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B.J. Upton On Batting 9th: "Almost like a kick in the face"

Nearly a year after his benching/not hustling controversy, B.J. Upton is probably going to be drawing a lot of criticisms from his latest statements about being dropped for his usual leadoff spot.

"It's almost like a kick in the face," Upton said.

"To go from being a leadoff guy and last year hitting (No.) 2, 3, maybe 4 ... it's just like I'm back where I started (as a 19-year-old rookie). I was in the 9-hole, the 8-hole and kind of worked my way up," Upton said. "I know I'm not a 9-hitter. I know I'm not a bottom-of-the-order type of guy." ----Tampabay.com

In the article Upton said he isn't "pouting" nor will he let this affect his play on the field. While he also said the drop from leadoff is not a motivation tool, he vows to get his production back up in hopes that his spot in the line ups moves with it.

"I'm not going to let this go on for too much longer," he said. "I'm in here every day working on what I need to work on trying to get it right. It's just not working. When it starts working, you know what's going to happen. I'll work my way back up again.----Tampabay.com

I hope he's right and I hope he starts doing it tomorrow.

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No no no no no no

Why give the idiots in this town any more fuel? Ugh.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 9, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Just like last year this will be overblown/overhyped

What did people expect? Who would be happy with a demotion at any job regardless if you deserved it or not.

Also Percy is done!

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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's funny.

People wrote “Upton Mad After Demotion” when he said it’s his fault.

Pena/Burrell go down and where are the “Burrell Mad” articles/headlines?

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 9, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's very funny....

And this statement is so true. Do you ever see how he looks in an interview? Looks shy, chooses words very carefully, you can see he feels the scrutiny. He even admits that the criticism is called for with the lack of production. How could a guy far more talented than most guys on the team be ok with batting 9th (do i need to go back as far back as little league?) I’ll admit I’m a big BJ fan because of the promising skills he’s possessed over the last 3 years.

by RayGuy3 on Aug 9, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

why did he have to react a second time is the question

he said his piece when he was demoted to 7th…why the hell do you even answer any questions about being dropped to 9th…why not say you already addressed it…he brought some of this stuff on himself. He needs to learn to watch his words carefully with the media.

by raysfaninminnesota on Aug 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should know by now that you don't answer every questions

half the questions media asks is to create a firestorm…think before you act. it’s a simple philosophy.

by raysfaninminnesota on Aug 10, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't say anything really negative.

He’s just pissed he’s hit so poorly that he’s been demoted to 9th.

by Suttree on Aug 10, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"it's like a kick in the face"

he left too much open to interpretation when he didn’t specify where the kick came from and said that he wasn’t a #9 hitter. This, verses, Bartlett saying he was happy to bat wherever. Saying it once is venting and understandable. There is no point in saying it twice.

by raysfaninminnesota on Aug 10, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you've ever been kicked in the teeth

It doesn’t matter who did it, it stings, and you just want to move on.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

B-B-B-BUT HIS SHOULDER IS HURT AGAIN

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 10, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bartlett was hitting in the 9 spot with a .340 average.

I think that’s probably an indication that the Rays know that batting order matters very little. Hell, Maddon’s said as much.

by Zach Attack on Aug 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

This was a comment out of frustration and I agree that he isn't a bottom of the lineup guy even though he's struggling

A few years back when BJ was making the transition from 3rd to the outfield a scout within the Rays rated him the best overall outfielder on our team. This was huge because he had never played a full season in the outfield and was already valued higher than CC. BJ’s path to the big leagues was rough due to being called up too early and poor management in Durham. Between his position changes and all the crap he’s been through with the Rays I can understand his frustration. This comment isn’t a big deal and if you’ve followed the Rays for a while, we’ve heard a lot worse. I’d like to see him bat 6th to potentially get more at bats over the course of the season.

Been on the bandwagon since '98

by dray on Aug 9, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd like to see him lead off

hopefully he can get his swing back and lead off game 1 of the playoffs.

by Devil Ray on Aug 9, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has to earn his spot back

reduce the strikeouts and show more consistency and he will get it back. He should take this as motivation, if not the Rays have some decisions

by sofladude77 on Aug 9, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is his way of showing passion, something he has been criticized for not doing

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeter's got some range

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant Lowrie or whoever is playing SS for the Sox.

Sorry, natural reaction

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just noticed this, why the fuck does Rivera get to wear 42?

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

So what, he should give it up

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just Noticed this , why the fuck does Rivera get to wear 42?

Whyy does rivera get to wear number 42 ?
ithought it was a retired numberr ..?

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by DevilRays98 on Aug 9, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

swept. ha

red sox won’t stay cold for long though

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 9, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that's enough rooting for the Yankees for one lifetime, im giong to go pump my stomach

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

So physically ill I can't spell "going" correct

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 9, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably be pissed too if I couldn't perform at my top level.

Not to mention the 11-2 beating. That probably doesn’t make him feel like rainbows and lollipops.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Aug 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I don;t care what he says

Just hope he steps it up—no matter where he is in the order.

I guess batting order does matter—psychologically at least.

by plasticman on Aug 9, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We gained 1.5 games this weekend.

Should’ve been more, but cheerio good folk.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 9, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

would love to have Friday night back. Bad weekend for the pitching staff.

by sofladude77 on Aug 9, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not gonna get any easier in Anaheim

Their offense scares me. I have a very bad feeling about Price’s next start. A rookie with control issues against a potent Angels offense is a formula for disaster.

by acablue on Aug 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the bright side, they're middle of the pack in walks and homers

Their hacktastic ways can’t carry them forever.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

BUT IT'S A SKILL WHEN YOU'RE AN ANGEL.

I’m happy Howie Kendrick’s doing well, though.

by Suttree on Aug 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I lost money on a comeback they had against Joe Nathan where a dribbler bounced off second base while the

SS was standing on it getting ready to field it and end the game. That was the luckiest play I had seen since Aybar’s dribbler off 3rd earlier this year

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Help for Upton

BJ just needs to work on getting his front foot down a little sooner.. He is late starting his hip load and putting down his foot. Because he is late with is foot his hands are starting late and out of control trying to make up for the poor timing. The more he is behind the more he tries rev up his swing and the later it is. Additionally, getting his step out earlier would set his eyes sooner which would slow the ball down for him.. He can work all he wants but as long as he is not getting his foot down quicker the struggling will get worse. Leave the ego in the clubhouse and watch bartlett for 1)how ready he is on delivery and 2) how short his swing is

by AuburnAlumLSULaw on Aug 9, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh you were going so well until you played the ego card.

Well not really, but you weren’t setting yourself up to be made fun of. Here, read this.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since this is has gone way off topic, I'm watching a re-run of the Area Code Games

on ESPNU. A HS kid named Reggie Golden just hit a ball at least 450 feet with a wood bat. It was to Left Center, closer to center and hit last row of seats in the stadium. I’m officially in love.

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by Tyler on Aug 9, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

OF. Fast with a great arm. Build like a running back.

That kind of power is just out of this world absurd for a high school kid. I’m still in shock.

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by Tyler on Aug 9, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

please retract every vilanizing statement you all have made about CC not wanting to bat leadoff,

that of you really have to bash upton now, b/c these last two complaints are on par if not worse then anything CC has ever said.

by davidsmarch on Aug 9, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

B.J. isn't refusing to do anything.

And he’s not complaining. He said A) It’s his fault, B) he’s going to work back to the top.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 9, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

cc never refused anything either, simply stated he does not like to bad leadoff...

as with upton, he doesn’t have the choice to refuse, you do what the manager asks you to do, neither have ever been insubordinate.

by davidsmarch on Aug 9, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which directly lead to us losing a game.

Not only ambushed, but blamed his hamstring tweak on playing CF.

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by Tyler on Aug 9, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

you all are ridiculous...

Crawford clearly wasn’t excited about the switch, but accepted it to help the team and give Upton a day off. He said the move to center takes him out of his comfort zone, which is why he had hoped for a little more of a warning so he could prepare himself.

“(Maddon) ambushed me with it today,” Crawford said when asked if he had received any warning…. “I wish I would have had a little more notice.”

maybe a poor choice of words, but he wasn’t saying anything different then upton saying Maddon gave him a kick to the face, both metaphorical sayings to imply they were surprised, yet you all continue to bash CC for it, and praise upton? come on…

by davidsmarch on Aug 9, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't say Maddon kicked him in the face.

He said batting 9th is a kick in the face and said he’s going to keep working hard.

I love Carl, but he’s picky.

by R.J. Anderson on Aug 9, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest

the statements are very similar. Reverse the positions and you guys would be destroying CC in the comments section. I’ve been reading the site constantly since the beginning of last year and there is definitely a double standard between BJ and CC among regular DRB commenters. Admittedly, it’s somewhat justifiable due to the unusually harsh treatment BJ receives from non-sabermetrically inclined fans and local media personalities. On the hand, it is kind of hypocritical.

by RaysTheRoof on Aug 10, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Run differential suggests '09 > '08. Actual results may vary.

by mrmilergd on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

he implied it,

it couldn’t have been directed at anyone else. like others have said, there is an absurd double standard on this site in regards to CC and BJ.

by davidsmarch on Aug 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

If BJ said something about being ambushed and compalined about being asked to play another position, I'd be first in line with him in my sights.

And I did rail on him last year for stupidity in the field. Last year when he allowed himself to get tagged out by Mark Teixeira while trotting into 2nd base with his ‘sure’ double against the Angels.

The fact is, when CC has opened his mouth in the past, it was always to whine and complain about how unfairly he’s being treated. BJ isn’t doing that here, he’s accepting responsibility for his poor play and continues to be confident he’s going to turn it around. There is no ‘I didn’t do anything to deserve this’ crap. The only pluarality in a comparison between CC and BJ is they distinctly handle their business differently. There’s no double-standard.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

right,

CC complains about a change in routine when he is in fact playing like an all-star, and BJ complains about a change in routine and accepts responsibility for playing like a piece of shit? i’m sorry if i feel you are completely back ass on this. don’t praise a failure for admitting he’s failing and then criticize a person having success for not wanting to mess up their success.

by davidsmarch on Aug 10, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well outside of the fact that CC's complaints came LAST year, when he was playing like shit, you're exactly right.

I should know better then to try to debate with you by now. I’m just going to stop doing it.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Aug 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm probably in the extreme minority on this one on this site

and I’m a huge BJ fan and have support him everystep of the way.

that being said he needs to stfu and just worry about hitting the baseball right now. He is still extremely valuable to this team because of his defense and his speed when he does get on but if someone ask him a question about the batting order all he needs to say is I’m working to be the best I can be and help this team out. There is no need for him to talk about getting kicked in the face. All that it is going to do is bring on more criticism and if that kind of thing gets to him it is the last thing he needs.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 9, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

I’m tired of baseball players tip-toeing on eggshells, always trying to please everyone when they talk to the media. BJ is telling it like it is; he feels bad about not playing to his potential. He really didn’t say anything we didn’t already know. But it’s nice to hear him speak his mind, instead of the typical PC cliche drivel: “I’m trying my hardest.”

by acablue on Aug 9, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and CC does this and gets criticized?

that’s the double standard people are talking about.

by raysfaninminnesota on Aug 10, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh lord. The spinsters will love this.

Or maybe they’re too distracted by football to care.

Here’s hoping for the latter.

Your source for replacement level commentary

by RATW on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, sure enough, all the idiots are out in force today

Made the mistake of listening to Silly-O on the way into work. Upton should either be traded or benched (according to mass public). He’s horrible, he’es never been good and he’s lazy (well that I knew).

Also, we picked up 1.5 games this weekend. A week ago (maybe 10 days) we were 5.5 out. We had to pick up a game every 10 we played. Now we’re 1.5 out with plenty fo time and some head to head series still. I’d say, though we got our ass beat yesterday, we’re still in great shape.

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by Buc Wild on Aug 10, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Christ. Only in this town could someone profess their desire to change and succeed

and get raked over the coals for it. What more would you want him to say? The prior criticism was that he wasn’t showing any emotion. Now he is and that’s not good enough either.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 10, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Just my observation about his swing

But there’s a lot of pre-swing movement with his bat. Not uncommon for hitters, of course, but in BJ’s case, he seems to just drop his hands enough before swinging (which is a bit too long to begin with) to misalign his stroke. Which is why he hits so many pop fouls, grounders, and whiffs. It’s a matter of inches, probably less in most cases.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Aug 10, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Dear Beej,

Life is hard. And so am I. If you don’t start your hitting, I’m gonna die. Novoca-aine for the soul. Seriously, cut down the K’s, take a walk at least once a series and you’ll get better pitches to hit. Then hit them. Hard.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I have never been a fan of BJ leading off anyways

I have always thought he is best suited to be in the 2,3, or 4 slot. I agree that at the beginning of the year he was the best option, but I think for THIS year, Barty is doing great and should be there. He did so well in the 2 slot last year that ideally I would love to see Barty, BJ, CC, Longo, and then Zobrist. CC is a little touchy on moving out that 2 hole though, and with the season he is having I see no reason to mess with his mojo. So maybe BJ and then Longo, or Longo and then BJ. But I suppose this messes with the plan of trying to alternate lefties and righties.

by free hotdogs on Aug 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

I think BJ should be happier with batting ninth then seventh. In this line-up, that is actually a promotion in my opinion.

by free hotdogs on Aug 10, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing wrong with batting 9th

Bartlett has done it a lot, its the 8th spot that is an insult spot. Some teams put their worst hitter there, prefer a good bad in the 9 hole to turn the lineup to the top.

by sofladude77 on Aug 10, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm
RaysRock2008 (8/10/2009 at 2:15 AM)
Did you see what BJ said about being dropped to ninth? And right after Maddon told his players to put the team before the ego?
That’s why, struggling or not, Carlos is so important for the team. He’s such a leader and takes things like that as an opportunity. He always puts the team first! BJ needs to sit a couple games for that statement.

by acablue on Aug 10, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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