Sherman: "Kazmir Definitely Going to LAA"
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 5:51 PM EDT
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PrintJoel Sherman is on top of this deal. No official word either way yet. Analysis when something gets finalized.
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JP: Dude, you’re… wait.
SK: Whoa.
JP: Hang on.
SK: SUSPENSE, MAN.
JP: lol, yeah, you’re traded still
SK: :(
JP: Dude, bigger crowds. Better weed.
SK: SWEET.
JP: lol, you’re gonna be a reliever.
SK: …
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
why in the name of all things sacred would they make him a reliever when they need SP help.
it sounds like a horribly false rumor.
This means nothing, but whatever:
SI_JonHeymani still think #angels are getting kazmir. #rays will get 3b matthew sweeney, p alexander torres and a PTBNL.
This is what I'm hoping. Mike Scioscia clearly hates him.
I’m not holding my breath, but this would make me happy with the deal.
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sean rodriguez?
brandon wood? kidding, but they seem to have no use for either of those guys
Well that could be good.
I would assume the PTBNL would be on the 40 man.
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im sorry
this trade just sucks, ya i see the money side but do it after the season, hes been solid, he is a big name, been to a couple all star games and was a strikeout leader, to get a A prospect and AA prospect not even ranked in the top 100, just sounds rediculous, is he not at least worth a proven player? just sad.
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it could be if it means long term deal for Garza or keeping CC
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
That greedy darkie.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ya at least get better then a 'maybe theyll be good in a few years' players
i hope it turns out not to be true
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, surprised to hear this
Ready to hear what is finalized.
1010 AM is talking about DRB also
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The PTBNL is never a big-time(or even semi big-time) prospect
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
false
sometimes player that was drafted within last year, or currently injured
I know the rule
but has that ever really happened? I can’t think of any recent ones
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We traded Kazmir for two guys who won't crack our top 10 prospects.
Wonderful.
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To be fair, our top 10 is legit.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather deal Kazmir or Crawford?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford
Higher return
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Dealing Kazmir may help us keep Crawford.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends. If we get a Tex deal, CC.
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i think its not trading kazmir im annoyed with
its the return
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there are alot of players making less than 10mil
that a on the top 100 prospect list, trade for one of them
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Though I am sad about Kazmir
Friedman is no Mark Shapiro. I’m sure there was a bit more to it and we will all be going “Hey remember when we hated trading Kaz?”
if you look at the other thread I was pissed and calling this dumb
but thinking about it, I dont think its about the spects, I think its about the money to give a long term deal to some one
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
yeah
I can totally see it. I mean. It’s the gurantee of getting 2 or more great players over losing all of them.
Word we're getting is Kazmir deal should be finalized within an hour. Still nothing from #Rays.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Re-sign. CC. NOW.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease (and take a discount, thanks CC).
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
I admit that my view is biased(Kazmir is basically the reason I'm a Rays fan)
but trying to be as objective as I can, this haul isn’t worth him. And if it is, I wouldn’t sell this low on Kazmir.
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yeah and i think this is going to be a hard sell to fans, and attendance will probably suffer for it.
which is unfortunate.
But Kazmir won't be around to complain about it!
Who’s laughing now!
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yea too bad we couldn't get mike napoli
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it wasn't fim having only one decnt sp
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If kaz goes on dl in cali
Would he be able to get a script for medicinal marry J
Then watch people say NO ONE SAW THIS COMING like when Edwin started pitching well
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, oh well.
It was either CC or Kaz. Someone was gone.
If he has a good season, it’s beyond our control. Not like we gave up a guy with a team friendly contract.
i hope mlb.com is right
if i was an angels fan id be excited to get scott kazmir for 2 not even top 10 prospects
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you thought he would fetch two top 10s, you're a little off.
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but at least one wouldve made more sense
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If by "made more sense" you mean "would have made me happy", maybe.
Face it, he hasn’t really put up stellar numbers that makes a team want to give up two top 10 prospects. Sucks, I know.
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not 2007's Scott Kazmir. This is the bottom line.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont think we couldve gotten more?
the guys had an off year but he did make the all star game last year, hes only 25, Not time to sell this low
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mlb.com says deal fell through…. hmmm
"I have to return some videotapes."
by TallahasseeJagFan on Aug 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
DEAL FELL THROUGH
KAZMIR IS STILL A RAY!!!!!
This isn’t a joke, its not going to happen, deal fell through
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
Source plx
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
mlb.com at 5:06 PM
main story
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 28, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it is 6:15 now
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't come in with hour-old news like it's just breaking.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry....i just got home.and I didn't notice the time
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but still MLB.com is reporting no deal
and I hope there isn’t one
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
…..oh sorry.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but Tompkin tweeted at 5:00 that is was a done deal
and MLB did there story 6 minutes later saying it fell through so its legitimate
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when this post was done at 5:51. Look at the title.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no it's not.
Mark Topkin Tweeted at 6:00 PM that the deal would be announced within the hour. You’re posting old news in a thread that has current news.
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still nothing from the Rays
They aren’t getting a good return. This is stupid
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 28, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen I've spent a thread and a half hating the deal from a value stand point.
But we get a PTBNL and we have no idea who that is so I’m no longer making any judgement about the deal until I know who that is.
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Is this the first time or the second time it fell through
Cause we did this once already…
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.com once reported Jason Bay was a Ray
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
damn you for reminding me about that
mlb.com was my only hope
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good lord you guys suck.
He was making far more than he has been worth. The team needed to dump his salary. We were all set to send him to LA 3 weeks ago at the trade deadline. If you’re going to quit being a fan because one player got dealt, I hear the Bucs have plenty of good seats still available.
If this means we get CC and/or Garza long-term? I’d have traded Kaz for a box of rocks.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
we arent the '04 devil rays anymore
or the pirates
or the indians
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we are in the playoff hunt
we dont need to deal for prospects at the moment the season isnt dead
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But it's still a business. You don't make a guy the top-paid player on your team when he's spotty.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm Why would we sign Garza LT?
He is a #3 with a good Rep. Trade him all the way
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a bingo
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
stop this reasoning
You mean we shouldn’t pay him ace money to be lg average or worse?
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
10 million per is nowhere near ace money.
10 million is a 2.5 win player.
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I mean Rays ace money.
Not Vincente Padilla Texas Ranger 4th starter money.
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta do better than that
Arbitrary date ranges isn’t the way to go. Scott has struggled over the past year, but don’t we trust track record here. His track record is better than Cliff Lee
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what track record do we use?
Lee sucked for a long while and then had a great year and a half.
Kaz was great for numerous years and had a bad year and a half.
Like I said don’t we trust track records? I mean sure recent stuff means more but does it mean that much to the point where we get two C prospects for kaz?
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm not crazy about the return
but you can’t ignore that kaz was injured. he could just be broken.
Selgy
So we should have targeted Adenhart instead of Torres?
by td32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Too soon.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha Ha Ha
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha Ha Ha
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Winner.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I defy you to make that joke on 1010. I would actually listen if you did.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Boooooooooooooo. Wuss.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd have preferred trading CC
Then trade Kaz next year once his value goes up
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it doesn't then we can actually afford to trade him
and our minor-league depth is enough to replace him. The problem is we’re not giving him much of a chance to increase his value.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course we can
The problem is we’re not giving him much of a chance to increase his value.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How much time should he have gotten?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
For finance guys it makes little sense
Hold CC at his peak and sell Kaz at his bottom? Makes little sense
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They know more about his elbow health than we do.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That thinking would be good if we were still the Devil Rays.
But we’re no longer a farm team for bigger clubs. We hold CC at his peak because he can win games and get the team to the playoffs. If there are cheaper options to use instead of Kazmir without a noticeable dropoff, you make the deal.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The past two years.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My analysis
It sucks. I don’t mind trading Kaz but get a proper return. It is all about value and this is shit value. Two C prospects isn’t nearly enough, espeicially after his two best starts in the past calendar year.
Now someone had to go. Most of you know that i’ve been preaching to trade two starting pitchers out of our top 9. Which? I didn’t care as long as we maximizes value. I have faith in Friedman but I don’t think this is close. If this is all Kaz is worth then trade Niemann, Garza, Hellickson or Davis.
Pure salary dump. If we resign CC I’ll be more disappointed unless he takes a major hometown discount.
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is there anything you don't complain about?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, he should love everything the Rays do.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a difference between criticizing the team and complaining about every single thing.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't complain about ecerything
When something is good I say so, when it is bad I say so. I just don’t drink the kool aid that’s the rays can do no wrong.
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your looks
Cause I’m a nice guy
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You think 40 year old creepers look good?
shudders
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
I look like Sloth from the Goonies. So what?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no there is nothing he doesn't complain about
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who the hell would take his rotation spot?
Sonnanstine? I don’t want this happening.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
Sept 1st is Kaz's next scheduled start
Davis might take the spot right away
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
theres no way hes striking out 10 in a game
btw espnews just said they dont know it might fall through theyre still talking
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really
They needed to keep him stretched out in case of an injury.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't you give it a rest?
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Chances Mike Butcher had a say in this?
Reagins: “So hey Mike, think you can turn around Kaz?”
Butch: “_________”
Has MLB network even mentioned it yet?
How can a 24hr basball network not be all over this? What else is there to talk about?
Bring Your Z-Game!
A trade that may or may not have been just a spur of the moment rumor that the official website says fell through? They can talk about other things, I'm sure.
And we’re the Rays. They NEVER mention us.
Great, thanks for the tears
Latest word is there will be an announcement of the deal within an hour. Kazmir was just on the field and said he was playing catch with David Price for the last time. "It was our routine,’’ he said,
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Also this.
Latest word is there will be an announcement of the deal within an hour. Kazmir was just on the field and said he was lighting a bong with J.P. Howell for the last time. "It was our routine,’’ he said,
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
was wondering who would do that first
EF wins
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Its never a Rays move without an EJax reference.
Imagine if #Rays had foresight to deal Kazmir in winter, keep breakout star Ed.Jackson. Would have given them more $ at trade deadline, too
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, foresight.
And when Edwin got expensive after this year, we’d deal him too.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And we'd have gotten more for him...
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm quite content with Matt Joyce, thanks though.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT WHAT IF WE COULD HAVE TRADED FOR JAY BRUCE OR COLBY RASMUS??????
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT IF WE DRAFTED MARK PRIOR????????
oh wait…
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
JACOBY ELLSBURY
RAYS DRAFT-SIGNING FAIL
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by Gone Phishing on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say its official
ITS OFFICIAL and I am happy!! Wade Davis is better and ready to make a difference for the Rays. This will free up some $$$ to keep Carl Crawford. A player like C.C. dont come around to often.
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/08/angels_get_kazm.html
OT: cracked pepper and sea salt chips are the shiz
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
FAT
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I fucking hate you and you are the reason I don't buy DRB Gear
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
<3
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Anyone notice Raul Ibanez is has been a 3 win player this year?
I say that, because he was over 3 wins in July.
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posting this from my cell phone
They better be promoting Hellboy if this goes through. If they are, then this deal is freakin’ sweet.
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Aug 28, 2009 6:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would say Davis at best, prob Sonny
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
No one cares that you'r moblie.
And Hellickson is not coming up.
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HEY GUYS THERE IS A RAIN DELAY SO WE CAN YELL SOME MORE
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
It's probably raining unemployment and government cheese in THE D right now.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part of this link is this:
This is a video response to Let Me Smell Yo Dick
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Van wrote:
So the Rays have tossed in the towel. I guess this is what happens the year after being in the WS and your stadium is still 3/4 empty…
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
retarded.....
Leave me alone, I'm watching monsterjam.
by mrichardkent on Aug 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Some very misinformed douche bag.
Leave me alone, I'm watching monsterjam.
by mrichardkent on Aug 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They only draw 9K per game?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait... what if Van is AF...
Oh my god I need to go smoke a bowl with JP/SK and think about this.
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So hows about we sign Sano in the mean time?
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
OT: Shock Top beer is good.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 28, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
+1
It’s worth taking shit from your friends about drinking a girly beer.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 28, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this game gets rained out
70% at game time, 90% from 9PM on
1. James Shields 2. ? 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
/heater'd
the yanks,and redsox continue to bolster there roster,and are pulling away in the playoff race,but the rays trade away one of there young star pitchers for two nobodys.yes they save money to try and keep some of there guys,but the rays also need to get some great players also,but the yanks,and sox have the big money rolls to persuade the likes of carl crawford.
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
uh.....
Leave me alone, I'm watching monsterjam.
by mrichardkent on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not far off from what people have been saying in this thread.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it's true
The yanks and sox buy players
the two guys in the trade will probably never be impact major leaguers
it was a salary dump
the savings will probably go towards resigning someone…
I think we all agree on that. It’s just a matter if that was the right move. There are valid arguments on both sides
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're agreeing with Heater commenters, boss.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
I’m sure a heater poster somewhere is saying that they agree with a draysbay comment when in fact it’s sternfan.
Point is sometimes quality means more than the source. What that heater guy said was in fact true
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There's no agreement that the guys we got in return are bad.
Mostly because not one of us had heard of these guys three hours ago.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh I think we typically know about the decent pridoects
If we don’t know about them then that’s a very bad first step
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by matthan on Aug 28, 2009 7:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a silly statement.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Aug 29, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I posted this in the GDT but HOLY Smokes Batman
Torres is sexy despite his BA ranking at the begining of the year
149 K and only 4 HR in 147.1 innings
he does walk a lot though.
His stats aren't sexy
His stats are pretty good. The control is really a problem.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
K/BB of 1.47 in AA and a K/BB of 1.86 overall isn't very good.
He’s got some positives, but his control is a very big issue. Especially considering his neither his size, stuff or upside is overwhelming.
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I know, Tyler.
It just seems silly to argue over sexy/pretty good. Don’t you agree?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well sexy to me implies that he's a top prospect(Wade/Hellickson level)
Torres is a decent prospect. I’d rather have Cobb than Torres if I had to choose.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he strikes out that many without giving up HR's makes me think he is either bendy or explosive
I wonder what his SS% is, although I doubt anyone has those for him.
Yeah, he does seem pretty cool
but his command is issue and we traded a guy with the same issue for him!
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Big Dog commented on 620 that this move will allow them to sign Crawford. Think again. While the Rays will hopefully pick up CC’s optiion of 11.5 million for next year what do you think he is going to command on the free agent market for 2011 and beyond. My guess is at least 15 million per year on a long term deal if not more. My feeling is that CC will be gone either this off season or at the trading deadline next year. And the Rays expect us to send in our playoff money for this season for 11 games by September 8th? Yeah right.
by BrokeBearMountain on Aug 28, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
in the mean time, can we please call up Joyce
with CC’s iffy back and the open roster spot, it would be nice to have another hitter
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isnt he a 3B?
but yeah, I’d say 1B
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I wonder if this deal started picking up steam when we were unable to sign LeVon and Kenny...
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if this goes through
will/should they let sweeney finish the year in montgomery?
I love how it is going to go from
Richard/Aki/Brignac/Johnson
to
Richard/Mateo/Chaves/Olmedo probably
and the OF loses Joyce/Perez
after sep 1 they go from a really good offensive team to shit
lol "slug"
FLRN1019 wrote:
It ticks me off we have to dump a guy like Kaz in order to keep that dead weight Burrell…management messed up royally and now the team (and fans)will pay the price….a 25 year old front line pitcher has to go because they signed that slug…not great business there Andrew…..
20 million = 8 million
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Kazmir
front line pitcher?
Did we transport back to 2007?
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this is very much wait and see news
the only thing that saddens me about this is I for sure thought we were going to be able to get one of Texas’ catchers for Kaz in the off-season.
yeah same here
I was wondering if we put him out there this offseason if we could get Salty/Teagarden
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OH GOD I HOPE HIS HOT-ASS WIFE IS OKAY.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist has family?
I thought he was a mutant cyborg sent from a distant galaxy to own at Baseball? :(
please tell me his wife didnt mess up her body
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she looked mediocre as hell
when she sang the anthem
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah
no she looks hot every other time i’ve seen her, she is def. hot as hell in her promo photos
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 28, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Scheduled starters for September 1st
TB/LAA: Scott Kazmir
Durham: Wade Davis
give me Wade!
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so not that it would happen but
if Hellickson is added to the 40 man in connection with this move he’d be eligible for the post-season roster because of the 60 DL guys.
not at all
if i put money on it, id say Sonny, id like to see Wade get some starts though
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Wow, im retarded
what that should have said is “So we are still working under the assumption that the deal is a go?”
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the same insidders have Bay and Lee on our roster
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Admittedly, the Lee deal never came close to this
Even ESPN has it on their front page, and they never talk about the Rays
Probably, but it just doesn't make any sense right now
That’s why I don’t feel like it will happen
by Transplanted on Aug 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
neither of the guys we are getting are going on the 40 man right?
so what are the chances Deezy or Hellickson gets that spot?
I'm not saying 25 man
just a 40 man spot, unless they want to give it to a guy like Jon Weber or Chris Richard for a Sep Call-up…….actually thinking about it Richard wouldn’t be a bad idea, having a real back-up 1B would be nice for once.
Whats the opinion of Bateman out of our pen around here?
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Why?
Thayer/Abreu are better optioned
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of who takes the 40 man
Thayer has one already, Abreu….well, he became the “come in and hit this batter” out in Cleveland
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R.I.P SCOTT KAZMIR RAYS CAREER
The ghost of SCOTT shall haunt us for the next day.
WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!
its a trick
may be rained out so that means never a announcment
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He orders his food very seriously.
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by EminenceFront on Aug 28, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Kazmir will be a Angel next year
like Barty being a MVP this year
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The bottom line here is: Are these two noobies going to get us the WC berth? Nah. But was Kazmir going to pitch us in all on his own? Probably not.
Unless we end up facing Kazmir in the ALDS or something, this is a trade that we wont feel the effects of (that aren’t on AF’s wallet) for a few years.
key point right there is
Kaz only affects us if we make the playoffs anyways meaning we did not need him
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Can we ban him:
NOW, Please:
I thing that the Tampa Bay Rays s##k. Every good player we have the ship off !! This is one of the biggest blunders the Rays have made so far. I wish Scott all the happiness and success in the world.
Watch out baseball when Scott Kazmir goes to a team that has a coaching staff. Same thing that has happened to every other player who goes to a team where the coach knows what he is doing and the pitching coach knows what he is doing!!! If any one should be gone it is Hickey he is useless and he ruins everyone. I bet one thing THE ANGEL FANS will be glad to have Scott Kazmir.
The Tampa Bay Rays Front Office Staff suks. Plain and simple. I think ownership should sell this team
and let the yuppy/owners change to there new football team.
HICKEY SHOULD GO!
I have been a Ray’s supporter since the First Game and I am done I will never go to a game again.
If they think that they are going to win The American League East without Scott Kazmir they are crazy.
They are the laughing stock of all MLB and the always will be as long as those idiots who own the team continue to do sh#t like this.
Congratulations Angels!!!!!!!!
Thanks guys
WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!
"If they think that they are going to win The American League East without Scott Kazmir they are crazy."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
AHAHA
AHAHAHAAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I can't belive its
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Almost every time the Rays make a trade they trade away one my favorites
2002-Randy Winn
2004-Victor Zambrano
2005-Aubrey Huff
I know these trades actually helped us out more in the long run, but it just makes me mad that next time we see Kaz, it will in a Angel’s uniform
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TB can’t sustain baseball. The Rays will be relocated sooner than later. Funny stuff.
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by BrettJMiller on Aug 28, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis needs to replace that "?"
3 IP 0HA 0ER 0BB 3K, just 26 pitches
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Rain delay currently though
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also GameDay says 31 pitches
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
eh it doesnt matter anymore
If the game comes back, he wont
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Welp...fuck this
I’m gonna go jump off a tall building now
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Close to the point of watching just to hear Kazmir news
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Upton
I know he covers ground, but has anyone seen him dive for a ball? Wasn’t that his ball that he just stood there and watched Gross dive for?
Trade fell through
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ermostro wrote on 08/28/2009 08:07:48 PM:
I don’t have words to express my outrage! I am so mad right now I don’t want to talk about it!! I know baseball is a business. This move may make a lot of business sense to the owners but, to me, it looks beyond terrible! Well, I will make MY move and business decision… I will not attend another Rays game this season! I bought tickets for the 17 September game and I WILL NOT ATTEND!… and you better explain what are you going to to to keep us as contenders or you will lose me forever!
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Is he threatening to send the Rays a “Dear John” letter!? THAT BASTARD!
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the point is
are we more talented/ a better team before or after this trade? we arent. salary dump or not scott kazmir for two mid level minor league prospects is a joke. i could see a major league player and a prospect but please this is rediculous. for those who says he sucks, hes just 25, hes a year removed from the allstar game, he led the league in strikeouts, i doubt hes past his prime
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 9:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Injury Risk?
So Kazmir is an injury risk? Didn’t Sweeney miss all of last year with a bum ankle or something? Doesn’t that mean he has an "injury history" too?
This is not like Atlanta getting John Smoltz from Detroit for Doyle Alexander, or Texas raiding the Atlanta farm system for Teixera.The Angels farm system is depleted, getting any of their "prospects" is not some major coup. Kazmir is a proven major league player, Torres and Sweeney are by no means a lock to make the transition to the major leagues.
It amazes me how people think we can still get Kazmir '07 value.
This is the year 2009, and he’s sucked the last 2 years. What were you expecting? Jason Heyward? Jeez.
ya one year after being an all star at 25 hes way past his prime
maybe we could get Dice K from the sox for two prospects, hes had a down year lets give it a shot, give me a break, this is a shit ass trade even for a salary dump
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Keeping High Salary Guys
We can’t keep them all. Maybe now we can keep a few others. Hopefully, Stu is smarter than you give him credit. The numbers on those prospects look pretty good.
thats why no salary cap is a joke
and they so good they couldnt even crack the top 10 prospects on their team..
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Torres would have been a top 10 guy 2010 in their list
and maybe in ours. We are almost a full minor league season past when the BA rankings came out.
I hope this deal does fall through
The two shlubs we got for Kaz look like Ruggiano and Chuck Tiffany type returns. Lets wait until offseason and get something in a teams top 10. I think Kaz is going to do good his last 6 weeks. The PTBNL better be B. Wood or something legit
actually it sounds kind of like
a Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato type
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WTF?
“@davej9398 I think you are right about them making discrete inquiries into moving BJ”
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I don't want to move Upton at his lowest value
Kind of reminds me of trading another guy at his lowest value, kinda like a Scotty Kazmir.
the idea of trading BJ right now seems crazy
I wouldn’t trade him unless someone backed the truck up and I don’t see that happening.
fucking awful
i usually like the moves they make , no one could honestly tell me thats the best we could get for kaz, what a joke
by Toe Finch on Aug 28, 2009 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's the best they could get for Kaz
He’s owed 20 million over the next two years and hasn’t played anywhere near that contract. It’s better then getting nothing for him like Rios.
whoa BP action BEFORE the delay?
Davis may get the call
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