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After the 2007 season you would've been hard press to find two more desired players than B.J. Upton and Grady Sizemore. Upton, then 22/23, hit .300/.386/.508 with 24 home runs and 22 steals in129 games. Defensively, after playing the first half of the season at second base, he settled into a permanent home in centerfield and posted an above average 2.0 UZR in 78 games.

Meanwhile in Cleveland, Grady's ladies were just in heaven as the 25 year old Grady Sizemore was wrapping up his third full season. Sizemore put up excellent numbers to the tune of .277/.390/.462 and also belted 24 home runs like Upton. The best was yet to come as Sizemore would go 30-30 in 2008, while Upton regressed a bit thanks to a season long battle with a torn shoulder labrum.

Despite the two seemingly being destine for a decade plus of dominance after 2007, they are both having pretty bad seasons just two years later.

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Upton's struggles have been well documented here. He's hitting just .236/.313/.355 the season. He suffered a demotion in the lineup, and only shows flashes of his 2007 self. Back in Cleveland, Sizemore was also temporarily removed from his lead off perch, but since has returned. Even after regaining his spot in the order, Grady is hitting just .242/.335/.444 on the year. Obviously, Sizemore's offensive drop off in power isn't any where near Upton's, but his game has taken a hit in other areas.

After swiping 38 bags in '08, Sizemore has just 11 steals in 19 chances this year. When Upton has gotten on base he still shows the ability to steal and is headed for a second straight 40 steal season. Defensively, Sizemore was regarded as one of the better center fielders in the game. In 2006, his UZR was 14.5 and he was awarded a gold glove in 2007 and 2008. This year Sizemore has actually hurt his team defensively and has a UZR of -0.4. Despite the better offensive numbers from Sizemore, Upton actually has a higher WAR than Sizemore (2.1 to 1.7) on the strength of his fantastic 11.8 UZR.

The good news is both players are still tremendously talented and still young enough to rebound.  I'm not going to preach regression in either case, but it's hard to believe that what we are seeing is what we're going to get from two players who have so much to offer. While we struggle to watch Upton everyday, we must remember that he isn't even 25 years old yet. Hopefully nights like last night become more of the norm for him as we head down the stretch because we're going to need all the help we can get.

*All numbers are from before Tuesday night's games

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I'm getting in this before Sternfan blows his load on how Sizemore is the greatest player ever

BJ stil has time to make it look like his offensive numbers don’t completely suck this year but even if they do, he is still only 25 and great defensively. I don’t even think Ryan Howard had his ML debut till he was 26.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 19, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He's looked a lot better on this homestand so far

Doesn’t seem to be going out of the zone as much and looks like he’s just more comfortable. Of course these are just observations, but hopefully they turn into results.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're not allowed to mock someone's reading comprehension when you can't put together a coherent sentence.

No one here is saying BJ’s back for good. The entire article was simply pointing out that it look like he’s starting to turn it around. You made fun of the fact that he had an infield hit, while ignoring the fact that he hit a home run and a triple, which are pretty strong signs his shoulder is healthy and his plate discipline is coming back.

by Suttree on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was mostly exited to see both the triple and homer were opposite field

he seems to be swinging the best when he hits it to right center. Hopefully the cheers last night will help him a little bit.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a joke right?

Someone tell me this thread is a bad joke

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: Levon was offered $1.1 million and didn't take it

Scott Boras was disappointed nothing could get done.

C’mon…..this is a joke. I doubt Boras cared that much

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Sizemore a career 852 OPS with 128 HR

Upton 767 OPS with 46

Let’s end this debate now

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes let's end it since they both play DH

And do not play an important defensive position.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At anypoint did Tommy make it seem like this was a BJ vs Sizemore article?

It’s pretty obvious he’s just pointing out a similar trend in development between two young centerfielders who broke out at the same time.

Also, BJ owns Sizemore defensively this year.

by Suttree on Aug 19, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he doesn't

Sizemore NEVER blows that ball v CHW and never gets beat over his head, yet still comes in well on balls

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

comes in well on balls?

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Upton get to balls that Sizemore

would NEVER get close to, what’s your point? Again, this is not a BJ vs. Grady piece which you obviously missed.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How can we ignore the fielding difference?

It’s not a UZR of 11 to 11.4 it’s a HUGE difference.

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by Buc Wild on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also it's not a debate

Look at the graphs notice the lines going in the same direction? It’s an observation.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like to compare these 2 plus Grander

Here is a look using wOBA

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Please Sandy

B.J. Upton obviously doesn’t belong in the same country

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's by age

I would rate them equal across the board on defense. They are all monsters. Give the slight edge to Sizemore for consistently higher production, but Beej is younger and cheaper.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

852 OPS v 767 OPS

128 HR v 46 HR

Beat that and we’ll talk

C’ya

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

Also, join the movement. Read the sig.

Sign lady must die.
Nobody Talk to Sternfan1 - Support the Site-Wide Silent Treatment.

by EminenceFront on Aug 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its useless

And nowhere do I say Upton>Sizemore in the article. Just noticed the same slope, but again it doesn’t make his point so it doesn’t matter.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't like Cliff Lee v ALE

and the fact the Rays would only rent him

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

For 1.5 years

Hardly a “rental”.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

At which point we would get stuff back

“If it doesn’t help my cause, I completely ignore it.”

-Sternfan1

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said he had a lower FIP

and at this point, i’d flip a coin

Shields has been dooooooooooo good this year

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

shields has been do good?

I love how you use FIP to prove one point, but dismiss UZR when it doesn’t prove your point. But we are cherry pickers.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Looking for my point?

I’ll concede Sizemore has slipped a bit since the ’07 season, but BJ has fallen down a noubtain

by sternfan1 on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Only GIS that came up

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that Strongville's famous Noubtain?

Wow, Its even greater than I ever imagined

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by golly it put them on the map

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez glass

Noubtain is where young 25 year old defensive wizards who play centerfield go to die

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no that was me and rglass mainly argueing whether or not Hellickson is a top prospect.

although I called this at the top about Stern.

He blows a load anytime he is within 50 miles of Sizemore.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Price/Hellboy could be the new Kaz/Shields debate

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look I like Shields and I admit he's having

a somewhat down year, but Kazmir has fallen down the noubtain, don’t you think?

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he didn't fall he jumped

BJ fell because he was too lazy to jump.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I skipped it.....

too much to read for just waking up

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 19, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you had time for a piece of cake though

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope...I might later though

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW if it says Hostess or JJ's Fruit pies on the wrapper it counts as cake

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't eaten anything today

Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me either, but I don't usually eat until around 5

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate you

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullshit.

Sabermatricians don’t exercise.

by Suttree on Aug 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

By "on the run"

He is saying he was in in excel

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of the aural power of 80's rock legends INXS

INXL rules

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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