Report: Scott Kazmir NOT Traded to Angels for Alexander Torres and Matthew Sweeney
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
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The Rays will get pitcher Alexander Torres and third baseman Matthew Sweeney in return in the deal, which is expected to be announced later today.
Sweeney is a 21-year-old left-handed bat who plays third base but will probably end up at first. He's a big guy, 6'3" and packs about 215 pounds. He'll remind you of Aubrey Huff. The story on him is power and walks. In 240 High-A plate appearances he's hit .300/.381/.519 in the Cal League where the league average is .270/.341/.416. He missed 2008 with an ankle injury, so who knows how good his defense is, but he's not sticking at third with the Rays anyways. The problem with Sweeney so far is that he can't stay healthy.
Torres is also 21-years-old and left-handed. Right now he's in Double-A where he's struck out about a batter per inning. He gets groundballs thanks to a good sinking fastball. He's small (5'10") with some control issues in tow.
And now MLB.com says it fell through.
And now Joel Sherman says it's definitely done.
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not sure about this, kaz is starting to look good
seems he could get more in the offseason, of course i dont know very much about these prospects
by Schmidt on Aug 28, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what the fuck is this
so now 3.5 out means we trade young lefties who are looking awesome and under control for a few more years? fuck tha
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
He's not looking awesome, and he's under control for a steep price
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite the opposite, this could be a move to help resign CC
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
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that is the only reason, I havent killed my other dog yet
I want Davis up and CC resigned
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Am I the only one not upset?
I mean it depends who the prospects are. I haven’t had a chance to look at them yet
Bring Your Z-Game!
If one performance would have given us Torres, given Kamir's history
FUck yeah I do that deal.
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And he shouldnt be criticized...
We’ll have to see how it pans out
Torres
14) Alexander Torres, LHP, Grade C+: 10-3, 2.74 with a 124/63 K/BB in 121 innings for Rancho, just promoted to Double-A where he’s 2-1, 3.60 with a 17/14 K/BB in 20 innings. Needs to improve command, but gets lots of ground balls and fans people.
Don’t know shit about Sweeney.
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He's a first baseman in the making. Think Huff.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
dont be so sure
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by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This
And 10 pot dealers in the Tampa Bay area just went out of business
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prospects
Alexander Torres, LHP, Grade C+: 10-3, 2.74 with a 124/63 K/BB in 121 innings for Rancho, just promoted to Double-A where he’s 2-1, 3.60 with a 17/14 K/BB in 20 innings. Needs to improve command, but gets lots of ground balls and fans people.
C+ was a preseason score, have to imagine it will go up.
Sweeney – 3B, Big power, can’t really find a scouting report, so stats in a moment
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Sweeney as a 21 year old in A+
.300/.381/.519
wOBA of .390
That’s sexy
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Less Sexy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I f****d that one up.
Made a knee-jerk comment in order to pile on raymondo for making knee-jerk comments.
Your source for replacement level commentary
wOBA of .396 as a 21 year old in the cal league
Look at the whole portrait please
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Statcorner has his wOBA as .392 and the league OBA is .350.
I’m not saying he’s good. I’m saying the league is an extreme hitters league.
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Of course it is
MLB average wOBA is like .340
Would you say a .380 wOBA guy can’t hit?
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I didn't say he can't hit.
I said the Cal league is an extreme hitters league. That’s all.
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Lots of people in the Angels organization have murdered it and haven't turned out as well as we'd expect.
Listen, I have no idea how good he is. I can’t find a scouting report on the internet. I’m sure there’s one somewhere in a BA book, but I don’t have that. I’m not knocking the deal, I’m just not ecstatic. I’m in a wait and see mode. I do know I’m not a fan of pitchers listed at 5’10".
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Goldstein likes him, doesn't love him.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be cool if he was a lefty lincecum
/unrealistic expectations
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I wasn't sure about the newish park in Double-A (Arkansas)
Your source for replacement level commentary
It pretty much is. It's unreliable not compiled by a large company like BIS as in MLB.
It’s done by random people at the ball park who aren’t professionals
Tools Whore
Especially the Cal League
Which apparently has the strictest interpretation of line drives out there.
Everyone loved Scott Kazmir.
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At least you are being objective
instead of making knee-jerk comments.
Your source for replacement level commentary
I really like Torres.
Seems like Jr. Kaz.
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But the good one.
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I would guess both.
Rosters expand in five days. Might use Kaz’s place for spot starters.
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First reaction was "We're punting the season."
But, instead of continuing to make knee jerk assumptions, I took the time to check out the prospects and think about the deal.
If anything, this means we’ll actually have the funds to hold onto Carl.
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by Graham MacAree on Aug 28, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like you and i'm sure the feeling is mutual
You obviously are in some sort of research, cause you’d be shredded in the business world
I'm sure everybody here agrees its without warrant
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Fo9r this "Longo had a nice series"
or the other night before i posted?
Neither of those was me
I only ban you when you say retarded things that are retarded.
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No, I'm going to continue calling you a fucktard.
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Just ignore him
Rule #1 Don’t feed the trolls
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
CCBJDJ
Inches closer to reality.
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ANDREW FRIEDMAN IS GAWD
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WOOOOOOOOOOOO
LOOKS LIKE WE WON THIS TRADE
Selgy
by mittens on Aug 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would now like to take a moment to thank Lou Piniella
for completely overworking Kaz for two straight years in which we won a combined ~125 games and thus killing his production moving forward. I miss Kitty Kaz already
it would?
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Who else has the stuff to K 10 of those rascally ol Blue Jays who traded two of their best hitters and are getting career runs from also ran middle infielders??? WHO???
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We have capable Kazplacements.
As I said, rosters expand before Kaz’s next start comes up. Use any combo of Sonny/Davis/whoever as a spot starter, based on matchups.
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Who would we have gotten back that was any better?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense but you're not a GM
Say you go into the winter with the idea of trading him and everyone else gets wind of it. You get lowballed by everybody so now you can either take the lesser package or not be sure if you can clear that 10M in time for the meat market. Losing Kaz does very little to affect our playoff odds.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
About time they trade this slacker!
:) Kidding. We shall see how this one turns out.
So the Rays are saying 2009 is over
this is not the message I expected to see still in the Wild Card hunt.
Not really.
Kaz has been a bad pitcher for the past two seasons. If Wade Davis can be league average, or Sonny can be what he was last year, we’re in any worse of a position.
true Kaz has struggled since the injury
but was turning it around, and still being in the hunt, you want the experience he has. Davis hasn’t pitched in MLB and Sonny still can’t get righties out
We'll see.
I don’t think it’s a bad trade. Kaz has had what… three legitimately good starts this year? The 10ks were great, but it’s fucking Kaz. Who knows if he’s going to replicate that again? Might as well get some pieces to keep up in the competition down the line, and give Davis/Sonny a shot.
i'm not saying its a bad trade
I guess we are moving the 3B to a future 1B since we have Evan, but we are still in reach for the Wild Card. So you think its time to look towards 2010 now?
Why do you hate me, Faery Rebel?
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Its a fine line
Were still trying to make the playoffs this year, but were building for the future at the same time. When the opportunity is there to get better moving forward, and we believe we have legitimate replacements for the pieces we are moving, then we make the deal. I think between Davis or Sonny, in this small of a sample size, were really not losing that much this season.
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 28, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the equivalent of dropping the girlfriend in junior year that was hot, but "inconsistent", who also was
beginning to cost too much to take out, so you now focus on the ‘true’ freshmen coming onto campus who dig upperclassmen.
Welcome to DRB, Mr. Simmons.
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Also she has missed time with various vag injuries
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I....
…
don’t know what to say.
Where can we find scouting reports on these guys?
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is this strictly a cost dumping move?
If it frees up money to resign CC then I’m all for it. If not, it’s kinda hard to be in favor of trading a good LHP for a couple low level prospects.
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no that's true. I guess we won't know if this trade was a good (there's that word again) one until we see how it plays out
and who we resign, ect…
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by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait until next year when we get to do the...
2009 – “I LOVE EDWIN BAD TRADE OMG!!!”
2010 – “HOLY SHIT KAZ IS BETTER THAN OUR AA 1B, FRIEDMAN SUCKS”
Count me out
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Double A is hardly low level...
Torres is intriguing to me.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm as a big a Kaz fan as any
I thought this was a joke at first, but after I pushed my jaw back into place and looked at the numbers I don’t hate this trade. Emotions are a terrible obstacle, but Torres sounds like a young Kaz and Sweeney is raking (granted its in the PCL). If this puts us in a position to go get Craw locked up as well as Garza then kudos Mr. Friedman.
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Why?
You’ll always have the shirt and you can still root for him. Meanwhile this is a good business move that further stocks our arms, but gives us a legit power bat. You can’t learn power, Zobrist excluded.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you want to keep Garza?
I can’t keep up with you.
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One or the other had to go
Pros and cons to both. Kazmir gives us almost 16% of our payroll back. Garza was more about getting a good haul. We got 2 decent spects and still created the payroll flexibility. I’ve said all along that I would try to get Garza to something like 4/35 and if he won’t go for that trade him for a great package.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been thinking of using my real name for awhile, I just didn't want to lose the history on here
End of an era, either way.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Torres is not a young Kaz
Kaz had tons of hype/press/scouting reports
i think i remember hearing about Torres once earlier this year during team top 20s
What do those 3 things mean exactly?
He’s also in the CAL league now where his numbers are artificially inflated. Lets get him on the right coast and maybe sneak him on the AFL team.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
those 3 mean that a guy is generally very talented
its not unpossible for a guy to be a sleeper and improve, but Kaz had been heralded as a HS pitcher…. Torres can’t be that great if he is getting no hype/press
Who heard of Hellboy before 3 weeks ago, not including people like us?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Who heard of Shields until he burst on the scene?
I could go on and on, I don’t like hyped guys when they have a sense of entitlement
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I have
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like numbers over hype
I wish Torres had gone a couple more times in the CAL league just to see how he did in those hitter parks. On the bright side, maybe bringing in a fellow Mexican helps Garza sign longterm.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw no hype nor press for him prior to a couple of weeks ago.
How many people pay as much attention as you or Hulet or some of the better minor league writers? Maybe it is just my own slight ignorance, but I don’t think too many people knew Hellboy last year.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hellboy has also dominated AA and AAA
I imagine a lot of guys don’t throw a party when a guy dominates A and then does well in 5 AA starts.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
East coast bias
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Only half joking
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
People have been talking about Hellickson since Hudson Valley.
And not just Rays fans.
Tools Whore
As I acknowledged somwhere in here I'm not as big a follower of the minors
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a borderline first round pick coming out of High School.
But because he was under 6’ at the time (he’s grown) and from Iowa fell to the third round. He was a Top-50 prospect according to some publications (Milb) coming into this year.
Tools Whore
"Torres can’t be that great if he is getting no hype/press"
I like you, daveh33, here and on minorleagueball, but this is Heater-esque, man.
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if someone is good, then someone would be talking about it. yes?
i’m not saying he’s not good…. but there would be some posts somewhere asking “Is this Torres guy worth drafting in my keeper league?” or “Is Torres a top 100 prospect?” if he was a surefire top 100 guy…. which I was hoping we would get for Kaz.
There are countless examples of unhyped guys coming good and of hyped guys busting.
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And vice-versa to be fair
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In the thick of the race, we trade the Red Sox and Yankee slayer
We should of tried for more in the off season or at least gotten a good young C in a deal
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Yes, I'm sure Friedman just took the first deal offered.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point is that he didn't HAVE to make a deal now.
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by stpetelawyer on Aug 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
In Toe?
In tow?
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by staplemaniac on Aug 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck with Cracker Matsuzaka.
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lol
we have hope.. :P
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How much are Sweeney's numbers inflated by the PCL?
I don’t know much about Rancho.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bees play in a homerun-happy park....
so…..
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by vlad IS my man on Aug 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, I confused the 2
Point still stands, both leagues are pretty offense inflated, no? Look at what Briggy did when he was there:
.326/.382/.557/.939
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
he’d be a .796 OPS guy at Vero instead of a .896 guy in Rancho per minorleague splits MLE calculator
by spidurfan on Aug 28, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for looking that up.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kazmir's next start is September 1st
Thinking Davis makes that start
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
it just seems like... with the hauls for guys like Freddy Sanchez....
we couldn’t get a borderline top 100 spect for Kaz?
And had Sweeney never gotten injured he'd be a big bat prospect
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Well he's 19 in AA
I’m sure that has to count for something, aren’t we always giving leeway for high upside?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah it's 2009
my bad
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What are your thoughts, then?
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Don't have many right now. Trying to gather information.
But as you know I’m a tools whore and 1B have to kill the ball to be even useful and short pitchers end up as relievers usually so that’s not exactly what I was hoping for in return for Kaz.
Tools Whore
I'll give you 10 million reasons to like this
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don't like any of them.
I don’t dislike this deal, I also don’t like it either.
Tools Whore
Sounds like a pretty fair deal if you don't hate it one way or the other
Could we have gotten more, maybe, but i think the likelihood of getting less was greater.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I don't hate it yet. I might still.
I really don’t like the idea of getting a short pitcher with command problems and a future 1B who’s not anywhere on Sickles Top-20 or BA’s Top-10.
I’ve already decided I’m not a huge fan of Torres, but Sweeney I’m on the fence about.
Tools Whore
Short pitchers are the new market inefficiency
I’d like to see Sweeney stay healthy for a season and mash as a Biscuit next year.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm the other way
Sweeney seems like a Huff best posible outcome, with Kotchman-like injuries.
Torres is undersized, but gets good K’s, and is young ARL
Sickels list was for last year.
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Understood. So was BA's.
Relievers just aren’t very valuable and I just don’t see Torres being a starter, particularly in this organization. The best reliever ever is only worth about 3 wins a season. That severely limits someone’s ceiling and value.
And 1B are a dime a dozen. Take a look at Wes Bankston’s 21 year old numbers. A power hitting 1B prospect with huge power.
Tools Whore
Does 2 inches really make a difference (TWSS)?
He’s not 5’4…
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seems like nothing more than a salary dumb
I really hope we give Garza a long term deal or keep CC around longer
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Really?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
timing is odd
Still right there for the WC, he has been doing great as of late and he kills certain teams like the Red Sox, Yankess, and Rangers..
I would simply wait til the off season
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Perhaps Mr. Friedman saw this as a sell high opportunity
The cascade of the wave was nice, but we all agree that he’s damaged goods.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove me wrong Scotty
I loved to see him doing well, but he won’t be the guy he was 2 years ago ever again. Unless, of course, he gets TJS like he should have last year. I’m glad he will be dl’d on someone elses dime.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A "salary dump"
that brings in two legitimate prospects
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember earlier in this thread when you said this:
what the fuck is this
so now 3.5 out means we trade young lefties who are looking awesome and under control for a few more years? fuck tha
Is it a salary “dumb” or not?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oops, typo
I still wanna know more about the spects before I can really say salary dump or not, just pissed right now
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Perhaps you should learn first, speak second
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Infinite
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries, loss of velocity, command, and inconsistency.
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10M next year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
One injury and one "injury"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Sweeney hit lefties?
What kind of injuries are we talking about? Looks like he missed most of June-July.
Your source for replacement level commentary
soooo
Scott Kazmir is still in the Rays clubhouse in exercise shorts and said he hasn’t been told anything about a deal and thought reporters who asked him about it were kidding.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
wow surprising
kazmir is injury prone and has a huge contract, but angels didnt even give up any upper minors prospects
The more I think about it
I can’t believe we got someone to give us something and take that contract off our hands
Bring Your Z-Game!
Our upper minors are pretty well stocked, we don't have much below that positionally.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahahahahaha
injuryexpert Kazmir will work out of the pen for angels.
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
So two above average prospects for a $10m reliever.
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All over Facebook, and The Heater
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO WILL BE OUR LHP????
OH, DAVID PRICE???
WELL, WE NEED TWOO!!
OH, WE DIDN’T LAST YEAR???
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wading into The Heater for reaction as we speak...
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMMIT THEIR REACTION SEEMS REASONABLE AND MEASURED!!!!!!!!!!!!
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They hate Kaz
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove it.
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Trading Kazmir isn’t a bad move considering the Rays are paying him like an ace and are getting nothing close to that in production. I don’t think there is any evidence that his recent success will stick.
However, Sweeney and Torres aren’t even going to be in the top 10 as far as prospects in our system. Seems like the Angels got a deal.
Posted by: PDS | August 28, 2009 at 04:42 PM
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree.
Except that he’s going to be a reliever. Still, Top 20 in our system is pretty good.
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Look, lets not expect miracles here
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This is "our" perspective.... ( by rghan)
Matt Sweeney is one of the few legitimate Halos’ power prospects. The twenty-one year old has put up a .299/.379/.517 line with 9 homeruns in 211 High A at-bats this season. He’s missed significant time this year with a chipped hip bone, and lost all of last season to bone chips and ligament damage in his ankle. His ceiling at the plate is quite high, and he was reportedly making great strides in his third base defense before his June injury.
Twenty-one year old Alex Torres has been a revelation over the past two years. In two half seasons at High A Rancho Cucamonga, Torres went 13 and 5 with a 3.12 ERA and 186 strikeouts over 173.1 innings. Since his promotion to AA at the close of July of this year, he’s gone 3 and 1 with a 2.77 ERA and 25 strikeouts in 26 innings. He’s made it through the sixth inning twice in five tries. Like Kazmir, he racks up K’s but struggles to go deep in games due to high pitch counts. Unlike Kazmir, he records most of his other outs on the ground, instead of in the air.
My gut reaction: I don’t like this move.
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
How do you feel about it knowing that he's now a LOOGY?
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweeney seems like Mr. Glass.
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He's less of a dick than rglass from what I've heard
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This is nice btw:
Unlike Kazmir, he records most of his other outs on the ground, instead of in the air.
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
We traded the best pitcher in franchise history, who is only 26, for the Angels No. 18 and 24 prospects. Seriously? We couldn’t get anyone in their top 10? We’ll see if it works out but im not liking this one bit right now.
The best pitcher in franchise history has been pretty bad over the last two years (especially this year) and costs a shitload of money
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
serious?
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FUCKING FINALLY
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
never thought it would happen
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by staplemaniac on Aug 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
godspeed Kaz!
I guess this means my pre-season prediction for him shutting out the Mets twice in the World Series is down the drain now?? hee, hee…
Eh, he needs a change of scenery. Not to be bittersweet about this – clearly – he was not the same pitcher physically as he was in 2007 but I’m not so sure his mental capabilities (as in: “Devil Rays attitude”) have changed much since then… turn the page, because the best part of the Kazmir as a Ray chapter is over anyway.
Let Shields run the clubhouse amongst the pitchers now… he’s MUCH better suited as a leader of men anyway.
If you're not having fun, what are you having? There's already WAAAY too many serious moments in life.
In other news
Rangers should of blocked the Angels from getting him
I guess they didnt want to take the chance of taking on that contract
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Torres last 3 games in AA have been very impressive
Here’s his last 10:
Date Level IP R ER H 2B 3B HR SO BB
August 25 AA @ Tulsa 6.0 0 0 2 1 0 0 8 3
August 20 AA vs. Corpus Christi 5.0 1 1 6 1 0 0 6 4
August 15 AA @ San Antonio 6.0 0 0 4 0 1 0 4 2
August 9 AA vs. NW Arkansas 3.1 7 5 6 1 0 0 4 4
August 4 AA @ Springfield 5.2 2 2 5 2 0 0 3 4
July 28 A+ vs. Modesto 8.0 0 0 5 0 0 0 6 2
July 23 A+ vs. Inland Empire 6.2 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 2
July 18 A+ @ Inland Empire 5.0 5 4 5 1 0 0 5 5
July 13 A+ vs. Lake Elsinore 6.0 1 1 8 1 0 0 6 1
July 8 A+ vs. Lancaster 7.0 3 2 3 0 0 2 8 3
H/T http://firstinning.com/players/Alexander-Torres-a/
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Kazmir hated the fan base, Hickey, and only re-signed here because of his arm.
I doubt he’s sad about moving on.
and the potential to do TFF commercials tongue-in-cheek
Run differential suggests '09 > '08. Actual results may vary.
Anaheim is far from Toronto
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He only hated Hickey because when he listened to his advice, he failed.
When he stopped listening to his advice, he had a 4/1 K/BB ratio and went on to absolutely obliterate the league.
Tools Whore
seems speculative. do you have proof of that?
by ValricoBrian on Aug 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We have empiracle evidence that suggests this to be the case.
Hickey moved him to the other side of the rubber (don’t remember which side) and he struggled the first 10 or so starts in 2007. When he (very publicly mind you) switched sides of the rubber, he immediately dominated and was absolutely fantastic the rest of the season finishing with the ML lead in K’s only Jake Peavy got to pitch in the Padres 163rd and over took him.
Tools Whore
His slider's not there.
And if our scouts and doctors thought it would ever come back, I don’t think we’d have traded him. I expect him to be a slightly above-average starter given health, but I don’t think 2007 is likely again.
Tools Whore
OK. Noted. I remember the whole switching issue. It was a move from the left side to the right side that helped him.
However, the right side is where he has been last year and this year, so seems like a short term solution. It just gets on my nerves when I hear a ‘golden boy’ type pitcher bitching about the pitching coach. Fact remains, Kaz was a hyper-analyst of his own mechanics, which is a dangerous game. Too much between the ears going on while in the game or in the bully. Like Crash said, ’don’t think, just throw’. That needed to be the philosophy from Hickey to Kaz, in my opinion.
by ValricoBrian on Aug 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero opinions on pitching mechanics because I know nothing about them.
They are very complicated.
Tools Whore
Time to sign Brad Penny
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Halos Heaven is using Raymondo's posts as the Voice of the Rays Fan in their thread.
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Funny 'cause it's true!
plus it’s also pretty funny.
If you're not having fun, what are you having? There's already WAAAY too many serious moments in life.
he's gonna start the year like edwin this season
and there’s gonna be a lot of wrist slicing on this site.
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by staplemaniac on Aug 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What if he does well in their pen?
OMGZ FUTURE CLOSER!
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Roy Halladay, Zack Greinke, Felix Hernandez, and Jon Lester were traded???
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But that means they're still in the A.L.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
you forgot EJax
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by staplemaniac on Aug 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Shocking...
It really is.
We can all bash Kaz now and say that he wasn’t very good, but he’s been the “name” of the staff for the past five years. Just a surprising move.
A look ahead at 2010
1. James Shields
2. Matt Garza
3. David Price
4. Jeff Niemann
5. Wade Davis
unless Sonny finds his way in there
Hellickson if Davis or Niemann are doing really bad
I already miss Kazmir but still a awesome and young rotation
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
The only thing I don't like is we traded him to a contender
If they plan on making the playoffs, Kaz is a lefty.. He’ll probably shut us down
There is no way he pitches out of the pen
Not a chance. These idiots have no idea what they’re talking about.
And if they do, well, we need to fire our GM.
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#34
y'all are doing a fine job of breaking down the prospects we'll get in return, BUT
can we focus on the TIMING of this move? how will this resonate in the locker room when we’re something like 3 games out of the WC? players aren’t going to see this in the sophisticated light that we are. they’re going to see a guy tossed away for two young guys who aren’t going to help with the playoff push. just super.
They have millions of reasons to cry later and win now.
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If it was a standup guy than maybe, but Kaz's nonchalance isn't a great way to be an effective leader
Without knowing what goes on behind closed doors it didn’t seem like he was a leader type guy and that’s fine, but I to your point I think that plays a big part.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't worry about these things
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can smell the Boston on you when you act like this
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It won't matter you'll still be better than all of us combined
in your mind
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Before arbitration
2010 payroll is now 30 mil
give Garza a deal please
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
here
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT1ovtFrstrjWQ
remove Kazmirs money
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
should give us the cance to make CC a life long Ray I would hope
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by staplemaniac on Aug 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
CC salary
Why is CC listed as $1.25M in this sheet?
That's the buyout for the option probably
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sad. i remember kaz shutting the white sox down in the ALDS last year.
i was at that game. it was special.
any chance
they let sweeney finish out the year in montgomery?
Hahaha, never mind, The Heater is in full mother fuckin swing
Great dump of $$$$
Now get rid of Burrell.Upton and the two Gabes and we will be on the way to improve this week hitting team.
Lets bring up some minor leagers and give them a shot in Sept.
Posted by: jjp | August 28, 2009 at 05:06 PM
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
TAKE THAT HICKEY YOU FUCKING DRUNK
It is WAY PAST the time for Xavier Hernandez to replace Jim (another round) Hickey.I hope it happens soon!!
Posted by: MarkFidrych | August 28, 2009 at 05:15 PM
How long before Hickey screws up this guy?
Posted by: John | August 28, 2009 at 05:12 PM
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Another Round
That’s fantastic.
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PART DEUX
Kaz escapes the genius of the Rays pitching coach, who’s rotation is totally out of wack. Wonder how all six guys could suddenly go sour….
Time to SOBER UP!Posted by: mockdraught | August 28, 2009 at 05:08 PM
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
When did Hickey's alcoholism become a Heater meme?
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RIGHT FUCKING NOW
/ignores BJ Upton’s DUI
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in love with it.
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Was that JP Peterson?
The dumb ass this was a salary dump, then says it’s saving them 1.4 mil. Yeah that sounds like a salary dump to me
JP "Deathly afraid of blacks" Peterson?
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
look at the pitching talent from last yr
now either gone or has regressed…that the Rays are still contending despite some of these pitchers is pretty amazing
hammel
jackson
kazmir
sonnastine
crazy offseason trade idea…rawford for brett anderson and andrew bailey…would rays do that?
I know I would in a fucking heartbeat
Love me some Brett Anderson
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes they would because the Athletics would be insane to offer it
by Graham MacAree on Aug 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
they might be hesitant on anderson
een then they’d still have cahill, braden, gio, outman, mortensen, eveland, simmons, etc which isnt terrible depth
i could see them selling high on bailey since they still have devine (if healthy), wuertz, ziegler, etc
by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ballin' on a budget
now let’s catch those f’ers in Boston
Alright a friend has too many beers and needs help drinking them, I'm outta here
RJ, in the meantime can you check to see if the username “Hitler Hitlerson” is still available. I think it’s time for a change.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Hanging out with Jim Hickey right before a game?
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Dibs on D'AlCapone AlPacino Harris
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Please do this
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a mod, make it do
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
NO WAIT IT HAS TO BE D'AlCapone AlPacino Morris not harris
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
EL OH EL
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 28, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Chastain'd
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Re-cock-u-lous
Run differential suggests '09 > '08. Actual results may vary.
I still want to change my name to Hitler Hitlerson
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
TampaScott says
Whether its a tired arm, control issues, etc. He is on a playoffs contender and is 8-7 with his K’s way down, a 6 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP. Those stats are a true indication of how he’s pitched.
What a ballsack
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Question - when do the pitchers (and to a lessor degree catchers) impact the game
in a positive fashion, and we not look to the pitching coach to figure out our problems? I am not a friend or relative of Hickey, but seems the hate toward him is a bit of a joke. Where was all the hate last year? Same guy, mostly same staff, different results across the board this year. Bottom line is they have not executed the pitches as well this year as they did last year. Just like a manager doesn’t really have a huge impact once the little kids say, “play ball”, neither does the pitching coach. Not saying he is a good mental or mechanics coach, but at some point you have to say the pitchers need to do their jobs.
I kinda like Hickey...
Although he sucks at golf.
If you're not having fun, what are you having? There's already WAAAY too many serious moments in life.
by Manny Stiles on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
...that's what I said!
If you're not having fun, what are you having? There's already WAAAY too many serious moments in life.
by Manny Stiles on Aug 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
trade falls through
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090828&content_id=6663260&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Friend:why do you love ripping on Jeff Francoeur?
Me: Because hes an idiot, who posseses huge physical tools but will not, nay, cannot, harness those tools into any sembelance of usable baseball skill and refuses to make any effort to do so. Hes like a tragic greek figure. doomed by his own stupidity and 80 raw power.
It's already on the internet! It HAS to be true!!!!
N ooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
It HAS to be true!!!! It’s even on ESPN2!!!
(damned… so close that a deal HAS to be made now, eh?)
If you're not having fun, what are you having? There's already WAAAY too many serious moments in life.
Eh...
I still have my hopes, but it’s extremely unlikely that we’ll make the playoffs this year. Kaz has had some very strong starts since returning from the DL — especially his last one. The motto is “Buy Low and Sell High.” Well, we’re selling higher on Kaz now than at any previous point in this season, and we’re still only getting decent but lower-level prospects. That means that, a couple of months ago, we probably couldn’t have gotten anything at all for Kazmir. I think other teams catch on to his lack of enthusiasm for playing in Tampa, as well as his unpredictability. Someone who doesn’t want to be in a city or play for that city’s fans should just be sent somewhere else at the first, best opportunity.
So I’m fine with this. Our club is very young and we need to always look down the road of the next five years.
GMs that would look at his last 6 starts in deciding whether he is "good"
are not good GMs
Run differential suggests '09 > '08. Actual results may vary.
I would normally agree, but not here.
He went on the DL to fix specific things about his mechanics, and for the most part, doing that has shown some good results. He was in total meltdown mode for the first couple of months, and now he’s back to looking serviceable.
That’s different from saying, “Yeah, JP Howell pitched great for so long, but look how badly he’s done this month.” That change is probably just a matter of mere regression, not something that signifies a drastic change of approach.
I'm gonna drink until this is all erased from my memory.
I’m just going to leave myself a note not to visit DRB until this thread is gone.
Huston Street is cleaning out his locker!
by GvilleRay on Aug 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still see it happening in the offseason
but the timing of this made no sense
welcome back Kaz!
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Uh
Let’s just say I’m really glad this deal didn’t happen
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well, fuck
This is a dumb deal
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
bye again Kazmir
this reminds me of the rides at six flags
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Think AF tried to sneak Conger in there?
PDATE, 5:25: Maddon’s office door is closed. There’s also talk that the game might not start till after 9 due to the rain. UPDATE,5;20: Kazmir said he talked to his agent and was told the Rays were still working on things
Roller coaster here, I wonder if the deal is back on and if any players were added
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I love Kaz
He’s my all-time favorite Rays pitcher, BUT… I love the prospects of this Alex Torres kid. A strikeout an inning with groundball tendencies to boot? Sign me up.
An Aubrey Huff clone isn’t bad, either.
Hello.
Kaz is about 5'10
He’s not the prospect Kazmir was coming up, but he’s promising and Kaz’s trade value isn’t what it used to be. That’s the unfortunate truth.
Hello.
So let's sell low!
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if his slider isn't coming back and I don't think it is, you have to sell sometime.
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I would rather wait and see than make a trade like this
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Aubrey was a bit of a dick, so I'll pass on the non-hitter aspects of his skill set.
by ValricoBrian on Aug 28, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And seriously, what kind of bullshit town is Baltimore anyway.
You know you’re thinking the same thing if you have to move there
Please tell me we're changing the deal to
Jim Hickey for a pitching machine. Doesn’t even have to be new
can we make a trade with MLB?
All umps for robots
we can toss in cash and Brian Shouse’s dinner
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I have a better idea
How about we don’t trade Kazmir for two B- prospects.
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now they say deal is done lol
angels take on kazmir 2yr/20mill contract
Says who?
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Goddamn.
Dealing Kazmir for prospects says to me #Rays think his body is timebomb plus want $ for other offseason item, maybe can keep crawford now
I bet they're still giving it time
So the angels can quickly sign Victor Zambrano and add him to the deal. It’ll be like a gag gift from Spencer’s
by Albertrayon on Aug 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
UPDATE, 5:40; Latest word is there will be an announcement of the deal within an hour.
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i wonder what rich harden is worth now
type A FA, but only signed for a month
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