’d be happy to answer what I can.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Sandy,

Starting to agree with some of this new math more and more daily, it just actually makes sense in alot of cases, common sense still alot of the game, but the new math sure does help in making some of these decisions. Starting to grasp it….seen too many things that keep matching up like they should with the math..crazy, never realized it before this year reading all these charts

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 21, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So judging by the comments this must have been a pretty shitty article.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still like the idea of trying to work a deal around Coghlan in Florida

let Zobrist play RF and Coghlan 2B next season with Briggy at SS.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 11, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Hanley didn't show across the board defensive improvements they might even take you up on that

As is he’s a slightly above-average SS that absolutely rakes. He could potentially be the most valuable guy in baseball, leaving cost out.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aren't they looking to trade him this off-season for the same reasons we are looking to move C.C.

I could be wrong but I thought I heard that. If they trade Hanley, Bartlett would be a decent cheaper option which would allow them to still be able to compete.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or they could spend the 30M they are handed in Revenue Sharing.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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