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Reaction to the LeVon Washington/Kenny Diekroeger News

Well, this sucks.

Pardon me for being speculative in nature, but as iron-clad as this front office is, doesn't it seem a bit peculiar they would essentially throw in the white towel on negotiations 10 and a half hours in advance? Scott Boras' plate is loaded today, and what better way to get the Rays onto the top of his brain but by pressuring camp Washington into panicking?

If they don't sign LeVon, this draft looks ridiculous. I don't know what the Rays draft board looked like on that June day, but you have to figure they could've taken someone like Todd Glaesmann  or Luke Bailey (he was ranked higher than Levon and Glaesmann on the pre-draft board by BA, not the only voice that matters, but a pretty strong voice) in round one without much fuss and (theoretically at least) signed him easily. Who knows who they take in Glaesmann's original spot, but the point is, at least it looked better from a public relations standpoint.

The two extra picks next year are okay. Odds are neither will be as high in upside as Washington or Diekroeger and both will probably be slot types - think overdrafts, much like Drew Storen at 10th overall this draft - so even if the draft is deeper next year - and I don't know if it is - the Rays aren't getting better value, and lose a year of development time.

Honestly, I still find it hard to believe Washington will forego signing. He's a guy with a history of injuries already and while UF is nice and all, it's not like he's going to raise his stock too much in three years.  This just seems like a silly decision on his part if the differences between the Rays offer and Boras' requests are less than the Rays offer itself.

Diekroeger, I commented over the weekend that a source had told me Derek Dennis was more likely to sign. I'm less disappointed in not signing him -- despite my irrational love for toolsy shortstops --because I never expected him to sign. There's a good chance he never reaches the major leagues, and if he does, I guess it won't be with the Rays, but you can't really hate a kid for wanting to attend his dad's alma mater when it happens to be the University of Stanford.  

The Rays knew what they were getting into when they drafted a Boras client and if the clock hits midnight without a LeVon signing, it's going to make this draft look a whole lot worse than it seemingly did a week ago.

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Good for you

sticking to your guns here. I feel like I’ve been seeing a lot of post-move/non-move rationalizations here lately.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I know that

But if I’m thinking it, I’m probably not the only one.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And?

I’m sorry that there’s not a ton of negative posts about a pretty good FO. If you want hate for the sake of hate, try out this site.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

...wow

Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get so defensive.

I think there is a general sentiment among many of us that the site tends to not acknowledge FO mistakes or will rationalize them so as to not make them look so bad afterwards. Obviously, the site you linked to is much further in the opposite direction. I appreciate even-handedness. Good post.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Wheeler's as well,

If we’re going to be technical.

The front office makes mistakes. They don’t make catastrophic lapses in judgment though. Failing to sign your first 2 draft picks ranks up there as pretty catastrophic.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the Jim Hickey Sucks tag

matthan must be a co-editor.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must be in heaven, after all it is the LLWS time of the year

It is the highest level of baseball that you understand. Although those little league pitch count may fool you.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want hate for the sake of hate

But it’s nice to see that you do occasionally disagree with the front office and aren’t becoming a shill.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I will try to rationalize not signing our #1 & 2

just for argument’s sake. I know we have to keep in mind that we don’t know how the draft would have gone had we picked differently, and I also know that we cannot know whether the compensation picks next year will be as good or even less affordable. But ignoring those admittedly important considerations, how about this?

Suppose we picked Glaesmann, Bailey and Malm in the first 3 rounds rather than in rounds 3-5? Could they have signed them for the total of $2.36 million that they spent? Or is it more likely that Glaesmann at #1 and even Bailey at #2 would have commanded significantly more than they expected to pay for Washington? In other words, is it possible that by moving them higher and getting Washington lower, we might still have failed to sign Diekroeger but also been unable to sign one or two of the other 3 and gotten only Washington and Malm instead?

Additionally, by failing to sign Washington to what would have been over $1 million, might the Rays have distributed that money to get more depth, let’s say to up the ante for Kevin James at #9?

I am not happy with that line of thinking, and I still have some hope for Washington and perhaps a few more of the lower picks with some good press such as Floro, Johnson and Dennis. And I suppose that getting Bailey has made me see everything else they do through rose colored glasses. But I do think that the Rays’ approach to their first draft at the end of the rounds was to acquire more depth and undervalued high ceiling prospects than to worry about signing their #1.

by bobr on Aug 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More eloquently than I was able to state all day.

Bravo

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

The last 10 days have pretty much sucked.

FUCK

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Except for those back to back wins

Those are pretty sweet.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think LeVon was an overdraft...

so I wouldn’t worry too much about getting as good a value, or better, one pick down next year. I believe I’ve read that the high school class next year is very deep, maybe the best in a while. Diekroeger’s upside will be hard to get again in a similar spot next year though, so that is very dissapointing. Hopefully this freed up money makes sure Pierce Johnson and Dylan Floro are signed up.

"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"

by Brett Keith on Aug 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem is

If we draft another guy with Diekroeger’s upside with the comp pick, he’s likely going to be a signing risk. And if we take high upside guys with even 3 of our 4 1st/2nd rounders next year, it’s going to cost a lot to sign them. And if we’re going to pay them, why not spend the money now?

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a problem

Because as I said, Diekroeger’s upside won’t be easy to find after the 1st round next season, and yeah, if you do find it, it’ll likely be another very tough sign. I don’t know how much Diekroeger wants to give up school, but if it’s 2 million or less, I say screw Washington and pony up.

"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"

by Brett Keith on Aug 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm back

remember we won the AL pennant when i was sternfan1

by sternfan1 on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yay

Let’s IP ban you again!

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Boras is an illegitiimate child

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

On this note, it would suck if the Rays can't get these guys to ink up.

But it sucks amazingly less if NONE of Boras’ clients sign. I’m wondering if the owners can collectively file some kind of grievance if that happens.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can file one...

…and it will go straight to the office of free enterprise where it will be laughed at.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think Boras would be the one that would try to file the grievance

He would be the one that would look bad if none of his clients signed

Bring Your Z-Game!

by Sveet on Aug 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldstein:
kingclipIt’s funny, not signing 1-2 is embarrassing, but the #Rays draft still isn’t THAT bad.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

washington

Gainesville Sun has article on their www.gatorsports.com website that says Washington has not qualified to get into school so he needs to go JUCO or prep school.

by hofadg90 on Aug 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FAIL.

Fucking idiot.

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i guess he will be re-entering the draft next year then

his stock will almost undoubtedly fall. He’s a moron if he doesn’t sign.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

this x2

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOLOLOLOL

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there goes the leverage Boras had.
An infielder/outfielder, Washington also was a Gator baseball signee, but a Florida spokesperson said last week that Washington has not met the academic requirements to attend UF. Washington’s options now include junior college and independent baseball.

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090817/ARTICLES/908179918?Title=Rays-not-able-to-sign-former-Gator-baseball-signee

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

NCAA'd

I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!

by RWRays on Aug 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

aren't there scholarships or something? i don't really know how this works.

when has academic crappiness ever been an impediment to an athlete getting into college and playing?

by yeseggs on Aug 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the time.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I am

and it is all too familiar

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, this was good

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Aug 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

says tebow and his 890 SAT score

(obviously not going to contradict that FSU lets em in straight out of 9th grade remedial English)

Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation

by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is that true?

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lulz it is

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they took Jesus off the SATs so that doesn't count

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU is famous for signing and placing

They oversign every year just so they can get a good Rivals ranking. Dot has to branwash the sheep somehow.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck you

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine him not signing now with that news out there.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Friedman will probably cut his offer in half now.

Either sign or play JuCo with a bum shoulder.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow that is fucking excellent

Goodbye leverage.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I hope at least one of them has a last min change of heart

Not signing the 1st or 2nd rounder is…. a fuck

Can we give Maddox a blank check or go after Sano if neither sign?

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

No even better: Give Johnson and Dennis a blank check.

Everbody's Nobody

by RWRays on Aug 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was born a pauper to a pawn on a christmas day

When the new york times said God is dead

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Levon wears his war wound like a crown

He calls his child Jesus
`cause he likes the name
And he sends him to the finest school in town

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when Suttree said that was The Band

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

jackin it

probably

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

SEOing "Horse Porn"

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He rec'd one of your comments

IN THIS VERY THREAD.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I didn't say it was the Band.

I brought up the Band because their drummre Levon Helm is a fucking legend, you putz.

by Suttree on Aug 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please go see human resources

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Jew allies in human resources here, pal.

These Baptists are gonna be on my side if you file a grievance.

by Suttree on Aug 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you fail to realise is that Baptists are so evangelical they want to see the 3rd temple constructed to bring back jesus

and as such are very pro jew.

OWNED

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, duh

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Kenny will regret either decision
It had been a whirlwind two-year process for Diekroeger, who had said that just over a year ago, he didn’t think the draft would be an option, and that he’d have a chance to play Ivy League baseball. But his stock kept rising after his appearance at the Area Code Games, and he said Tampa Bay was one of the first teams to come see him.

Diekroeger has said he was honored to get picked by the Rays and would definitely consider what they had to offer. To him, either way, it was a win-win scenario.

But we’ll see which dream will come true by midnight tonight.

-Heater

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there anyway we can give him a blank check?

And tell him to put WHATEVER amount that’s suitable for him on it?

Everbody's Nobody

by RWRays on Aug 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it seems not
Kenneth Diekroeger Sr. said his son told the Rays today he will be going to Stanford, and it’s a final decision.

Diekroeger, the Rays second round pick, spent most of the summer debating it, and apparently it was more about his strong commitment to Stanford than not getting enough money from the Rays.

“It was a tough decision for him and he spent the better part of the summer debating it,” Kenneth Sr told the Times. “But in the end, he decided he wanted to go to school and defer any potential professional career. The Rays handled everything with the utmost class and made it a very difficult decision because we won’t know if he’ll have a chance to be part of such a first class organization again and that’s probably the hardest part about it.”

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

time to go hard after LeVon especially since he fucked up with school

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Life's a bitch.

And then you die.

Everbody's Nobody

by RWRays on Aug 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's 18 years old

WTF does this asshole know about anything. When I was 18 I was a dumbass since I didn’t even know what a dumbass I was. I’m not much smarter now, but shit, at least I know that when I was 18 I didn’t know shit about shit or what I wanted out of life.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are a bitch and a dumbass to boot

you’ll see

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL young wippersnapper

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of how either players career progresses from here, this has to be viewed as a blunder of epic proportions.

For a team that has stated publicly multiple times that to remain competitive they will have to build through the draft not to sign their first and second round picks is completely unacceptable.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

EPIC PROPORTIONS?

That is a bit much. They have also said they are going to be financially responsible.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

#1-3 aren't going to sign....

boo hoo…….let them work harder if they want, it now puts pressure on them to succeed. We have 2 additional picks next year if they dont

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by Gone Phishing on Aug 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Glaesmann signed.

Unless you meant the top three picks, which, Ackley and Tate are signing.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that just leaves the number 1 now.

hmmmm

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of Glasemann, Malm, Bailey, James, Rogers and others

There could easily be a star or 2 at least. Bailey is plus power, plus defense and can actually run.

I am very excited about him. Def more than I would of been about or LeVon or Kenny

And I just think Malm is gonna hit a whole lot of homers for us

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Malm's question has been power..

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

Boras is about to know what it feels like to get Freidman’d

by TPA08 on Aug 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

ehhhh

I am pretty sure he more pressing matters at hand than dealing with the 30th overall pick.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Non Rays draft question

I have heard NOTHING on Crow, will he sign? If not, I wonder what team would try for a 3rd time to sign him.

Also Strausburgh was basically insulted by a 12.5 mil offer, I bet he doesnt sign and the Nats draft him next season anyway….

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHA YEAH, WHY SHOULD HE TRY AND GET VALUE FOR THE PERIOD IN WHICH HE CAN'T CONTROL HIS OWN FINANCIAL DESTINY

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol crack addiction

oh the sad memories

but yeah, he seriously needs to sign before he gets Prior’d in college

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strausburg can't go back to college

He’s going to the Orix Blue Wave

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have to accept 12.5 million if he can get 20 at midnight

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes sense

Sprewell tried to tell people that he couldn’t feed his family on 17M a year and now look. One of his houses got foreclosed on this year.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is why he will sign this year

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to sign a release to be re-drafted by the same team and two years in a row

and he would not do that. As for Crow, they changed the rule and have until next June to sign him.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they have the 1st Overall Pick again?

and then take Bryce Harper with the supplemental

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh god can we please allow draft pick trades?

I want Harper so bad

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall

They last time we drafted the best high school prospect EVER things didn’t work out so well.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw coke boy

Price is where its at and he will work out

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did not draft Price at the age of 17

He had experience at a competitive level.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, odds of Harper living for that bag of powder also have to low

I want that guy and I wish we could trade picks especially with the idiot Nats

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by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Beane would argue differently.

Of course, that’s cause his parents put his 150,000 bonus into a real estate group that promptly went bust. Whoopsies.

by Suttree on Aug 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh-oh.
kingclipSuddenly hearing legitimate concerns FROM teams and agents about some of these Top 15 guys getting done. Is this the year? #mlbdraft

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Does this refer to MLB holding on to the over-slot guys?

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well FUCK everyone

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a cute young girl to blow me through my entire workshift

It’s nice to want things

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd want more than slot too.

The ones who do make it are slaves for their first three pro years.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming they get to the Majors

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah "the ones who do make it"

The others are going to use this money for whatever, hopefully they invest or put it away.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rimz

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ice cream paint jobs

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Log Cabins

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes

Scherzer vs. Hanson starts soon

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Boras

Anyone else wonder how much attention Boras is paying to getting Levon signed, when he still has the top 3 picks unsigned including Strasburg.

by ReyL on Aug 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Boras is a notorious micromanager

who doesn’t let anything happen without his specific approval. Not as bad as Drew Rosenhaus, but similar.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: YES!

Twins just acquired Huff

Series vs Baltimore just got easier

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Tigers*

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers*

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers*

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers*

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's only allowed to hate one previous team at a time.

He has to go back to being indifferent vs the Rays now and hit 50HR vs Baltimore.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

MacPhail

“MacPhail was asked about Rhyne Hughes, the player the O’s got today as the player to be named later for Gregg Zaun.

AM – “We were able to finish that deal today and acquire a left-handed hitting first baseman that was with Tampa’s Triple-A club named Rhyne Hughes. He went to the Fall League last fall and was at Double-A and Triple-A this year. Between the two he’s hitting about .285 with 22 home runs and 72 RBI and 30 doubles. He’s kind of a late bloomer. We had two scouts see him recently and we think he has a chance to be a productive player.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/237463-what-people-are-saying-about-the-baltimore-orioles-aug-16

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, there are several Boras high draft picks that have not yet signed.

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

All his picks in the top 50 are unsigned

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the problem is Scott Boras, and not the teams

He wanted a huge increase over the record amount on Strasburg. Washington just offered barely over the record amount.

Greedy bastard.

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not taking it from billionaires, he's taking it from the fans

Owners are not going to lose their margin when they can just up the cost.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're wrong

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd kill to be paid $400k a year to start at a job.

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's approximately the league minimum

Which is kinda the point.

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Aug 17, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, but most of them won't make it to the majors.

So it’s more like “less than 60k”

Minor League minimum salary
(for players on 40-man rosters for at least the second year or for players with at least one day of major league service)

    * 2009: $65,000

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

$65,000

OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by behn on Aug 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly I don't even want the Rays to sign LeVon

I think we could get a better player, in terms of value, next year. That is taking into account time value and taking someone that has close to no signability risk.

I frankly do not think LeVon is good at all. What exactly are his skills? He runs fast? He isn’t a great hitter. He has no position. Plus he throws like a girl.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

His arm is a question, he had a good arm pre-surgery.

He can hit a bit. Good patience at the plate. Good range in CF. Worth the pick if he signed.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the hitting a bit

Basically you are saying he is like a mirror image of the BJ Upton? Ah the humor

I’m not saying he is bad. I’m just saying I think we can get a better player at that spot. I’d rather wait a year and get the better player. He was a huge reach.

Just tell Stu to not sign LeVon, invest that money in the market, get a good return and then draft a better player and overslot him significantly. Bingo.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically you are saying he is like a mirror image of the BJ Upton? Ah the humor

This is stupid.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, this is stupid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion#In_anime

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not clicking that.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hye cool, Naruto and Sailor Moon, two series' I hate with a passion.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you been watching the games?

No need to sidetrack the thread. But BJ right now is an all defense, no offense player. His defense is so good he is still valuable so it isn’t a bad thing. I was just making a comp. Basically LeVon’s ceiling is the current BJ Upton. All defense, no offense CF.

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah so current BJ with the stick, Ellsbury with the arm, and BJ in the field?

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say Luis Castillo or Scott Podsednik.

But it’s funny how you think you know all about his bat when he’s never played pro ball.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well isn't that close to what I just said?

You just morphed my three components into one player.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

I just find it funny that you try to sneak a dig in when our evaluations are essentially the same thing. Although I did think Pods was a better CFer than he was. He is a careeer -UZR guy in CF as we all OF as a whole.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How am I slipping a dig in?

It’s not a dig to say “It’s funny how you think you know all about his bat when he’s never played pro ball.”

It’s the truth. I don’t know if he’ll hit or not, but you can’t just assume he’s going to hit .230/.320/.320 or whatever when he’s 18 and never played with a wood bat.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I just think the probability of him being a good major league hitter is very slim. Of course it is small with any 30ish pick in the draft, but I think it is even smaller for LeVon. Of course I could be wrong. I’m not saying he has a 0.00% chance of being a great hitter.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can fucking hit. I'm glad you're a scout who thinks he has no bat.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you haven't been watching the games?

Lately he has sucked with the bat. Quite obviously that is what my reference was.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

/thread

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have any of us?

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we all know nothing basically

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he is black

So he is must be fast?

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

6.2 second 60 says he's fast.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed

Is it true Prince Fielder runs a 62 second 60?

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lord no.

Although Prince is a surprisingly good athlete. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he could run in the 6.8/6.9 range. He’s an average runner, which is really, really impressive for someone his size. Limber too, I’ve seen him do almost a full split at first.

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by Tyler on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just LOOKS like a ballplayer

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

/Jordache

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

/thread

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I'm stupid because you think BJ is hitting well

I really suggest you watch the games. Do you need someone to pay your brighthouse cable bill for you? I suggest getting the cable/internet combo

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

RAWR

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said LeVon's arm is a question

BJ has THE CANNON

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Aug 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah that is right

So basically LeVon’s ceiling is BJ with the stick, Ellsbury with the arm, and BJ in the field?

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in full agreement with Matt on this one

If we get him for slot I will not be upset, but he doesn’t deserve one dollar more.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the money isn't my main concern

I just think we can get a better player

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That isn't what I said previously

I said typically in certain draft positions I’d rather take the college player than a toolsy high school kid. I said specifically at about the 5th pick on down the rest of the 1st round. After that (and the first picks in the 1st) I’m all for picking high schoolers. Of course every draft is different so that isn’t a hard and fast rule. I just don’t think the risk/reward justifies taking a high schooler at say 10 when you have proven college guys who have performed at a really high level. Once you hit the 3rd round then those high performing college guys are gone so I don’t mind going high potential high school kids.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does 'proven' get you?

I mean, it could very well mean taking Alex Gordon over Justin Upton. Being dogmatic about anything, especially the MLB amateur draft is beyond stupid.

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by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

There are a million examples that could prove my point. There are also a million examples that disprove it. Basically, hiring good talent evaluators, not being dogmatic and not listening to matthan are all good draft strategies.

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by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the best strategy of all would be to not listen to you

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if posters are already to flame me then I might as well flame them back

I never start the personal attacks.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

going not already

Either way I’ve noticed quite a bit more hostility from posters lately. They might as well start taking it as well.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where?

You didn’t see the “don’t listen to matthan if you want a good draft strategy”

I didn’t say anything prior to him flaming me.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

I’m just going to start defending myself. I try to be civilized in debate and I know it is pretty tough (if not impossible) for you and the others to keep an eye on everyone. Personal attacks instead of reasoned debate has been increasing quite a bit. I’m all for being proven wrong. I know you think that I believe I’m pretty full of myself, but I really am all for being proven wrong. Being right is the most important thing. However many posters here just think they are right no matter what and resort to personal attacks instead of using reasoned debate. The % of the people here that try to use facts and numbers to shape their beliefs and argument are increasing. The whole “I think I’m right even though the numbers may prove otherwise so f you” attitude is just getting old. Thankfully there still is a core group here that uses reasoned debate most of the time. We all sometimes fall of the track sometimes. My expectation of intelligent discourse though has fell dramatically on this board and I really have no problem entering into the flame wars that many posters seem to want to start.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is flaming you (except maybe Tyler), dude.

I think most here just give each other shit. You are being full of yourself if you think we’re all taking time out just to piss in your grits.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No not really in this thread

I’ve just seen an uptick in personal attacks. I’m just gonna bash back. If you want to have intelligent discourse with me then I’ll gladly participate. If other wanna be baseball minds want to talk shit and act like they are tough shit then I’ll push back. No big deal, I like talking trash and making fun of idiots. I was just trying to respect the mission statement of the blog because RJ does a great job

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you for the compliments

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or some high schooler over Longo?

Obviously we can give examples of great players and busts that go both ways

I just don’t think the risk/reward is worth drafting a high schoolers past the first few picks in the 1st round. That isn’t ALWAYS the case though.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say anything of the sort

Longoria fits the mold of the type of player that I like drafting in the 1st round.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just see that teams often draft high school players that have close to the exact same ceiling as a college player that is available

Yet the high school player has less odds of hitting that ceiling and far longer timeframe of reaching the majors.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And once you hit the 2nd/3rd/4th round or so

The high level college guys are gone and the remaining guys don’t have nearly as high of a ceiling. There are still plenty of high school guys with really high ceilings. Of course the odds of them hitting it is small, but they are on the board whereas the college guys aren’t. That isn’t the case in the 1st. You have guys with close to the same ceiling yet teams take the high school kid. I disagree with that.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how that works.

Perception isn’t always reality?

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by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better coaching in a professional organization over a long (roughly) period of time yields better results.

Don’t need another blog post to figure that out, but since matthan thinks I’m a dunce above the little league level, I thought I’d use Hulet’s work.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually this is almost exactly what I've been saying

Draft the high schoolers really early (notice nearly every one of the top prep hitter/pitching was a pass) and then take the college guys later in the 1st.

Of course I don’t agree with all the pass/fail. Plus it doesn’t even begin to gauge the degree of success at the draft position.

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not hating on Hulet's work.

But this is a lot more than “pass/fail”.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you took the BJs, Arod, Chippers, Mauers out of the equation then the high school 1st round production falls off

Of course there are great college guys at the top too. IMHO the dropoff would be far more dramatic for the high school guys.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this shows college players are better

And if they just looked at prep vs college from the pick 5 in the first round to the end of the round I’d guess that difference would be substantial.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a number of ways to break down that article in either favor.

As everyone’s said, it comes down to the individual player. As I mentioned before, it seems to me that a Flash-type with good bat speed would be able to hit better than .400 as a HS senior, on pure ability to beat out groundballs hit to inferior HS defenses. Maybe there’s just a lot of sizzle to the kid and our FO got real big googly eyes over it. I’m with matthan in that, based on what we know (little, granted), missing out on Levon isn’t a major catastrophe.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 17, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, but that draft class was awful when it came to elite high school talent.

There were only two taken in the Top 10 picks. You have to evaluate each talent pool individually. Some years you’ll have equal talent at the high school and college level. Some years you’ll have significantly more in one or the other. Having a dogmatic view is stupid.

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by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a dogmatic view

I’ve said numerous times it is about the risk and reward. High school players have a longer way to go. The odds of them hitting their ceiling is smaller. In the 1st round you can have elite college talent with a high ceiling and a strong chance of hitting it. Those players drop all the time in favor of high school kids that have such a long way to go with literally the same ceiling.

Never once did I say that you should pass on an elite high school talent at the 6th pick because it isn’t the top 5 anymore. Never once did I say it was a hard and fast rule. In fact I said the opposite. All I’ve been saying is that in the mid 1st round college players are a better value. They have close to the same ceiling on average and a far better chance of hitting it. Later on (or really early) high school players have larger ceilings than the college guys.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well again thats why I said it isn't a hard and fast rule

And I am all for drafting toolsy high schoolers at the top of the 1st. They are much more of a sure thing than drafting a high schooler say 20th.

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And thats okay

The problem is when that is your best case. The chances of someone hitting their best case is pretty low. I just think he has a low ceiling and has a long way to go to get there. And I do think there were other players that have higher ceilings with a higher probability of them reaching it. But like you said I don’t get paid to scout so I guess only time will tell.

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing that there weren't better players.

I’m arguing that LeVon isn’t horse crap either. He was definitely a top 40 pick.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing he is horsecrap either

I’m saying we could get a better player at that spot (which is what you just said except I’m applying it to next year).

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by matthan on Aug 17, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing that there were better players either.

Again, I’m saying he’s a top 40 pick, if our scouts liked him more than Wheeler, Tommy Joseph, etc., then I have to trust they see something. I’m not appealing to authority, I’m simply going to admit my ignorance.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you evaluated next years draft class at all or are you just talking out of your ass?

Can you name 10 players in next years draft class without looking them up?

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by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a 'could'

Seriously, this far out from the draft, nobody legitimately knows whether next year’s draft will be stronger than this one after the first 5 or so picks. Any speculation otherwise is just foolish – whatever we think now will change a ridiculous amount between now and the draft.

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why you think his bat sucks so much?

He’s comp with the bat was Johnny Damon for christsake.

Also, he was throwing low 90s before his shoulder surgery. You HAVE to expect some arm strength to come back.

His highest potential is: Upton range, Kapler arm, and Damon bat. That is a very good potential.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 17, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting Info

I just listened to a ESPN Podcast with Keith Law and the overall topic was Strausburg and the #1 pick but they discussed past #1 busts as well.

KLaw said he talked to a scout last week who recently saw Tim Beckham play last week and the scout was completly blown away that he was the 1st overall pick saying there were at least 20 players better than him.

This is obviously just 1 scouts opinion and I think Beckham was not a bad pick, just something to talk about.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Aug 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't really understand this

I’m not a Beckham fan, at all. But 20 players from his class better than him? That seems high. He’s ranked in top 5 overall by BA if I remember correctly.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to talk to Keith about it.

But the only negative thing I’ve heard so far is that his footwork needs to be improved.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just listened to the podcast and I thought that it was an interesting comment as well.

But Law did say that the scout never saw him as an amateur, so we don’t know if he’s really regressed or not bloomed the way other scouts thought he would. Just that this scout didn’t think he was all that good.

by behn on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's Sternfan 1 now

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

sternfan1 has returned

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Return of the Sternfan 1

Next: The Sternfan 1 Strikes Back
followed by: A New Ban

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

It IS an original trilogy we’re working on

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

RD hates all that is fun

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

YESSSSS SOMEONE WHO FINALLY AGREES

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

All anime sucks and Watchmen sucks

we all have opinions :)

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck you, anime's awesome

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lulz

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, GI Joe is the pinnacle of entertainment

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I think that shit was great?

No i said it was the worse movie I have seen ever….

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You liked The Dark knight.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deliciously average*

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because some overrated actor died doesn't mean you have to cream your panties.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

He was awesome in that Dark Knight

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG I'M SO RANDOM RAWR o_O

My interpetation of Hetah Ledger for TDK. I’m glad he fucking killed himself for that shit.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is just hating to hate

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you even watch the movie?

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently you haven't seen it so...

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Motherfucker.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhhhh

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thumb up

your girlfriends ass

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.. it wasn't terrible. It wasn't the greatest thing ever.

I thought it was good.

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually expected worse from GI Joe

It was an okay movie

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, checked out any of reccomendations yet?

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, not yet anyway

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duuude, you gotta watch paprika

Look at the fucking opening credits. the animation is sooo good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqg3Sw3s9Wg&feature=related

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen Paprika

Can you say acid trip?

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty visual acid trip, at least

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

'All Anime' is strong.

Maybe like 50%? better percentages then the shit you watch

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What "shit" do I watch?

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by SRQman on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

....Really?

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dicks, unlike roses, aren't sweet.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ba-ZING!

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salty !=Sweet

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, he won't be ranked that high in the offseason

Even with BA’s approach, I’d guess he’s no higher than 15, but I could see him ending up much lower than that.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think LeVon's case is more about his health

I don’t think it will be Boras’ fault if LeVon doesn’t sign.

“The fact he was coming off pretty significant shoulder surgery, the physical process was something very important to us. So when we got to noon today it became pretty clear to us this was a situation we wouldn’t be able to resolve.”

Quoted from Friedman via the heater

by dannythegreat on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

They knew about the injury before they drafted him

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Draft and follows were eliminated last year.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I predict that soon you'll see a spate of high schoolers

dropping out and getting their GEDs with a couple months left in the year and playing indy ball in the few weeks leading up to the draft.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to be hugely disapointed if we don't sign Levon

I wasn’t thrilled with drafting a SS with the top pick anyway because it seems like Beckham should be able to stick at that position or it would be nice if we can sneak in a long term deal with Brignac in the next couple years. We could use the pick we get for a toolsy OF and or C. Having good C depth in prospects is always good and right now we our about 1 deep with the new guys we drafted this year. (as far as I’m concerned Jaso isn’t much of a prospect anymore)

by Dbullsfan on Aug 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

LeVon's a 2B/CF

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know everyone has been caight up in draft stuff

but has word come out if Briggy will stay up or be sent back down tomorrow. Hopefully he does stay up and gets the start.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 17, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

With Michael Sheridan batting, Kyeong Kang steals (9) home. Isaias Velasquez steals (12) 2nd base.

Kang’s got some wheels, apparently.

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

O/U Percentage that Strasburg signs with the Nats?

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

30?

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by P Brady on Aug 17, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, he cannot turn down 20 million and that's basically what they're offering.

My guess is he gets a 12 million dollar bonus and 22 million guaranteed. Six year deal structured, 1, 1, 1.5, 2, 2, 2.5 with the ability to opt out at arbitration.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bad news for the Nationals is that they HAVE to sign Strasburg and, even worse, Boras knows is

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by JMB on Aug 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

60%?

He’s probably gotta realize $12.5mil (or w/e it ends up being tonight 18?) Is more than he will ever be offered in the draft.

Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation

by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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