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Rays Offense Rebounds In Win Vs Royals

The Rays offense hates James Shields, but today it looked like it loved Scott Kazmir.  A day after giving Shields zero run support in an embarrassing loss to the Royals the offense rebounded to pummel Zach Greinke.  The final tally for Greinke was 5IP, 10H, 6R, 6ER, 3BB, and 9K.  That's 6 more runs than the offense scored off of Brian Bannister yesterday.  Brian Bannister is not one of the best pitchers in all of baseball, Zach Greinke is.  Yeah, that makes sense.  Such is baseball.

-Watching anyone other than B.J. Upton play centerfield for this team is entertaining, and not in the good way.  Gabe Kapler played fine today, but the ball that dropped to allow the Royals' first run would have easily been caught by Upton.  It's those types of plays that go unappreciated over a full season.  I know Kapler made a running catch later in the game, but again, that would have been a routine out for Upton.

-In Upton's absence Jason Bartlett batted leadoff and made the most of the opportunity.  Bartlett went 3-4 with a walk, double, triple and 2RBI.  Bartlett will not continue to bat leadoff when B.J. Upton is back in the lineup, but for one day he made the most of it.  Hitting behind Bartlett today, Carl Crawford had a nice game himself goind 3-5 with a double, 3RBI and his 49th steal of the season. 

-I mentioned yesterday that I thought it was time Willy Aybar got more playing time at DH.  With Pat Burrell getting the day off Aybar got just that, and like Bartlett, made the most of his opportunity.  Aybar mashed two homers, one from each side of the plate, in consecutive at bats in the 5th and 7th innings.  Like Bartlett, I don't believe Aybar will continue to get the consistant at bats in the DH spot, not with Burrell making $7million, but he has certainly been making his case.

-It was very encouraging to see Scott Kazmir have another good outing.  Coming off his best start of the season last week against the Yankees Kazmir went quite well, going 6 innings and throwing 114 pitches, 82 for strikes.  Kazmir did have one walk on on the day, and that was to lead off the 7th inning.  I have no idea why Kazmir was left in to start the inning, seeing as how he was at over 100 pitches and the Rays had a 6-3 lead.  This must be a new habit of Maddon's because he sure seems to be doing it a lot lately.  He'll leave his starter in the game when he's over 100 pitches, the Rays have the lead, and the bullpen is seemingly ready.  I don't understand it, and most of the outcomes have turned out like Kazmir's. 

-I saw two things today I never thought I'd see in my life: Michel Hernandez hitting a triple, and Yuniesky Betancourt hitting a home run off of J.P. Howell. 

-Last but not least, thanks to the people at FSN and SunSports for their hospitality today.  Much appreciated.

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Continuing a thought I had in the GDT

What does everyone think about the concept of Aybar becoming a regular 1B?

Just a quick recap, I’ve began beginning to think that if the team needs to dump payroll during the offseason, instead of trading away CC, they can trade Pena instead. Pena is making just as much as CC (more or less) next year, but has less production. He’s a slightly-above-average prototypical 1B. Lots of power, good OBP, but low batting avereage and high strikeouts.

There were those here who speculated on having Aybar take over for Aki at 2nd base, but with Zobrist breaking out this year and showing acceptable defense at 2nd, and Aybar basically pissing all over himself at 2B after given first crack at the job, it’s likely he’s not going to get that. Aybar isn’t a completely prototypical 1B in the fact that he’s shorter then average, but in a position where glovework is more important then any other defensive ability, I would think Aybar should be no worse then a little below average defensively. Take into affect that he’s got corner-infield power and his salary which upon arbitration should rise to somewhere in the 1.6-2m range, and he looks like he could be a cheap replacement fit.

For the moment, disregard any tradeoff of getting little in return for Pena versus lots of return for CC, or the fact that the OF has more depth and MLB ready players then 1B; after all, the Rays may take some initiative and trade both, freeing up a ton of payroll and getting a nice haul in return while replacing these all-stars with perfectly capable bodies and just ask yourself, “Can Aybar replace Pena at 1B?”

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 3, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I need to see more offensively

I don’t know if he can do enough to be more than a 1.5 – 2 win 1B at best. 2008, when everyone loved him, he had a .327 wOBA. This year its a little different, but I’d like so see a .350+ wOBA for an extended period of time.

For a small market team that doesn’t have the payroll he is probably a fine 1B option, but even with his slump Pena is probably better, and this move would/should only happen if Pena A) never bounes back or B) gets traded as part of a salary dump. I wouldn’t be ecstatic with him at 1B, but I wouldn’t cry myself to sleep because of it either (alot of it depends on what he would make monetarily as he gets older as well). Interesting idea, a great one if we were still early 2000s Rays, but I think there are better options.

by Navi's_Navy on Aug 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the thing with C.C. is trading him is more than just a salary dump

he is going to bring back close to if not = Miguel Cabrera type return add that to the fact that we have Matt Joyce waiting in the wings to take over LF next season. So combine those two factors with being able to save money it makes the most sense to trade C.C. I think Kazmir will also get traded regardless of what happens this season. Unless we get a ML ready 1B in one of those trades I don’t think Pena gets traded but it very well could happen. I would put C.C. at 80% to get moved, Kaz 75%, and Pena 25%.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i personally dont think so

Pena is slumping badly but still has a better OPS. Aybar is painful to watch playing defense. Unfortunately I think his low BA will keep us from hauling what he is worth. I would prefer to hold on, and get the two picks at the end of 2010

by StoneCrab on Aug 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree 1b is harder to fill then the outfeild because we have so many capable OF

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by raysfan81 on Aug 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This I like.

Make it happen.

by RivalsTees on Aug 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like the idea if

They can get a decent return for Pena, and if Aybar actually gets playing time the rest of the year and the Rays can see if he can handle more playing time. Zorilla did it and continues to play well, can Aybar? If that same deal helps free up money to sign more help, then that helps too. Pena seems to be good for 1-2 months a season, if Aybar can do that and and some extra clutch hits, he may very well be worth the trade off for Pena. Defensively what are his numbers at 1B in his career compared to Los? Getting more hits, negated by erros, might not help, but I’m sure it would help payroll!

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by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 4, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was 6-2 but that leadoff walk

counted against him. He got hit a bit hard in the 6th, seemed like Maddon should have pulled him after that inning, started fresh with Grant for the 7th, but it is what it is, and they pulled it out. Overall a good job by Kaz, only the one walk in the 7th, he looks much better than the first half of the year.

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by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 4, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Like Bartlett, I don't believe Aybar will continue to get the consistant at bats in the DH spot, not with Burrell making $7million, but he has certainly been making his case"

this is true, but a situation that I hate. If one player who can reasonably be expected to increase your chances of winning (Aybar) is not played because another player who is making considerably more money (Burrell) and has been hurting your chances of winning on an almost daily basis over a long period of time, is played instead, a mistake is being made. The objective is to win the game.

I understand the thought process, but I’d rather see the organization have some balls and sit him for a while (ESPECIALLY now that Aybar as pulled an Eddie Murray/Mickey Mantle impression today).

by ValricoBrian on Aug 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah it makes no sense to play a higher salary player

Especially in this scenario. It is a sunk cost. You have to pay PtB no matter what. You have to pay Aybar no matter what. Salary shouldn’t impact playing time.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Burrell in a salry dump and use an in house option at DH

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by raysfan81 on Aug 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could only hope

Too bad there isn’t much demand for a .225 DH with 7 HR’s..someone made an interesting point today, is it possible Burrell hits better when he plays the field, because his mind isn’t focused on hitting all day while on the bench between AB’s? Don’t know if it applies, but it’s an interesting thought. Any stats or numbers for that situation?

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by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 4, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

boots with fur > pat with bat

also, because of the constant rain… no Timmy Becks for me today. I would’ve gone friday night when Moore was pitching but it was raining then too and figured it’d be postponed… well after a 2-hour delay they did play, but i doubt i would’ve waited around for that.

this sucks

by daveh33 on Aug 3, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see how this is really rocket science

Vs Righties:

Aybar DH, Pena 1B

Vs Lefties:

Aybar 1B, PtB DH

Of course once in awhile you can go with the traditional Pena/Burrell combo. However the truth is given each scenario (lefties/righties) Aybar deserves to play.

Aybar OPS’s about .800 vs lefties. Pena OPS’s about .700 vs lefties. This is over the past two years. Aybar needs to be playing over him vs lefties.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Aybar

I dont have any stats but i know Willy can do some things with more at bats. His switch hitting looks bad ass right there behind Pena. I say forget Pat the Bat. He could maybe do some things as a pinch hitter. But Aybar def. deserves atleast a shot at being the everyday DH.

By the way Bartlett needs to hit leadoff every game. No question

by LKMoreland on Aug 3, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Aybar > Pena against Lefties

It isn’t even close offensively.

Can David Ortiz please send Dioner Navarro some of his PED's? K? Thanks

by matthan on Aug 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kapler isn't BJ

Kap played Ok, but your right. We were at the game, that single for a run would have been caught by BJ, and Kap made routine flys look tough compared to BJ. That being said, the team looked better on offense, and JB looked good at leadoff for a day. Maddon seems open to making changes, so it might be interesting to see JB at leadoff for a few games, and slide BJ down in the order. No way do I want to see BJ’s glove on the bench. Kapler’s failed bunts and slap into a DP didn’t go over well either. Hernandez played well today, but he is clearly a backup catcher in my opinion. Kaz did look good again, and Aybar had a great game. Would be nice to see Aybar get some AB’s for Burrell, maybe even for Pena for a few games to see if it helps out.

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by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

it's funny

we had a better record when Burrell had the injury

by b-rad270 on Aug 4, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

So mad I missed Michel's triple

Will never happen again.

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by RATW on Aug 4, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Rays wOBA over the last 1 calendar year, minimum 200 PA's

Ben Zobrist 0.41
Jason Bartlett 0.391
Carl Crawford 0.383
Carlos Pena 0.379
Evan Longoria 0.366
Willy Aybar 0.361
Gabe Gross 0.357
Akinori Iwamura 0.338
B.J. Upton 0.331
Dioner Navarro 0.277

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 4, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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