8/11 GDT: Tampa Bay Rays @ Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Hey look! White people who are veterans get angry too!
MOYER IS LAZY AND A CANCER TO HIS TEAM!!!!
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 11, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Turn on the radio
I bet Duemig is discussing how lucky his team is that he didn’t agree to a long term contract and he can’t wait until he is gone!!!!!
Oh wait….that wasn’t Upton
Bryce Harper on E:60
Hit a 502 ft bomb off the back wall of Tropicana Field. Can we trade CC for Bryce after he enters the draft? He’s a catcher! Big big upgrade!
Yes, that makes perfect sense.
A Nevada high school catcher who can hit long home runs in batting practice is a big big upgrade over Carl Crawford in the prime of his career.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
1 year vs 6 years.
Not that I agree.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Alternate question
Would you trade CC for Mauer or Wieters as prospects?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
If you mean CC now for Mauer or Wieters now . . .
Then that would be a deal worth considering. But if you mean CC now for Mauer or Wieters when they were just prospects, no. Because most prospects do not turn into superstars, no matter how highly touted they were as prospects. And CC is already a superstar. So since I do not accept the premise that the Rays cannot afford to keep CC, I would not trade him for a prospect.
The Rays may still do it anyway, but if I were in charge, I would not.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 10 Hitting Prospects, based on research, are worth about 35~ mil.
CC figures to be worth less next year, and the drop off from him to joyce isn’t THAT great.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Why?
Serious question, non-snark. Take me through your analysis of why you think that deal makes sense for the Rays.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
1 year of CC versus 6 of a top catching prospect?
CC can get gonzo money on the open market, we’re not signing him.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
We've already discussed this.
We disagree. And we’re disagreeing about whether or not someone else will do something neither of us has control over. Which means we’re speculating.
So let’s move along.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Your argument is far more outlandish than everyone that disagrees with you, which is everyone.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you think it outlandish
That the Rays can afford a payroll commensurate with big-market teams like Minnesota, Kansas City, Milwaukee, etc.?
Contenders don’t deal stars for prospects. Rebuilders deal stars for prospects. I don’t think we should be in a rebuilding mode right now.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading one player != rebuilding mode.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You misunderstand.
Or you are deliberately twisting. I hope it’s the former.
You trade a star for prospects when you are in rebuilding mode. Not that trading a star means that you are in rebuilding mode.
But if you’re not in rebuilding mode, it does not make sense to trade an established star for prospects.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does.
Look at the A’s trade of Mark Mulder. That made absolute sense.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a terrible example.
Mulder was ridiculously overrated and the A’s found a sucker to overpay for him.
Not fairly comparable to CC. At all.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The White Sox trading Javi Vazquez
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does. Were the braves going into rebuilding mode when they traded Tex?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Yes.
Or did I miss all of their playoff appearances since then?
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
....
This was last July.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well coming into the year we were spending 2M less than Min, 9M less than KC, and 15M less
than Milwaukee (who’s budget will be spiraling up with Prince hitting arb among others). Your argument is flawed at it’s base so now you have changed the subject to owners. Let’s go back to your awesome idea that CC for one year (or the next 4) is a better proposition than Posey, or at least admit you were talking out of your ass.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it obvious?
Posey gives you six years of team control for basically one of Carl. Obviously the Type-A picks matter, but if you feel Posey is capable of sticking at catcher and being above average, why wouldn’t you make the deal?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Team control doesn't win games.
Production wins games. CC is a very productive major leaguer right now. Posey may, perhaps, someday become a productive major leaguer. He may even be above average. Then again, maybe he won’t be.
I’d say the better question is: 3 years of proven All-Star caliber performance vs. an x% chance of 6 years of MLB performance of some unknown caliber.
Given that the Rays should be in a contending mode and not a rebuilding mode, I’ll take the proven commodity.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, 3 years
That’s how much longer I expect CC to play at this level. And that’s how long I’d advocate signing him for.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree on a 3 year contract if we were to do it
It would have to be in the 3/40s for me to see it worthwhile.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought team control won games.
How silly of me to think that Joyce/Jennings + Posey was > Crawford + Navarro/Zaun.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It may very well be
A few years from now. Then again, they may never combine to be better than CC + Navi/Zaun.
When you’re a contender, you don’t make that gamble. It’s silly.
UNLESS you accept that they truly cannot afford CC. Then I would concede that your argument is valid.
But I won’t accept that premise, because I think they are lying. And I think this because baseball owners have proven throughout history that when it comes to money, they always lie.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if they're lying or not.
I can’t prove it and it won’t change. I accept it and deal within the restraints.
We can sit around all day bitching about the owners, it’s not going to change a thing, so why waste time?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Hence my comment above about moving on.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take Posey thanks
Even if we had the money to sign Craw I doubt we tied up 25% of our payroll on one guy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Posey is on a Longoria-esque path
In his second year of professional baseball he has an OPS of .917 at AAA and from all accounts calls a great game. Would you rather have CC for one year or Longoria for 6. Or Braun. Or Lincecum. Or any of the legit can’t miss prospects that are just biding their time in the minors so that they can play everyday.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
For every Longoria
There’s an Andy Marte. And a Delmon Young. And a Brien Taylor. And an Andy Van Poppel.
Can’t miss prospects miss more often than you appear to believe. And miss is not limited to complete flame out. If you acquire a prospect expecting the next Longoria, and you get a MLB-average player, that’s a miss.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB average players are pretty valuable.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
In his example he says you acquire them as a prospect.
So I’m assuming ~minimum.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My point
Is that if you trade Crawford for 6 years of a cost-controlled MLB-average player, your organization comes out behind.
Because cost-controlled MLB-average players simply aren’t THAT hard to find.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
6 years of Gabe Gross is better than 1 of crawford.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
This is way off
You can’t think of it this way. Plugging in a Gabe Gross player is EXTREMELY easy. So in reality it is Crawford for 1 year + 5 years of a Gabe Gross player or 6 years of a Gabe Gross player. You just can’t imagine that the Rays play a man short 5 of the 6 years while Gross is playing.
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And of course the prospects gotten for CC
In both the trade scenario and the walk scenario.
Of course everything needs to be present valued.
Either way it is a futile exercise unless we know the real constraints of the team and how they value the market as well as what their goals are. Every single “scenario” someone says is best requires that they make a very strong assumption
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by matthan on Aug 11, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Now I’m going to watch the game on a real TV rather than my computer.
Peace all. Enjoyed the discussion.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Posey will be average for one year and then go on
Being an average catcher alone is worth an above average LF. If we had an average catcher right now we would be leading the WC
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't necessarily come out behind
For one, you won’t know that for years down the road, and is it better to go into the last year of a deal with nothing to show for it, or to secure talent that can be useful and controlled in future years?
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You realize that Delmon's best OPS in AAA was .814, right?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Posey has been in AAA
For a few weeks. Sample size used to be a concept stat-based analysts took seriously.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sorry, running a .967 OPS at A+ before skipping AA makes your argument look better.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Apples to apples
What were Delmon’s OPS in A and AA?
And again, for Posey, sample size. You’re drawing big conclusions off of a very small sample. There’s danger there.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
.336/.386/.586 in AA for Delmon
That walk rate looks ugly.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
SSS is a concern
until you have a p-value of .7 or better.
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If it was the other way would you still be bringing up sample size
Small sample or not I’d rather see the guy putting up a .917 OPS than a .640
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I'm no Posey basher
I own him in several fantasy leagues, he has a local connection (FSU), I’m pulling hard for the guy.
But he’s simply not a lead pipe lock for stardom as the group here seems to think.
No one is.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone said that? Let me quote myself
Top 10 Hitting Prospects, based on research, are worth about 35~ mil.
CC figures to be worth less next year, and the drop off from him to joyce isn’t THAT great.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
And CC's knee could blow out tomorrow and be worthless for the rest of his life
I’d give him an 95% chance of being average, 75 of being above-average, and 50 of being a superstar. He’s a catcher, the second most important person on the baseball diamond
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Marte was a good prospect, but he was no Posey
You seriously can’t underestimate him that hard can you?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Marte was the consensus #1 prospect in all of baseball for two years. Posey isn’t even #1 now, nor will he likely be next year.
The problem with prospecting is that everyone only seems to see the upside.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
At his highest he was #9. Please try again later.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Only if BA is the Bible
Sickels had him #1, as did Prospectus.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
John Sickels compared him to Adrian beltre.
Are you high?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I don't understand your point.
How does Sickels’ comparison make ME high?
I’m not endorsing it or agreeing with it, simply citing it. Prospecting is a VERY VERY inexact science. Marte is a very strong data point in support of that conclusion.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Adrian beltre is not exactly what a top 10 prospect should be
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I agree
But he too was a top prospect. So basically you are proving my point.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't comparing to Beltre as a prospect
Listen, here’s the facts:
Average Hitting Prospect: 35 mil over his first 6
CC next year is less than that
If you can make that deal, you do it.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
But
What about CC’s next 6 years? Isn’t that the relevant comparison?
If CC>prospect for the first 3, and prospect>CC for the second 3, and the Rays are in position to win NOW, why would you make the deal?
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping in mind
Of course that you can trade CC at any point during those first 3 years in all likelihood for that year’s Posey.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't sign him for 6 years, he's only signed for 1 more.
That’s how its relevant.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
We CAN
You just don’t think we WILL.
There is a difference, whether you choose to accept it or not.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No we can't
Not only do we not have the financial ability, but it sets a dangerous precedent to our other up and coming guys that we would prefer to buy out arb and extend through free agency
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an assumption
It may be right, but we don’t really know.
Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks
Everything involves an assumption
Everything. I base mine on what has been stated and what I’ve seen.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you are wrong
I actually agree with it for the most part. Although I do think the Rays give a bit more mixed signals than what the majority here. I think the fact that we way overpay for our bullpen is a huge blemish and makes me think they have more of a “win now” attitude than what we think.
And before anyone posts I’m talking about bullpen acquisitions that caused us to spend money that didn’t return the correct value. Cumulatively if we just used Dale Thayer types instead we perhaps would have had enough dough to get a Cliff Lee
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I think they don't mind to overspend on
the pen when it comes to 1-2 year contracts. Wheeler is the outlier and they were looking at him as being a bullpen ace for the duration of the contract. He has been at times, but not nearly consistent enough.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking more about the Springers/Bradfords/etcs
The pre-season guys not as much. Although honestly I think those weren’t really needed. The money could have been better spent elsewhere.
I don’t think the contracts themselves were bad (the ones we signed or acquired), but I do think we would have gotten better value with those dollars elsewhere.
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Sure, but what's the easiest
thing to throw money at where if a guy fails a couple of times you can just cut him? That’s my thought on their thinking at least.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the Rays haven't really shown a willingness to eat contracts
But even still, wouldn’t we be better off looking at very cheap relievers and cutting the worst rather than throwing quasi expensive ones in there and being stuck with some (at least their contracts)?
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I imagine you are referring to
Springer? Not sure there I think they are worried about burning guys out, but don’t want the quality to fall off. Just a guess.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
All of them
I want the bullpen to be ultra cheap. Very young guys or guys very close to the minimum. Throw a bunch of shit at walls and see what sticks. The bigger the contracts are the more shit you are stuck with that doesn’t stick as well as cutting off financial flexibility.
I’m talking Springer, Wheeler, Bradford, Percival, Nelson, Shouse etc. I’d rather find Balfours, Abreus, Thayers, Cormiers etc. Plus we could use a guy like Talbot etc
Retain the super awesome guys (say Howell) and then just have extreme turnovers right the rest. Take the savings and apply it elsewhere
Basically I just don’t see the difference between the costly relievers and the super cheap relievers worth the loss of money. The difference in the upgrade in another position would give us greater value
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I agree wholeheartedly
That’s why we invited 40+ guys to ST. We’ll see once Wheeler/Bradford run out what they do going forward.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever
You don’t know (and neither do I) about the financial ability.
As for precedent, yes. We’re telling our up and comers that if they put up 7 years like CC’s first 7, we’ll pay them market value to stay and play for us through the rest of their expected prime.
I don’t hate that precedent.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the precendent argument is pretty weak
At the core of their argument is that the Rays should do whats best for the team. I actually agree with that. However within that goal we could conceivably come up with a scenario where resigning our guys (post arb or contract) fits the bill
I don’t think this is that type of situation. I think CCs value is greater than his talent. I don’t think he is this good of a hitter and the stolen bases are a big fluke.
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And nobody wanted Marte
He played 3rd base and shuttled around the low minors. If he was the #1 spect than it was a shallow year.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't seem to know what you're talking about
With regard to Andy Marte’s minor league career. You have third base correct. Other than that, you’re engaging in revisionist history.
The fact remains that even using BA he was a Top 10 Prospect. And so far he is an unmitigated disaster.
And he’s far from the only one.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
3B is an easily filled position, I’m done arguing with you. Peace
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyce + Posey > Navi + C.C.
and that might just be next year, tack on 5 more years of Posey and I’ll take it.
While you're at it . . .
Can you get me tomorrow’s Powerball numbers?
I mean, since you are so confident about knowing the future and all.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you know C.C. isn't going to pull a BJ next year
nobody knows exactly what happens, but if you study enough you get a good idea of what the most likely outcome is going to be.
Exactly
I don’t know. But the longer a track record, the more accurately you can predict the next season’s performance.
That’s why I believe we can predict CC’s next 3 years with more accuracy than Posey’s next 6.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem though is if we resign C.C.
we will have to dump Pena, Kaz, Bartlett, and won’t have much left for pending FA’s so most of those positions will be filled by prospects. So basically instead of hoping 1 prospect who 98% of the people who know baseball think will be great turns out to be at least league average. The Rays will have 1 above average LF and hoping on prospects at 1B, SS, and SP.
I do think Joyce is highly overrated
But on the CC and Navi side you can’t just act like the roster spot becomes a black hole after a year.
Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks
Other examples, just from 2005
Casey Kotchman
Ian Stewart
Delmon Young
Joel Guzman
All in the BA top 10. All have failed to reach potential. Only 3 of 4 ever even became MLB regulars, and 1 has only a tenuous grasp on even that status right now.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said that's an incredibly light year
Posey was rated behind Weiters, Price, and that Braves OF, that seems like a better class to me, no?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Shaq
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
?!?
How the hell do you think you know . . . NOW . . . how strong that class is? “That Braves OF” (Heyward, BTW) has proven nothing in MLB. Wieters and Price are struggling but have shown flashes. And yet both may yet fail. We don’t know yet.
In 2005, you don’t think an analyst like yourself was touting the strength of that class (which included Mauer, Felix Hernandez, Kazmir, and Prince Fielder, BTW)?
Come on, let’s be honest here.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
out of curiousity what do you suggest we do with Kazmir, Pena, and Bartlett
because if we trade them it will be for prospects
Trade them for prospects
I don’t think their market value remotely approaches CC’s value, nor do I think their expected future production comes close to CC’s.
Possibly except Kazmir, if one believes he will return to his prior All-Star level. But I don’t expect that to happen.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said I was an analyst
I like how you pick an indefensible topic and then when confronted with evidence of any sort brush it off. Yes prospects flame out, yes some are average, yes some go on to be superstars. It’s not like Posey was a HS guy that raked against 18 year olds, he was a great player in college and has maintained that level while skipping levels in the minors. There is no such thing as a sure thing, but if you don’t see him becoming an everyday player, than I don’t know what to tell you. I appreciate you not spouting quips like a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, but we won’t be able to resign CC so the point is moot. If that were an option then great, but it isn’t so we have to go with the less than ideal option
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
When have I “brushed off” presentation of evidence?
When have I said I don’t see Posey becoming an everyday player?
Let’s stick to the facts, OK?
And as for the term “analyst” I guess I interpreted what you are doing here as analyzing the facts. My bad.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't consider my analyst any more than I would hope you do
Disagree if you will, but in 411 AB’s at 4 levels of the minors he has a line of .321/.414/.547/.961 with a BB:K of 1.03 and has thrown out 43% of his basestealers. Bring more to the table than prospects fail so Posey will fail.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
God I wish we got Posey
I really really really wanted him over Beckham. Now if you want to talk about a potential flame out…thats one. I don’t think he will, but it was most definitely a very bad pick. Posey has a higher ceiling (and I think he did at the time of the draft) as well as a higher probability of becoming great (as well as good).
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6 years of Posey playing a more demanding position vastly outweighs 1 year of Craw being the best
at an easily replaceable opinion. Not sure if you watch the games, but the secrets out and if Craw doesn’t get it in his mitt out of the air they’re taking extra bases left and right.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't accept your premise.
I believe the Rays should keep CC beyond next year.
And Harper may never make it to MLB, making the “6 years” illusory.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
...And with that money are we going to be making THAT fantasy happen with.
And Hitting prospects flame out FAR less than pitching prospects.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The money the Rays have, and should spend on payroll
I simply do not believe them when they say they cannot afford it. Baseball accounting is so easily manipulated, and baseball owners so consistently dishonest about finances, that I believe absolutely nothing any MLB ownership group tells the public about what it can, and cannot, afford.
As for prospects, you are correct. But both flame out more often than established stars in the prime of their careers.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But these are rich, NY bankers
If we can’t trust them, well then, the system is too far beyond repair.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
CC's going to be pushing 30. Once his D goes thats pretty much it
And really? Why wouldn’t the rays have put together a monster offer for Lee if that were the case?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
4 game suspension please
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Aug 11, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Porcello is 19 years old.
Pick on someone his own age
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the MLB network
The analysis isn’t horrible (ESPN) and I like when they go live to game situations
I like that they don't yell at me or say boo yah
The ratio of stupidity to sense is comparatively off the charts for ESPN
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I forget about Harold Reynolds sometimes...
as my best friend sarcastically says “MLB NETWORK….AND YOU GET TO LISTEN TO HAROLD REYNOLDS!!”
MLB Network covering Percival...
Meeting team today…they say he may go ahead and retire!!!!
I LOVE MLB NETWORK
Dear Rays
please win and come home. I’m tired of losing and tired of late games.
Kthxbye
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Percy told MLBN that he had made his decision 3 weeks ago, but wanted to be absolutely sure.
Fuck him. Fuck him and his millions and his 40 year old back. 3 weeks ago. Fuck him.
God damn it, Grinch. Just fucking retire already.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
Porcello for ROY on the basis of throwing youkilis to the ground
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Aki to Durham on Friday. Wheeeee!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
so if you guys had a pick of who you hate more would you pick the sox or yanks
I would say the Sox. I cant stand any of them to be honest.
Pedroia. Youkilis. Beckett. Varitek.
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Fapelbon
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
...Why would you masturbate to him. He's not that handsome. Plus, he's a douchenozzle.
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Because when he celebrates he looks like a masturbating monkey
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Case in point
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
....Most monkeys' dongs aren't at their nipples
+1 Nightmare Fuel
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
yeah get a picture of when its down lower
because it goes that low in his motion
So you're the monkey suttree?
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b&
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i dont like ANY of the red sox
i just tried to think of one and i couldnt. Although, Lowrie isnt so bad, probably because hes terrible so hes acceptable
although damon and his 20 right fielder homers at yankee stadium
really bother me too
What about Rocco?
He’ s still a Ray at heart, or at least in the back of my mind. I just get a dirty feeling all over seeing him in a Red Sox uniform.
hes a trader
its like damon going to the yanks.
I think the general consensus here would be the Massholes.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees
Not even close.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
WHEEEEE!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
HAHAHAHAH YESSS
where did you find that so fast?
It looks like he's going to headbutt him Mark Coleman Style.
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Porcello is not to be trifled with ya stupid fuck
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i know that since im a cards fan that their viva el birdos site gets a lot of attention but
they suck at write ups and articles
Welp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOiUV3xNlOI
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by P Brady on Aug 11, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Did Edwin do something significant in that fight?
On that youtube a bunch of people are mentioning how he did something off-camera.
by digs the long ball on Aug 11, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
He wouldn't cool off
he kept going after someone, had to be restrained by several people. That’s all I saw
LINEUPS! (Same bottom 4 as last night that went 1 for 15 *ugh*)
Bartlett ss
Crawford lf
Longoria 3b
Zobrist rf
Pena 1b
Burrell dh
Aybar 2b
Zaun c
Upton cf
Figgins 3b
Izturis ss
Abreu rf
Guerrero dh
Rivera lf
Morales 1b
Kendrick 2b
Mathis c
Willits cf
Batting cage in his house
That’s gritty
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
usually I don't pay attention to youtube comments but this was great.
Porcello = Pedro
Youk = Don Zimmer
Uh you need to pay more attention because some are hilarious like on "Good Morning" video by Kanye
Bunny is cute and has a nice rack
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Youkoulis lost twice, first of all he got tossed around like a b!tch
Secondly, he’ll probably be suspended for 10 games and the red sox won’t make the playoffs.
So he’s A. a stupid looking biker homo, and B. got tossed around like a B!tch by a 20 year old skinny kid
He should probably just kill himself
Biker homo just about sums it up
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Working on the .gif of the judo throw
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
If you don't have The Book yet...
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/number_one/
It’s time to jump on the bandwagon.
If I was going to get a second book in order to get free shipping what would you recommend
I’ve read a few Bill James and that’s really about it.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheaters Guide by Zumsteg.
It’s not statty one bit, but I very much enjoyed it.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
When is Perez going to start with Durham?
Deezy CF
Aki 2B
Brignac SS
Joyce RF
Ruggiano DH
Hughes 1B
Jaso C
Johnson 3B
Perez LF
is going to be a pretty stacked line-up for AAA and if Perez doesn’t get there soon enough Ruggiano in LF and Richard at DH is not much worse.
I don't know if the brawl fired them up but I think it was 3-0 Detroit at the time
now its 6-3 Boston. I’m sure Porcello got tossed and that didn’t help.
Fernando Perez singles on a line drive to left fielder Seth Williams.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
With Shawn O'Malley batting, Fernando Perez steals (1) 2nd base.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The Fabulous Mr. Bortnick is 1-4 with two steals.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Getting a better version, but still amazing
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Because he just posted it
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
STFD fatboy
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad the 2nd basemen couldn't have go to Youk a second earlier
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That's at least 6 games for Youk, right?
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 11, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Rays make the playoffs, Porcello gets a share
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 11, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can the nerds stop fighting up there? My Z-button is getting a workout
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
YOU'RE THE NERD, NERD
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
youre the nerd
nerd
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
# NoYoureATowel Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
I wonder if Olivo will break his record this year:
He has 93 Ks and 8 BBs…
Which does he reach first?
The drama is killing me!
by walkoffwalk on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly better video
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Who?
Who is the guy who comes flying into the picture just before Youkilis reaches Porcello, but misses entirely? That’s kinda funny.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Aug 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be Placido "Big Fucking Head" Polanco.
I think he played for the Lions
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
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You will be pleased to know that I found the R^2 on walk and ball% before jumping to conclusions.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
P-values
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Being 2nd is better than not doing it at all
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...a lower r-squared
But okay. Actually if I recall you simply just put out comps and said Price should walk less.
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I listed the R-Squared as well.
But yes, I showed comps rather than math.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody Rogers: 323/.383/.568 in 127 AB
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Needs more runz
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a noon game for them, which seems odd.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
West coast
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
3:35 local
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY TOMMY LOOKS LIKE YOUR ARTICLE WAS DUMB LOL
Selgy
by mittens on Aug 11, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You were saying something about Barty Range?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT MVB'S RANGE, PLEASE DO MORE ARTICLES ON THE BLACK FOLK BEING CANCERS
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Herp'd
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also MVB haters, go get some valtrex
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YOU THINK I WON'T BAN YOU, YOU FUCK?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm more exited in the 19-7 K/B while averaging over 94 and hitting 97 on the fastball
Price hasn’t been doing that
I'm more exited in the 19-7 K/B while averaging over 94 and hitting 97 on the fastball
Price hasn’t been doing that
He got warned
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Draysbay has its favorites
Like Upton, R.J Anderson, Sonnanstine, Sandy Kazmir, Bj Upton, Gabe Gross
And yes I’m being sarcastic
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He isn't black enough and he isn't white enough
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Maddon is just slow to react sometimes
At least he is doing something. He is doing it halfway. The best lineup is really Pena/Aybar/Gross vs righties and Burrell/Aybar/Kapler vs lefties
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was it the thought that we could resign C.C. or that SF would trade Posey
I’m not sure which is more likely
come on cut him some slack
it’s not like he busted out rim job anderson
by Dbullsfan on Aug 11, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would involve being DFA.
I’m sure someone would love to take him off our hands.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy the soothing palms of an African American too!
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Who, Joyce?
I was just making a joke. He’s fine.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez would never play
he’d sit in the dugout and talk to Maddon in some genius language no one else understands
No jinxies.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
DIE IN A FIRE
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
jonny gomes threw out y molina twice today
just to change the subject
How can you all be for "progressive statistical analysis and reasoned argument"
Then turn around and freak when someone mentions a no-hitter/perfect game? Superstitious nonsense is the antithesis of reasoned argument.
I have no problem admitting I'm not statistically gifted.
I’m a guy who makes dick jokes, GIFs, and believed MVB was actually an MVP last year.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and believed MVB was actually an MVP last year.
FUCK THAT
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No. He's not.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I DISAGREE WITH YOUR ASSESMENT.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I disagree with your disagreement.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe that because something is not quantifiable means it doesn't matter.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It matters. Just not that much.
And the argument was about his defense. Which is quantifiable, if rough.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Intangibles.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
*Makes cross with fingers*
DON’T USE SUCH LANGUAGE
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
MVB is white--he gets the benefit of the doubt
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays just need to make a serious DD decision on Upton
If they think his stick can improve this could be a prime time to offer an extension.
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this actually wouldn't be a horrible idea
If we can somehow get him for far less than he is worth during the off-season I wouldn’t object. A Deezy, Upton, Joyce OF for the next 5+ years shouldn’t suck
The problem is if this is how he is going to hit in the future....
Jennings and Perez could give us the same defense at a far cheaper price
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Cheaper though
Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks
Probably not as good with the bat full-time.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not
But is the difference worth the cost?
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I don't know the cost.
But you’d also have to weigh Upton’s trade return.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
meaning we get Fernando Perez in his statistical prime while Beej becomes a FA in his statistical prime?
by walkoffwalk on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez' statistical prime isn't close to Upton's.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How do they compare defensively?
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Beats me.
Perez has SSS, but I’m guessing he’s a TTT ~5-10 defender in CF, maybe higher.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ has also only played OF for 2 1/2 years
while he is already above average in CF it isn’t too far fetched to believe he will continue to improve with expereince.
His service time is also creeping up
My point is simply due to the supply of defense there is no need to pay anything for it.
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BJ is more than just defense
he has 35 steals and if you project that out to his career OBP compared to what he has this year I’m guessing he would be on pace to have over 50 steals.
And perez and Jennings couldn't do that?
As you said there are fast blacks everywhere.
And again the point is what the real BJ is. If his offense is good, like 2007. Then he is very valuable. Almost irreplaceable. If his offense is 2009 good then he is very replaceable (given cost). It is up to the front office to make that determination. Given all his issues it is a far tougher prediction than normal.
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Age shouldn't really matter for a commodity as plentiful as high defense no hit players
They are cheap and plentiful.
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yes there are fast blacks everywhere
but BJ is still good, how quickly people forget what BJ did 08 playoff’s.
I don't. He was my MVP pick
But the truth is he has been declining with the stick for awhile now. None of us truly have enough information to make an informed decision. It is really up in the air now if his swing can be fixed.
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FWIW Carlos Beltran had a .744 OPS the year after his big playoff run with the Astros
he has turned out to be pretty good since
Beltran also hit very well that season
Over the past 2 to 2 and a half years how many months has BJ really hit the ball well? Maybe 3 or 4?
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Can anyone recommend a cheap definitive copy of Arabian Nights?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Thank God Price is pitching like a whitey today
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96!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Banned.
Not because of the jinx, but because of prior transgressions.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Yes.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's SRQ
He’s not a real person
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
FUCKING BANNED
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
BenZo!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Price is reminding me of a certain Clay Buchholz game
Minus the queer necklaces
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Im reverberating yesterday's reverberated sentence:
Gregg Zaun is the greatest catcher we ever had.
Duemig is alive, NOT FOR LONG though....
Greggina
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Price is putting a hurt on people
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Big Willy plays better against his brother. Just saying.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 11, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
What is Joe Maddon thinking running Upton out there every single day.
He is absolutely awful. He clearly doesn’t like baseball. The only thing he cares about is his paycheck. He’s almost single handedly going to keep us out of the playoffs. We need to send him to AAA as a message. If only we had guys like Jonny Gomes and Cliff Floyd around the clubhouse to remind these guys how to win. Ultimate hustle guys!
by Cockytherooster! on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You forgot Helliot
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how you've created this username five times and keep forgetting the password.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You've got to do, what you've got to do.
Having Upton out there is unacceptable and I’ve got to get the message out there since you guys are clearly just apologist for his lazy, uninspired, poor play. He was energized last season by having Gomes and Floyd on the bench during the playoffs and even though they didn’t play, they were able to keep him focused. Now he just needs to be put out to pasture somewhere in Amsterdam with Kazmir.
by Cockytherooster! on Aug 11, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton isn't playing well
However that doesn’t mean you just replace him. Who do you replace him with? You have to look at the big picture.
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Missing the playoffs is the only picture I see.
by Cockytherooster! on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This hurts my brain
It’s like a meta-argument now
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I love how people associate struggling and lack of success with not trying
If BJ Upton didn’t care about baseball he would quit. I’m pretty sure he has money to live off of and could work at Mcdonalds if he truly hated baseball and didn’t care.
There is a clear trend between Gomes and Floyd type guys and the Rays making the playoffs
It must be true!!
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There is a clear trend
That is most definitely fanpost worthy. I mean hell that trend is real strong. 100%
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There is a definite trend with Percival being our closer and the Rays winning the division
We must bring him back
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I'm not voting for no Deveron. That's not even a good Christian name.
Sign lady must die.
Nobody Talk to Raymondo - Support the Site-Wide Silent Treatment.
Duemig is alive, NOT FOR LONG though….
what do you mean by this?
by walkoffwalk on Aug 11, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fatness can clog your heart. Driving while intoxicated can result in flying through windshields decapitating you
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Hmmm, Percy's Greatest Misses?
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 12, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep my post on DRB changed the whole universe and stopped Price's no hitter
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Upton was lazy fielding that ground ball
Did you see that he didn’t even bother to throw the ball overhand. He side armed it. He was so lazy he didn’t want to lift his arm.
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It'd be nice if the Rays could hit that gas can Ervin Santana
Then we wouldn’t have to rely on our rookie left hander to continue throwing up zeroes against one of the top offenses in baseball.
Hello.
There is a strong direct trend of umpire blown calls with Rays losing games
Might as well turn on the weather channel.
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Next time I'll use gifs to show how superior Zaun is to Navarro
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That's not nice.
Sign lady must die.
Nobody Talk to Raymondo - Support the Site-Wide Silent Treatment.
by EminenceFront on Aug 11, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I read this as "HEY MAN, MY KID IS READING TITS".
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 11, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone explain to me how the Angels have a good offense?
The talent just doesn’t match up
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CC doesn't try
DFA him. He is like Dukes and Delmon
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yes because the DP that should have been except for a bad call and the inning would be over
so now he isn’t pitching well.
100% chance that was a passed ball with Navi
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Well thankfully we will hit Santana the way every other team does
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if i was maddon...
i would punch/kick an ump in the face right now
he rarely shows emotion, it is something I wish he would do more
has he been ejected from a game all year?
What the ...?
I walk away for a few minutes to pack for my trip tomorrow and I’m greeted by this scoreline?
Bad call by the umpire
Couple hits. CC fucked up. Upton semi fucked up
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HIM PACKING CHANGE THE UNIVERSE AND ALLOWED THE RUNS
THANKS A LOT
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I'm normally not one to jump on umps but a missed call on what should have been a DP and than a missed strike 3 call to Willits
we get either call correct and 0 runs scored.
I was at a game he got ejected from last year.
It was glorious.
He prob asked the umpire to go to a wine tasting with him
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The Rays definitely get screwed in this stadium more than every other place
There’s always at least one game in Anaheim where a boat load of calls go against them. Always.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
>
Hernandez
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Batting stance guy probably has a nicer BJ swing than BJ does
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His swing is so fucked up
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Well at least Boston won
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK!!
I'm not saying bench him
but when is the last time BJ had a day off and it doesn’t seem like he has had more than 2-3 in the last couple months
I now believe the baseball gods are just fucking with Raymondo tonight
the one guy on the team he goes to bat for 0-3 3 K’s
Facing a righty though.
If it were a lefty I’d agree.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Still better than Upton
I just can’t believe how bad his swing is. He’d probably go 0fer in a softball league.
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So I run to get a burrito and come back and it's 3-0
WHAT THE FUCK?!?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
From where?
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from Moe's?! in Henrietta?
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hess
Moes closes at like 10, that place sucks compared to John’s Tex-Mex
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Burrito at Hess gas station....
wow thats a bummer
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheap and I just need to fill my stomach
I’m slowly getting hooked on the giant Arnold Palmer half and half cans
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at the Moe's in Henrietta last 2 weeks ago
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not bad, but Moe's:Burritos::McDonalds:Burgers
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me know next time you're near Monroe Ave we'll get a beer
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Will do
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Try Pancheros
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 12, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
GTFO it's wrapped in plastic
If I went to a restaurant I might have missed more.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I am worried
“He’s one of the best closers of all time,” Maddon said.
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ding ding ding!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090811&content_id=6373018&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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Also
Maddon added that a lot of people forget how much Percival did for the Rays in 2008, and how much he had to do with changing the team’s culture. Included in his role was helping to mentor the some of the young relievers in the Rays’ bullpen like J.P. Howell, who is now the team’s closer.
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Man was it ever 2BB and 2 HR in 1.1 IP; FIp over 26
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 12, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude I just got finished with Zombies,
Der Ries level 24
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got it from Game Fly
trying to join a game… lol
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ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney notes in a post today that talent evaluators have told him they’re convinced the Rays will take trade offers on B.J. Upton this winter.
Yesterday, we noted that Upton remains unhappy with Joe Maddon’s decision to drop him down in the Rays’ batting order, the St. Petersburg Tribune reported yesterday.
Once the leadoff hitter, Upton was dropped to seventh last week and now is ninth.
“It’s almost like a kick in the face,” Upton said.
Buster Olney’s Take
Upton’s actions forcing the issue
“Upton is incredibly talented and has the talent to be a Gold Glove center fielder, but he has regressed offensively, and the fact that he griped about his place in the lineup when he’s been batting under .250 the whole year doesn’t speak well of his personal accountability.”
We already saw this drivel
get it together man
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays take trade offers on everyone.
This isn’t news, and Buster can’t even cite a real newspaper.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 11, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
night everyone
fuck the West Coast and this trip
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Well at least something positive can come tonight...
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 11, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it me or did CC give up on that fly ball?
If he sacrificed himself at the wall he may have made that catch
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CC don't play the wall unless it's an exhibition game
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A double play every fucking inning Jesus
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Nice of Aybar to turn his head on that one
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Sweet Beej wants to go home
Early game tomorrow
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Go see The Hurt Locker
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 12, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Him getting ground balls and K's all day helps
that catch describes our day
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 12, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we learned two things today.
1) The offense when not playing Boston needs help.
2) MLB.TV sucks ass.
Check out a thing called "Roku"
You plug it to your t.v. to watch MLB.TV games on your t.v.. It also can use Netflix and other stuff.
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