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J.P. Howell & Rays Lose Heart Breaker On Wild Pitch


Originally, I had planned to write about Scott Kazmir's awesome 10 strike out performance here, however, it really doesn't mean anything right now. The Iceman who had giveth so much this season taketh away this one. A solo home run to Rod Barajas, three walks and a wild pitch; J.P. In, Game Over. In a game that saw three umpires behind home plate, it's unfortunate that we got stuck with the one at the end of the game who decided that pitch #6 in this sequence was not a strike.

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That would've ended the inning and who knows what would've happened after, but it shouldn't have come down to that. We had that game, we should've won that game and we didn't. No fancy stats needed; that one hurt.

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by SRQman on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

he had only allowed two up til the all star break, but he’s given up 4 in the past 19 days in 17 innings, which means every 4.1 inning pitched he allows one home run, compared to pre break where he was at one home run per 21.1 innings pitched.

9=8

by El Rayhawk on Aug 26, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Chiller is broken :(

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by JMB on Aug 26, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It sucks hard.

We move on. Game on Friday.

Oh, and Longo: cut down on the sauce.

by plasticman on Aug 26, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I had a feeling two runs wouldn't win the game

Yes, Howell needs to hold that lead, but it’s always tough to win a game on the road when you have such a slim margin and have gotten out of danger on several occasions already.

The Rays’ offense needs to stop being so Jeckyl and Hyde and come up with a hint of consistency. When all your power hitters are streaky, you’re prone to have games like this.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Aug 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You still need to win the 2-x games

Rays were 9-11 last yr in games they scored 2 runs, this year 0-12

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a coincidence anymore

Atrocious umpiring aside, look me in the eye (theoretically) and tell me you think these guys have the chips. Can anyone honestly make himself believe it? You know and I know they don’t.

I’m well aware that they won two out of three and have done that a few series in a row. But on the heels of what I just watched, I’m still officially calling it for 2009, not because 4 games is insurmountable, but because this team just isn’t one of those ones that finds a way.

I know I may be judged for being “that guy” who says stuff like this after a bad loss, but it’s true.

by Bobby Fenton on Aug 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well make the call after Detroit

any less than 3 and we’re probably dead in the water

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

After Detroit is fair enough. I’ll relent.

by Bobby Fenton on Aug 26, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, this is the make or break road trip

Because I don’t think the Rays are a good September team

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's going to give you a few extra days, so really be ready to light up this team once they lose 3 out of 4.

That is what’s going to happen BTW.

Even if I’m wrong and they go 2-2, that’s not good enough anymore.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

They've won the first two and lost the last game three series in a row

It’s incredibly frustrating, to say the least.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our brooms are broken.

Find a witch and steal hers. We need a sweep of Boston next week!

by GatorSphere on Aug 27, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

People will say it's just one bad loss

But if it keeps happening over and over again, series after series, it’s not an isolated occurance.

by acablue on Aug 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically

I mean, Maddon’s it’s only 1 game leave it behind philosophy works only so well, a game here & a game there, and it all adds up at the end

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

while it is frustrating the way we keep blowing the chance to get sweeps

as long as we keep winning 2 of 3 every series we will be in the position to control our own destiny against Boston and Texas. Unless we go into a freefall the season won’t be over until those series. We beat them and it doesn’t matter how many bad losses we have to Toronto/Baltimore as long as it is 1 of 3.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

Considering Boston just won 3 straight Chicago(and can sweep tomorrow), I might beg to differ…

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston swept @ Toronto also

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is a stats-oriented site

but is what a “not having it” season looks like

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing is

Two years ago we would have killed for a season like this

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by JMB on Aug 26, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so true

It would be pandemonium right now if last year hadn’t happened.

And as for what DBulls fan said about still being better off than 21 other teams…that’s a perfectly valid point. No one’s saying they suck, though. It’s just that “having it” takes an awful lot. It takes more than simply being in the top half of the league. This team is good, but it isn’t special, and it’s not going to end with any banners this year. It’s just not.

by Bobby Fenton on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand people like to compare years, but we have to look at this year in isolation

The fact is we have underperformed across the board.

Longo has regressed. Upton has totally shit the bed. The pitching staff has gotten worse.

Of course there are possibles (Zobrist, Niemann, CC, Bartlett)…

But overall the team should be playing better than this. That makes this disappointing.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what makes baseball different than the other sports

only 8 teams make the playoff’s, heck 8 teams from each conference make it in basketball and hockey and 12 total in football. The Rays are good, have had some disapointing losses and some bad luck but the fact is they are one of the top 10 teams in the league depite being in argueably the toughest division in baseball. Maybe I’m just content but it is tough for me to get too down on this team because they have gone through a lot throughout the whole season and keep fighting, hell how many times in the last 3-4 weeks have we had a game in which everyone freaked out and said this team is over, no chance they have of being in the playoff run, yet here we are only 4 games back with 9 games left against the two teams we chase, 6 against the team in first. So forgive me for not wanting to throw in the towell on the season and for believing that if we do miss the playoffs this season it isn’t the end of the world because for the first time in franchise history we are in a position to be a contending team for the forseeable future and I don’t mean contending for the #1 pick.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't the end of the world no matter what happens

However I don’t see how you can see this season is anything other than a disappointment if we fail to make the playoffs. Firstly that is what teams play for. Secondly and more importantly is with the way this team has played. We’ve underachieved. We’ve blown TONS of games we should have won. It would be a totally different story if we played our best and just came up short. Instead we are just laying constant eggs. That is disappointing.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel that way a lot

Like Buehrle throw a Perfect Game against us, it’s gonna happen that you get run over once in a while, he was better didn’t bother me, but like the day before, you have a 3-1 lead and totally blew it & that kills me

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the thing

Teams lose games, obviously. If you get beat 9-3, fine, come back tomorrow. But it’s these games where you’re either in it or ahead and you wind up losing that the Rays aren’t winning enough of this year.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've blown tons of games we should have won, lost tons of games vs pitchers we should have beaten, played horribly bad fundamental baseball numerous times...

It is the same old song and dance. If we just played sound fundamental baseball and didn’t totally shit the bed anymore than what we should have then I bet we would have 8 or 9 more wins.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes not making the playoff's will be a disapointment

isn’t a huge dissapointment though if we win 90 games or 89 and miss the playoffs. I mean how many games did you expect to win, 100+, because that happens all the time. Yes the Rays should have been better than they have been and have lost games they should have won but I think expectations were a bit too high. People say BJ, Evan, Carlos should be performing better, yea well Zo, C.C., and Barty are all having above average and in the first and last way above normal offensive seasons. The pitching was very good last year and a lot of people thought Price was going to win 20 games and be the Cy Young but did people expect Niemann too pitch this well, no.

so basically yes not making the playoffs will suck, but calling being 10 games over .500 dissapointing is a stretch in my book.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The end result isn't really the problem

The Rays are 10 over .500 BUT they should be better because honestly they should have won more than a handful of games that they wound up losing.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

and how many games should we have lost that we wound up winning

I can think of at least 2 or 3 games just against KC we should have lost but pulled out of our ass because Hillman forgot he has one of the best closers in baseball. I’m sure there are others out there we won that we should have lost, you just don’t remember them because they don’t hurt like the bad ones do

by Dbullsfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does work both ways

And it isn’t always just blowing a lead late in the game. It is benching 4 starters for rest on the same day. Losing a Shields vs a 7 FIP guy matchup at home. Getting swept vs one of the worst teams in baseball. That shit just adds up. It isn’t always the same thing.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the stuff like going 9-14 in April

when we played some beatable teams, the freaking disaster that is our season series against Cleveland, etc

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Basically if you added up all of the games where you can legitimately say:

“How the fuck did we lose this game?”
“What the fuck just happened?”

We’d be near the top in the league. A team like KC can’t say it the way we can because of the skill differential.

Also I’d love if someone could look at the Vegas odds. I bet we’ve lost the most games as a favorite in the league.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are also like 3-1 Halladay

and have a pretty good record against Boston and in IL play despite playing Colorado, Philly, and Florida all pretty good teams (we beat up on the Mets, Nats too)

by Dbullsfan on Aug 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

KC blows games to everyone though

now if it was like BOS or NYY melting down that’s different

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we probably should have lost a handful of games that we won

That’s the game

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not comparing the Rays to league average though

I’m comparing them to themselves. Based upon that they should have numerous more wins than they should have. If that ends up costing them a playoff spot then that is very disappointing. I guess it is just a semantic argument.

I can look at a 100 win team and still be disappointed in how they played. Yes that is a great result against the league. But what if they should have won 120 games?

I think to properly evaluate you have to look at both the league as a whole and the team itself. Right now the Rays are underperforming. They should have quite a few more wins. Last year you could argue they overperformed.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

why should they have more wins though?

because they blew some games in the 9th?, how many times have we come back in the 9th?.

I’m not sure how many games Pecota or w/e predicted for the Rays to win but say it was 93 and we end up winning 89 is that a huge difference?

by Dbullsfan on Aug 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes when we are talking about the playoffs

And like I said it isn’t always late inning comebacks. This team has just found tons of ways to lose. Lack of fundamentals. Excessive “rest” all on the same game. Losing games where it has a decided pitching advantage. yada yada yada.

But also you cannot just look at Pecota. You’ve watched the games. You are in the position to literally see whether the Rays have blown or “won” more games. Pecota doesn’t have that ability. You are able to say “if the Rays just played normally they would have won that game”. I understand it works both ways, but our normal is way better than Clevelands/Oaklands/Baltimores.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Situational hitting has been troublesome for the team

That’s something I want to see improved in the off-season. I’m tired of seeing a big 0

by Transplanted on Aug 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

first off, yes, 4 games is pretty important as I'm sure you know

and secondly, the stats imply we should have won more games than we have (although the last time I didn’t any scrounging for evidence on my own was back in July, so I’m not completley sure that holds true). Just like last year when our results were a little bit fueled by luck, we haven’t quite gotten it this year. Its not all over yet, but this loss was still pretty demoralizing

by Navi's_Navy on Aug 26, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said buddy

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two years ago was a bad team who should've been bad

This is a pretty damn good team who is only playing “decently” when they should be playing better.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the thing is

almost everyone has played below this season

Only Zobrist, CC, Bartlett & Niemann have been good

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

In comparison to other teams

How about in comparison to our team itself? I really think this is where the disappointment exists. The team has underachieved. They are so talented that underachieving is still better than 75% of teams, but it is still underachieving nonetheless.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true.

But at the same time, we KNOW that this team’s true talent level is above this kind of horseshit uninspired play. It’s not the losses that bother me, it’s how they lose. They can’t hit inexperienced left-handed pitching. They lose to the likes of clearly inferior Cleveland and Oakland, and continue to struggle to Baltimore. When they lose, they’re not getting outplayed, they go into full blown meltdowns. When you watch the team beat up on the likes of Halladay, Beckett, Lester and Pettite, then mighily struggle against the likes of Bruce Chen and Sidney Ponson, then turn around and get completely rolled by guys like Mark Hendrickson and Dana Eveland, it makes me think that this team doesn’t deserve to make the playoffs. That’s what kills me; watching this team lose games they have no business whatsoever losing. I should expect it once in a while, now, I’m expecting it every single time there’s the opportunity.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the hospital on mobile so I can't access fg

Wonder what jps august fip looks like after tonight. Man Joe Nelson would be jealous

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 26, 2009 11:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I dunno, pretty ugly as after tonight he's allowed 5HRs in August

Same as Shields, Garza & Niemann 33.0 22.0 33.1

JP has allowed his in 10.2

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Things are not chill right now

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by JMB on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Kind Of Manager?????

Madden has got to be the worst manager in the AL right now. Let’s face it…….Bringing JP Howell in is not a problem. Leaving him in when he can’t throw strikes is inexcusable. The MANAGER lost this game, not JP Howell. After the home run….After the second walk…..There is no way JP should have been in there any longer. The Rays are finished with a leader like this.

by JRHACK on Aug 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh

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by JMB on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with Maddon is he didn't argue the ball/strike call

That is an argument you have to make. I don’t really believe it fires up a team, but it shows leadership and intensity. And it tells that umpire that he fucked up. It is worth it if it raises the chance of the umpire calling a borderline strike by just 1%. By sitting passively in the dugout it makes it look like we condone umpires fucking up. If Umpires are going to fuck up we should at least try to influence them by making calls in our direction.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well fuck him then

He shouldn’t be the fucking manager if he is so worried about a little fine at the possible detriment of the team.

Oh and boohoo he gets tossed. At worst he misses one batter.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course I have no idea, I'm throwing darts out there

he just hasn’t seemed to be fired up lately

I think that’s what the team needs, firing up

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I know there is really no way to quantify it. However this team needs to take on a new attitude. This is crunch time now. You can’t treat it like spring training. You have to get into “playoff mode” now.

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not a good excuse

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by SRQman on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean seriously I want the team to show some fucking intensity

This is crunch time now. Take this crap seriously. It all stems from the manager. The take it easy 1 game at a time thing is nice, but at some point you have to ramp it up. The time is seriously NOW

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree lol

see the above post by me lol

by Transplanted on Aug 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I don't get

He obviously believes gimmicks like that have an impact. Wouldn’t the manager exploding after a horrible call be far more beneficial? If you believe in the “firing up” effect (which he does via mohawk and black hair) then the explosion would be better and as well as it may impact the ump

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by matthan on Aug 26, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

While "worst manager" is taking it too far

Maddon still hasn’t done anything to convince me he’s a good in-game manager

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

letting zaun and navarro run wild on the bases in close games during a playoff chase isnt good managing?

by Schmidt on Aug 26, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're still not sure what was going on there

Navi was definitely not a H&R, he was already on 2nd

by Transplanted on Aug 27, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's right on JP though

After he allowed the HR, I’d have at least gotten Wheeler up to stretch and start tossing, since best case you’ll need someone for the 10th. Then after the first and second walks he could’ve started really throwing, and then after the third walk I’d stall and then take JP out.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Well.....can't win them all....

but Boston can.

Can every team playing them right now stop giving them wins, its just sickening

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by Gone Phishing on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew the moment the ump missed the obvious strike we were going to lose.

We’re still tap-tap-tappin’ away with these 2-for-3 series. We need to start swingin’.

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by Orlando Rays on Aug 27, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Isolating '08 and '09

I saw that posted above that this year and last year need to be isolated from each other. Maybe in the clubhouse they are, I don’t know as I’m not there.

But as a fan there are two things I find impossible to do that the players are trained to do. Whether or not they do either or both of these things is up to them.

1. Let 2008 be in the past. It was so damn much fun and it is our baseline for the team. I find it incredibly hard not to think back to last year and think that if the team last year could do it, why can’t this year’s team do it.

2. 30 minutes. The players get 30 minutes to revel in a win or roll around in pity after a loss. Wins and losses this late into the season are magnified exponentially and as a fan, I had a couple beers after the Tuesday night win and thought about it for a while and even into yesterday afternoon. I felt good about the team and its chances, etc. But last night’s loss, especially the way it ended, is taking a hell of a lot longer than 30 minutes to digest and let go of. I suppose the players are trained in how to do it and they forget and move on, but as a fan, it’s tough.

Oh by the way, going back to last year, remember on Sept. 6th, the game in Toronto Percy blew? I think it was in the 10th inning. Anyway, it happens, it’s part of the game. This 2 out of 3 thing is better, much better than 1 out of 3. Splitting in Detroit would be fine with me because I still think if the Rays can take 2 of 3 from Boston or all 3, they still have a legitimately good shot at the wild card. It’s late, but not too late.

by GatorSphere on Aug 27, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

WE'VE WON THREE SERIES IN A ROW? TRADE EVERYONE!

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

The Rays destroyed Alderaan!

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

A loss is a loss

You have to look at it as we took the series. 2 out of 3. Say we take 3 out of 4 in Detroit, which is very possible. If I asked you at the beginning, would you have taken a 5-2 road trip? You would have said thank you and bring on Boston. We just have to take care of business in Detroit and everyone will be feeling happy again.

Stop pretending Boston is better than the Rays. And with the whole “we control our own destiny” thing. That doesn’t mean we’re gona win out.. it’s not gonna happen.

The cream will rise to the TOP!

by RivalsTees on Aug 27, 2009 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly

Would you rather be the Dodgers, and peak early, or Rockies and peak at the right time?

To put in easier terms:
Rockies = ReasonableDoubt
Dodgers = SRQman

by RivalsTees on Aug 27, 2009 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Dodgers like cake?

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rays are 12-4 against Toronto

Including 6-3 on the season.

Beating Toronto has not been a problem all season, not even on the road.

Now if we take 3-4 from Detroit on the other hand, well that’s saying something. Detroit has decided to shuffle their pitching rotation so that we get to face starter-turned-reliever-turned-starter-again Nate Robertson. In other words, for what all intents and purposes should be a shitty left-hander. That’s a guaranteed loss. Jarod Washburn’s actually a good lefty, that’s probably a blank too. Rick Porcello’s a rookie pitcher; you expect a win there? Replace the team and the pitcher’s name in these senarios but keep the descriptions, and you’ve already repeatedly watched the Rays lose these games, all year long.

Everyone keeps waiting for the rays to hit that streak. Guess what. It isn’t coming. There is no run in this team. Every time they start a run, they’re holding a pair of sissors in their hand, then they trip and stab themselves in the chest.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you fucking die.

I’m going to PT you until your ass is sucking buttermilk.

by Suttree on Aug 27, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've decided to meet blind, unsupported optimism with soul-crushing, truthful pessimism.

I want people to stop acting like we’re going to make the playoffs. At this point, it’s stupid to think they will.

I have no problem with hope though.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is optimism unsupported?

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

By saying the Rays are going to win games they haven't done all year.

It’s not going to matter if we win the series against Boston and the Yanks next road trip of the Rays lose 3-4 against Detroit. Look at those matchups and tell me you seriously think the Rays can win 3-4 against Detroit.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Rays can beat anyone in a series.

That’s simple talent comparison.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been sitting through Buc games since I was a fetus.

Disappointment is like mother’s milk.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just because it is pessimistic doesn't make it true

Saying that Washburn is anything, but a guy that benefited from the layout at Safeco is a joke.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact that he's left handed.

Even if you and I disagree on the quality; hell if you disagree with me on the quality and we take your position, that he sucks, that bolsters my point even more. Rays + shitty LHP = stupid uninspired losses.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are the cells of your Excel spreadsheets filled in black?

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even though, for the zillionth time, I'm not a stat guy, I'll go ahead and run with the joke.

I put needles on the keys on my keyboard to make sure I can still feel anything. :’(

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know you're secretly Duemig.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is a stupid argument to make

No matter how true it might be, we haven’t lost to shitty lefties because they are shitty.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We may not win 12 in a row

But if we keep winning 8 of 10, we’ll be ok. This site always talks about SSS, you are crying at one game we got robbed in.

by RivalsTees on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Robertson hasn't gotten a start all season

Washburn is garbage
Porcello has been homer prone of late
Verlander is my pick for the Cy Young

Not sure how you see this series as anything but a chance to take 3/4.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aww I thought we were supposed to get EJax?

BTW, what happened to all the EJax groupies??? You know who you are. The guys saying what dumb trade that was.

Did you get a less in regression?

by RivalsTees on Aug 27, 2009 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently his unsustainable HR/FB from earlier in the year was in fact unsustainable and he has given up

dingers on a regular basis now. 12 homers in his last 9 games

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have Garza at 13.84 wins in my estimated wins workbook, E-Jax is at 13.44

Both have pitched 25 games. Jax has the better game to game FIP, but Garza has the slight edge in probability of a win due to our relatively better offense.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just speaking in a vacuum of pitching performance compared to pitching performance.

Not saying I think Edwin’s fantastic or anything, but he’s settled in nicely as a number three guy.

by Suttree on Aug 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No you're right that was my point

Garza, our supposed stud guy, has only been slightly better than Edwin.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stopped talking about it

because everyone got pissed and jumped all over me every time i said something. make up your mind as to what you want.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 27, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it's a chance at 3 out of 4.

But the Rays have done the exact opposite of what they should do in these situations. I don’t see how you can expect anything different then a win against Verlander and a loss against everyone else.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's retarded

You sound like a whiny little bitch who got his toy taken away from him when you say things like this. Time to suck it up nobody is going to have sympathy for us.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where the fuck are you saying that I expect sympathy?

I expect failure. This team has failed all season when they’ve NEEDED success. I don’t WANT them to lose, but I’m not expecting them to do anything other then what I’ve seen all year long, that is, lose stupid games they shouldn’t lose. It’s simple trending that has no statistical evidence; other then the fact that this is what’s happened all year long. Call it stupid, I don’t care. Call me wrong, I don’t care. Taunt me if I end up being wrong, I don’t care.

But my “we’re going to lose because that’s what’s happened all year long” is a much stronger argument then everyone else’s “we’re going to win because we HAVEN’T done it all year long” one.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're only remembering the bad things that have happened.

 How about taking both Boston games last time we saw them. Or beating up on Texas. All I’m saying is that it sounds like you’re having a hissy fit. Bring me some numbers and you might sway me. Anecdotal evidence, well you don’t even really have any evidence we just have to trust you, of a few games that we NEEDED TO WIN is poor at best. Everybody needs to win every game. The best still lose 40% of the time.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is

You Neggo Nancys really might be right. We might not make the playoffs. But its just too early to give in or to say anything definitively.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

We play the 'gers again?

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Arlington. September 25th-27th.

Potentially huge series. If we both maintain our pace and we beat Boston, that’s the playoffs right there.

by Suttree on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dizamntium.

Wonder what flights to Arlington are like for that weekend.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

....

Let’s make out.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

$89 bucks one way leaving 9/25 and returning 9/27

on SWA.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's revisit this in 2 weeks.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nipples like pogs or slammers?

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot I have church that weekend.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering we ow the tiebreaker on bosux

If we make up 1 every 10, doesn’t that put us where we need to be? They’re are much more crucial spans then this road trip for us, and home stand for boston.

by RivalsTees on Aug 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We were 3 games back 10 days ago

Now we’re 4. So, yeah.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, sorry, Texas was leading the WC then

So we’ve gone 4 back of Texas to 4 back of Boston

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 27, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's always easier to be negative in baseball.

Because nearly all events (most especially playoffs) favor disappointment.

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

THE BEST TEAMS LOSE 40% OF THE TIME

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best players fail 60%

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by PlayOnWords on Aug 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ted Williams fucking sucked

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, gameday had kazmir's 100th pitch at 95 mph

while the tampa and toronto tv guns had him in the high 80’s practically all night

so my question is, was he really throwing 93-95 last night

or is gameday a little quick and he was at 91-92 like he has been most of the time since he got back

by Schmidt on Aug 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Brooks has him averaging 93.11 max of 95.4

Seems like he had a ton of life last night. Nobody could square up the heater and quite a few whiffs on it.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Kaz

So cute

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For the lulz

by SRQman on Aug 27, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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