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How Do the Rays Fare With a Runner on 3rd and Less than 2 Outs

There has been a lot of chatter this week about the Rays inability to score runners from third base with less than two outs following the Rays twice leaving the bases loaded with no outs in a game versus the Red Sox.  Certainly, it was a painful night. If not for Evan Longoria's heroics, the noise surrounding the topic would be even louder. Let's take a look at how the Rays have fared in situations with a runner on third with less than two outs compared to the rest of the American League.

 

First the Raw #'s. Runs per AB is a little weak as it does not take into account how many runners were on base. S/AB is Sac Flys +Sacrifice Bunts Per AB:

 

Star-divide

R/AB

BB%

K%

BA

OBP

SLG

ISO

S/AB

BAL

0.99

12.0%

11.2%

0.412

0.451

0.644

0.379

10.3%

LAA

1.05

12.5%

12.5%

0.427

0.437

0.615

0.297

16.2%

TBR

0.93

13.8%

18.9%

0.365

0.432

0.604

0.381

11.6%

CLE

0.89

13.2%

20.5%

0.326

0.391

0.524

0.316

12.0%

SEA

0.88

9.4%

14.5%

0.347

0.371

0.534

0.295

14.5%

CHW

0.82

9.9%

18.9%

0.322

0.357

0.544

0.339

12.2%

NYY

0.87

11.6%

11.2%

0.337

0.387

0.508

0.275

10.4%

OAK

0.9

14.0%

14.0%

0.275

0.356

0.479

0.329

13.1%

BOS

0.85

13.4%

17.9%

0.314

0.382

0.452

0.229

12.6%

TOR

0.84

10.9%

14.5%

0.311

0.345

0.47

0.268

14.1%

DET

0.83

8.5%

16.0%

0.284

0.335

0.475

0.296

12.3%

TEX

0.83

10.0%

19.0%

0.291

0.325

0.437

0.238

16.7%

MIN

0.85

8.0%

12.9%

0.305

0.326

0.425

0.192

16.0%

KCR

0.69

7.4%

16.7%

0.275

0.312

0.431

0.246

9.4%

Avg

0.88

11.2%

15.6%

0.33

0.375

0.513

0.293

13.0%

 

Wow. The Rays OPS with a runner on third and less than two outs is 1.036. Their strikeout number is  ugly, but their slugging more than offsets the failed opportunities' caused by the strikeouts.

Now let's clean it up and look at the team ranks:

 

R/AB

BB%

K%

BA

OBP

SLG

ISO

S/AB

BAL

2

6

1

2

1

1

2

14

LAA

1

5

3

1

2

2

6

2

TBR

3

2

12

3

3

3

1

12

CLE

5

4

15

7

4

6

5

11

SEA

7

12

6

4

8

5

8

4

CHW

14

11

13

8

9

4

3

10

NYY

8

7

2

5

5

8

10

13

OAK

4

1

5

14

10

9

4

6

BOS

10

3

11

9

6

12

14

8

TOR

11

9

7

10

11

11

11

5

DET

13

13

9

13

12

10

7

9

TEX

12

10

14

12

14

13

13

1

MIN

9

14

4

11

13

15

15

3

KCR

15

15

10

14

15

14

12

15

 

The Rays are in the top 3 teams in each category outside of strikeouts and small ball  (sacrifices). They fare far better than the Red Sox and Yankees as well.  The Rays ability to capitalize with runners on third and less than two outs is a strength rather than the perceived weakness.

 

So now we know the Rays hit far better than average in this situation. What about their relative ability to score that runner from third given a plate appearance. (Here Scr means the runner scored during that plate appearance):

 

<2,3B

Scr

%

#Willy Aybar

16

9

56%

Jason Bartlett

15

11

73%

Pat Burrell

16

8

50%

*Carl Crawford

23

15

65%

*Gabe Gross

13

7

54%

Michel Hernandez

8

5

63%

*Akinori Iwamura

13

7

54%

Gabe Kapler

15

9

60%

Evan Longoria

49

22

45%

#Dioner Navarro

23

11

48%

*Carlos Pena

38

17

45%

B.J. Upton

21

6

29%

#Ben Zobrist

18

8

44%

League Average

52%

Team Total

275

138

50%

 

So league average says  50% of a player will get the run across in 52% of opportunities. The Rays are just below league average at 50% but remember, if the bases aren't loaded a walk won't score the run.  The Rays lead all teams in walk rate in this situation at 13.8% which will reduce the % of runs scored. Most individual players are above league average.  Carlos Pena and Evan Longoria are below average at scoring the run, but are near the top of the team in slugging which will score multiple runs. Is it worth sacrificing that slugging chance to insure one run will score? Not usually. B.J. Upton has a pretty massive failure rate at 71%. This is the most concerning number out of any of this.

 

One important caveat: Not all situations were created equally. To fail twice late in a tied game is very painful. The primary goal needs to be to get a run across to capture the lead. The effect on win expectancy by that run is tremendous. In lower leverage situations it makes more sense to try to maximize the amount of runs in a rally, rather than trying to ensure at least something on the board at the cost of less potential run production.  I don't think the Rays have had a late game pattern of stranding a runner on third with less than 2 outs in close games beyond that isolated game.

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The team was pretty bad in April at this but managed to straighten it out.

In July they just repeatedly failed to get players into scoring position. I’m not sure where this criticism was coming from.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great point

In April, they were awful, with Navi being particularly bad at getting the man home, but then it seemed to get better until July, they just didn’t get many guys on at 3rd. The game the other night was frustrating and made it seem like they had done this all year because of April’s poor start, great point.

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by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 7, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do the stars and number signs mean?

What was the sample size. Did the Rays have approximately the same amount of opportunities?

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by Buc Wild on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

275 about the same as other teams?

just curious how often we are in that position relative to other AL teams

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by Buc Wild on Aug 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

* is lefty, # SH

From baseball ref

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a metric for...

Percentage of local media who talks out of their ass before looking at the numers? I mean they’re the ones getting paid for it, right?

It could be followed by a metric for the number of times it was proven they were talking out their ass by DRB.

by RivalsTees on Aug 7, 2009 2:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

League wide 1705 Runners Have Scored from 3rd w <2 outs in 3312PA/2459 AB

If you add SH and SF into AB you have 2888 non-BB/HBP situations. That gives you a rate of 59% of runners scoring in nonBB/HBP PA.

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

This is something fans of every team will complain about.

Your team could be tops in the league at getting that runner home from 3rd and the fans will give them hell the day they fail when it is important.

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by Kenny845 on Aug 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there a way to get situational breakdown?

Like how well we do in tie games, 1 run ahead/behind, 2, etc.

Also, how bad is BJ’s numbers relative to others? Maybe his inability to get the runner in from 3rd is why everyone complains.

by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

baseball-reference.com

has all you seek

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton's year has just been painful to watch at times.

If this gets out into the wider media, he’s gonna get roasted.

I had fun comparing my mental list of players I like to see at the plate in such situations to the actual stats.

by Deepdoodle on Aug 7, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Article

You laid it out in numbers, can’t believe Upton was that low, amazing the numbers prove it out, surprised at Navi’s numbers, he seemed to start off so poor this year in these situations, he must be doing bette as of late. Great article, shows that the Rays aren’t alone in this area of frustration.

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 7, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Rays 2nd inning Friday night, they just

Scored the man from 3rd with less than 2 outs, 3 times in a row, Upton, Navarro, then Bartlett. That will help add some percentage to their success rate.

Rays/Lightning/USF Bulls/Steelers

by SportsRoadhouse on Aug 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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