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When Should the Rays Promote Wade Davis?

via Sports Illustrated

Let's talk about Wade Davis.

He's the 6'5" righty who the Rays have chosen against dealing the past two deadlines. A lot of us saw him in spring dismantle the New York Yankees million-dollar militia in quick fashion which cranked the hype meter up to 11.

Up until his 13 strikeout game against Toledo in early June, Davis had struck out a little over 15% of batters faced and walked 11.6%. Not including that game, Davis has upped his strikeout rate to 23.3% since and lowered his walk rate to 9.1%. Conveniently these stretches are 10 games apiece, with the 13 strikeout game in the middle. Maybe something changed or clicked, but Davis has looked like a top of the line pitching prospect since the beginning of June.

Davis is generating 9% swinging strikes to date, which is good for 27th in the IL amongst qualified starters. That's not overly impressive and places him in a pack with Jon Niese, Ken Ray, and Tony Armas Jr. The top 10 look as such:

David Hernandez

Tommy Hanson

Clay Buchholz

Lucas French

Charlie Morton

Chris Tillman

Ben Jukich

Jake Arrieta

Carlos Carrasco

Tom Gorzelanny

Ideally Davis would be in that range given his stuff. He throws a four-seam fastball that sits in the mid-90s but can touch 96/97, a two-seam fastball that sits in the low-90s, a really good curve, an okay change, and an unrefined cutter; he still needs to work on a pitch to consistently get lefties out. That arsenal combined with his frame make for some Gil Meche comparisons. Hey, if Davis wants to turn into a 4-5 win pitcher, fine by me, but be a little quicker than Meche was about it, okay?

The question for the rest of this season is when Davis will make his majors debut. Odds are he'll fill a role similar to David Price's last season. Someone who comes up originally in long relief, makes a spot start or two, then heads into next spring and theoretically competes for a rotation spot next spring.

Frankly the Rays could appease everyone by simply calling him up and proclaiming him Joba Chamberlain 2009, but as I talked about a few days ago, a really good reliever makes very little difference this season. Factor in loss development time (service time is irrelevant now, ~60-70 days keeps him within the six-year-range and allows for him to come up relatively early next year if the Rays want less than a year of time entering his first full rotation season), and the cost/benefit just doesn't add up. Calling Davis up and placing him in the rotation doesn't make sense either. Entering the season ZiPS projected him at a 4.88 FIP and CHONE at 5.28. He's no better than David Price, Jeff Niemann, or even Andy Sonnanstine right now.

Taking all of this into consideration, it seems as if the best route is the predicted route; simply letting him work in Durham through the International League playoffs then joining the major league team from mid-September on.

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Note: This was obviously written before tonight's start and pushed to tonight because, oopsies, forgot tomorrow was a noon game.

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As much as I would have liked a deadline trade....

I applaud the RFO for protecting the future and hanging onto our top prospects. Last thing I want is to turn into the Pirates.

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by SeanDubbs on Aug 2, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

September for a few starts

who should lose a spot for him now?

by Raymondo on Aug 2, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Rays are going to be in the same position

They were in with Price. Davis will be more polished and almost certainly ready for rotation spot next opening day but may have to wait in Durham for a spot.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 2, 2009 8:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if kaz gets dealt in the offseason that opens a spot in the rotation for him

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by raysfan81 on Aug 2, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So for Davis to become a starter

Either Kazmir or Niemann would likely have to leave. Who knows, maybe this will all be fixed in the off-season. But won’t be here until September anyway so lots of time for him to polish up

by Transplanted on Aug 2, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Ummm Sonnanstine?

Sonny deserves to be a ML starter. It would be a horrible waste of value not to take advantage of that

by matthan on Aug 2, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonnanstine also stinks.

He in no way deserves to be a starter. I’d take Davis over him in a heartbeat for 2010.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 2, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

BAM!

RJ’d

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by SeanDubbs on Aug 2, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIP loves Sonny and makes me hesitant to put my whole faith behind it

It is a nice stat in that it is quick and generally paints a cute picture, but it isn’t the only thing that matters.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 2, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

tRA likes Sonny too.

I’m not sure why one example makes you hesitant to put faith into it, but whatever, not my issue.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not the only example, I just think that it's greatest strength, a quick look at 3 outcomes, is also it's greatest

weakness because it tends to leave out other important inputs in the name of expediency. Not trying to continue an argument just laying out my thoughts on FIP

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 3, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually tend to agree with this

but he doesn’t have disagreeable batted ball rates either, as R.J. says. So what is the argument against Sonny?

by Navi's_Navy on Aug 3, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

SOFT TOSSER

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 3, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if he wasn't so hittable....

Just kidding. Don’t need to turn this into a flame war.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 3, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we all know that Sonnastine's ceiling

is equal to Davis’ or Garza’s(who I didn’t mention but okay).

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 2, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a matter of command/control

Sonnanstine’s BB/9 went from 1.72 to 2.42. It’s not like 2.42 is bad, but his strikeout/walk fell more than a point(3.35 to 2.27). Sonnanstine’s strength is not walking guys. When that strength turned into merely “decent,” he’s not a good pitcher. And to my subjective eye, it seemed like when he was throwing strikes, they weren’t quality strikes.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He also wasn’t mixing and matching pitches like last year keepign hitters off balance, becoming very reliant on the slider. Have a post on this shortly. I still think he is a quality pitcher though, just went through some command issue.

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 3, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me

if the Rays are still contending at month end there might be a value to bringing him up, Price-like, by August 31st, in case he also shows the ability to contribute in the playoffs.

Exposure to the bigs, a look at how he competes, might make for added decision flexibility in the offseason.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Aug 2, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

All things being equal, where does he fit into our rotation next year (when he is called up)

Someone has to be moved, but is he a #3 guy? better or worse?

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by Buc Wild on Aug 2, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Next year?

I’d expect league average.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 2, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait we have to move someone?

/Sarcasm

Sorry I’m just in a debate in another thread on whether or not we should trade any of our 8 major league ready starting pitchers

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by matthan on Aug 2, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And that was a reply fail

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by matthan on Aug 2, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the problem every other team would love to have

But I say keep him in the minors a little longer, let him build up the confidence, and let him pitch through the IL playoffs in September. Odds are we don’t make the playoffs this year anyway* so there is no sense is moving his clock. Mitch Talbot aught to come up August 31st, and Andy will be here when the roster size expands. Davis will probably have to wait until next year, and he will be the better for it.

by behn on Aug 2, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s no better than David Price, Jeff Niemann, or even Andy Sonnanstine right now.

But we don’t know that for sure.

by walkoffwalk on Aug 2, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

To me

Nothing about Wade screams future ace. Seems like he’ll develop into a solid, middle of the rotation starter. Which is damn nice, but nothing to rush.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 3, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

A mid nineties fastball that moves

and a deadly curveball, plus third and fourth developing pitches sounds a lot like ace stuff. Whether he will put it all together is tough to say, but his ceiling is high enough that he could conceivably be an ace in the rotation. On paper, his stuff is similar to Garza. Garza has better secondary pitches right now to compliment his fastball, but I could see Davis turning into someone who provides similar numbers to him.

by behn on Aug 3, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of us saw him in spring dismantle the New York Yankees million-dollar militia in quick fashion

Yeah he “dismantled” their spring training lineup! Have fun not making the playoffs!

by fob22 on Aug 3, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

hey fob22

spring training lineup? hey moron before you post you should get your baseball straight, that game that Davis pitched against the Yanks, he struck out A-Rod, Robinson Cano, and Mark Texiera. Not to mention he embarassed jeter by breaking his bat on the handle. All the innings he pitched were perfect also, nice “spring training lineup”

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by Raynation on Aug 12, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey fob22

spring training lineup? hey moron before you post you should get your baseball straight, that game that Davis pitched against the Yanks, he struck out A-Rod, Robinson Cano, and Mark Texiera. Not to mention he embarassed jeter by breaking his bat on the handle. All the innings he pitched were perfect also, nice "spring training lineup"

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by Raynation on Aug 12, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen Davis pitch in person and he is good but not great

I don’t think he should be in position to get a start this year unless multiple guys go down (basically he should still be behind Sonny). I do however think that he should be added Aug. 31st ala Price last year because he is better than Bennett, one of the loogies, Bradford and if we get into the playoffs both him and Sonny should be in the pen. As for next year I think Kazmir will definately be traded and unless Sonny proves in September that he is a beast out of the pen ala Howell than Sonny will be moved too. So we will have Garza, Price, Niemann, Davis, Shields in the rotation with Hellickson and Talbot (unless he gets a pen spot, not sure if he will have options next year) waiting in AAA and I’m sure we will also have a Carlos Hernandez type in AAA as well in case we need a spot start.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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