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Rays Acquire Sean Rodriguez

Per Rich Thompson's Twitter:

Sad to see Sean Rodriguez heading to Tampa Bay, good luck to him he is an exciting player

Assuming the account is legitimate, and it seems as such, the Rays will receive the 24-year-old Rodriguez alongside Matthew Sweeney and Alexander Torres. We talked about Rodriguez earlier as the potential PTBNL and his mighty fine looking statline. The scouting reports on him are simple. He's probably not a shortstop, but has a good bat and should work at most defensive positions.

Welcome to the organization Sean.

Update: Per a Rays press release, they have acquired Rodriguez and he will report to Durham. Presumably until the 'second wave' of call-ups.

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Another Zobrist

This deal turned out awesome

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent

Lets set the bar at 45 homers his first year, anything less is a failure

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

you may be dissapointed

but hey, you never know!

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like him

He’s got tons of pop. Very happy to see out of the Angels hands.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

How about he plays SS vs lefties and Brignac vs righties

Unless Briggy starts hitting lefties

Of course that only matters if we cash in on Barty…..

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe we can unload Burrell in the off-season

1. DEEZY [RF]
2. CC [LF]
3. LONGO [3B]
4. C-PAIN [1B]
5. ZOBRIST [2B]
6. BOSSMAN [CF]
7. ZAUN ©
8. SEAN [DH]
9. BRIGGY [SS]

… opening day 2010. i like.

rotation:

SHIELDS®
GARZA®
PRICE [l]
NIEMANN®
DAVIS/HELLBOY have a fight to the death®

by daveh33 on Sep 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno, no Joyce and who will take PTB?

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I have 2010 like

I am bad at batting orders but starters….

C Gregg Zaun
1B Carlos Pena
2B Ben Zobrist
SS Reid Brignac
3B Evan Longoria
LF Carl Crawford
CF B.J Upton
RF Matt Joyce
DH Pat Burrell

Bench: Sean Rodriguez, Shawn Riggans, Willy Aybar, Fernando Perez

SP 1 James Shields
SP 2 Matt Garza
SP 3 David Price
SP 4 Jeff Niemann
SP 5 Wade Davis

the pen will have JP, that much I know!

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all know the Rays

DJ will be given more time in the minors

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodriguez wasn't called up today like Wood and 4 others

Seems like he’s the guy.

Remember this guy’s played in the LAA system – great hittters parks, especially AAA SLC for power numbers. He has had some difficulty in the majors and nearly 200 AB’s, so let’s not anoint him Babe Ruth just yet. But he certainly should be adequate in a reserve or platoon, and allows the Rays to pass on Aki’s option. Another 3 MM in the kitty. Owner happy.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Would we pass on Aki's option?

seems like 3M is a good value for what he provides

Bring Your Z-Game!

by Sveet on Sep 1, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the option was 4.5M

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is.

Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Sep 1, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Errr...4.25M with a 0.25M buyout.

Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Sep 1, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw above he said 3M

if he keeps playing well I still think we will be able to move him at 4.25M

Bring Your Z-Game!

by Sveet on Sep 1, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean't the rough difference

between’s Aki’s ‘08 cost and Rodriguez’s likely ’09 cost – year over year savings.

I’m not sure there’s a big market for Aki at $4.25 plus a player. Polanco, Kennedy, Scutaro, DeRosa, F. Lopez, F Sanchez all potential FA 2B’s, not so many teams in need., and most are lower payroll clubs.

Rays need savings to pay BJ, Garza, Howell (arbs) plus signed increases, etc. Money is about there now with moves made or likely, but that’s $4 MM they could get stuck with, with Zobrist, Aybar, Brignac, abd Rodriguez available to fill the spot.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we'd get anything, but you're forgetting that he's also a gold glove calibre 3rd sacker

A team like the White Sox could use him over there if Beckham can stick at SS.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was an average 3B, he's an average 2B.

He’s not above-average anywhere defensively. Plus he tore his ACL, which can’t help agility and range.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better to put him on 3rd

He’s a 2.5 WAR player that you can throw at different positions and not get hurt by the glove. This has value. I just wish he hadn’t gotten hurt and we could have traded him at the deadline. Tough to get much now.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think we'll get anyone of value for an average 2B that cost 4 million?

I understand he’ll most certainly justify his salary hypothetically, but in the real world, we’re in a recession.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average at 2nd and 3rd

The flexibility is an intangible that can’t be forgotten. He’s average both ways at least. He won’t kill you in the field or at the plate. I hope his knee heals up ok.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Not a lot, but teams will sign average middle infielders to more money than that, so it’s worth giving up something to save the money.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 3, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised he cleared waivers

with all the low end market teams that could use him. Are you sure about this?

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why teams like

Wash, Ariz, Cubs, Cleve, Det., Pitt wouldn’t claim him. Need a 2B next year, why not get a decent guy at the minimum now. Hard to figure.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the NL couldn't make a play til he cleared AL

Friedman might have taken hostages in Cleveland and Seattle

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point on the NL

but still think those AL’s or Detroit should have considered it.

Guess they’re nice gentlemen.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure big league front offices know he was the PTBNL.

Unless a team is just trying to be dickish, which is possible, the Rays have done it, there is no reason for a lesser team to claim him because he’s obviously going to be pulled back.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it is dickish

Just claiming him doesn’t mean they will get him. LAA would just pull him back off waivers and the trade would be completed after the season.

by floridaroar on Sep 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you could look at it as competing

Boston could have blocked, though it’s unlikely that Rodriguez is the difference maker this year.

And Detroit has Polanco leaving – maybe they could have made an offer for LAA to consider, then go to Tampa with alternatives.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Block to compete yes.

But Detroit couldn’t make a deal for him because a deal was already made for him.

by floridaroar on Sep 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston couldn't have claimed him, because we would claim him before they do.

He doesn’t have clear waivers, he just has to be claimed by us.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a gentleman's agreement

That if the player has been traded and is passing through waivers, nobody will claim him. The Rays famously violated that understanding a few years ago when they blocked Adam Stern heading to the Orioles in the Javy Lopez deal.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/05/alleged_trade_secrets_are_causing_quite_a_stir/

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus all the talk of the Yanks claiming Chris Carter

to block the Sox deal for Wagner.

Not that I’m opposed to fucking with the Red Sox plans.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Sep 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only one team needs to claim the player on waivers to block the deal

Doesn’t matter where they are in the waiver priority. One team claims, then the PTBNL needs to wait until the offseason to be officially traded.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Brick

I’m glad he got through now instead of in a month when it’s worthless

Embrace Eternity

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No gentleman's agreement to not block major leaguers

It’s just for PTBNLs, since theoretically there’s no harm if the player just passes through. If you block him, the trade still happened, it just means the other team needs to wait a month to get their PTBNL.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rays have to make corresponding 40 man move

Rodriguez is a 2B headed to Durham, Elliot Johnson can’t be comfortable right about now.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Sep 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BUT RUGGIANO IS A TOP-FLIGHT PROSPECT

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOORAY

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by raysfan81 on Sep 1, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can fly

WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!

by 4QB on Sep 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE'S AN ASSHOLE

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would you compare this deal

to what the indians got for lee?

seems we got a better package of prospects

by Schmidt on Sep 1, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Rodriguez is good, Torres is good, Sweeney is a toss-in.

The Indians got 3-5s of a AAA rotation, I’d say they got better prospects. We got a probably good player, a maybe good player and a cripple.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This makes me happy.

Now let’s beat the shit of the Sox tonight and make this the best day ever.

by floridaroar on Sep 1, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Sean John?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

SJR?

Suez?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puffy Rodriguez!

now even the name excites me!

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like Puffy.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

SeanBrist?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bristy 2.0?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bristy Chamionship Edition, or Bristy C.E.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a winner.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBZ

Spanish Ben Zobrist

by Doug09 on Sep 1, 2009 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like this Puffy guy.

From MLB.com this year (http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090316&content_id=3999552&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana)

Rodriguez is a superior athlete with exceptional range and a powerful arm that will play at either middle infield spot. He continues to demonstrate exceptional power to the middle of the field and has made strides, like Wood, in not overstriding and putting himself in bad counts. Rodriguez has the talent and makeup to play 15 years in the Majors, whether as a regular or a super-sub in the Chone Figgins mold of old.

by ZBW on Sep 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

also, I'm glad we didn't get Bobby Wilson instead

I played with/against him a lot in high school, and while he’s a very, very solid player and catcher who would no doubt fit in well with the Rays (especially since he’s from the area) and fill a need, he definitely does not have the upside that a player like Puffy Rod does.

by ZBW on Sep 1, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is never gonna get old

Puffy or Rodzilla or whatever is awesome

Rays acquired infielder-outfielder Sean Rodriguez as the player to be named in the Scott Kazmir deal.
Rodriguez, 24, posted an impressive .301/.402/.622 batting line, 29 home runs and 93 RBI in 362 at-bats this season at the Triple-A level. Tampa could decide to call him up and use him as a utilityman down the stretch.

1. James Shields 2. Wade Davis 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Sep 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Playonwords got called out.
Second, I’d like what follows to serve as a bit of a repost to certain readers who’ve called into question the empirical rigor of my first couple-few submissions to FanGraphs. While most readers have been supportive, there are some — and here I’m thinking particularly of user PlayOnWords at D-Rays Bay, who suggested that I’m "turtlenecking"* FanGraphs — there are those who would break that most important of commandments, “Let a player play.” I believe the following work will serve as a giant “Booyah” to those critics.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/from-the-department-of-advanced-statistickery

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love for him to call me out.

The internet slap fight that would ensue would be hysterical and historic.

He’s got talent, but the guy needs to find his own voice.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people here do that.

See: every ESPN, Boston Globe, or SPTimes writer mentioned here ever.

Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Sep 1, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was referring to Carson.

I just find his stuff to be too much emphasis on style, not enough on substance. But, comedic writing is difficult, particularly about baseball.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're being overly judgemental

it’s a fun read. He gets away with being a fan by being a great writer. Kind of what I strive to do.

Embrace Eternity

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I wouldn't say overly judgemental.

I’m not bombarding him with e-mails and comments saying he sucks. I even left a fairly positive comment for him on fangraphs.

God knows I’ve written shit before, particularly comedic shit. It’s difficult. Anybody can write drama, but writing comedy, good comedy, is fucking difficult.

The only reason I mentioned it is because I want to like his writing. It’s a good step for fangraphs to incorporate some light-heartedness into the site. I just thought this article sucked ass, and reeked of the bad qualities his other ones have shown.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, back off.

I’m his nemesis.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

work with in Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. Stop being so damn lazy.

There’s so much to

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh dang

PoW is going to be famous

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

Honestly, I think you should have to spend an afternoon talking to Stu Scott. An entire 4 hours locked in a room, just having a conversation with Stu Scott. He can’t have an ear piece or a computer, it has to be his own original thoughts. Let it go forth that anyone that uses the above-mentioned terms will be part of a new ESPN/Disney/Marvel/Zurn/Pamprin sponsored reality show called “Booyahing it up with your dawg Stu Scott.” What do you think?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I said was that he writes pieces that are too long for me to read at work.

And, I believe the exact quote was, “turtlenecking the fuck out of FG”. The profanity completes the joke.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, it's almost like he missed the boat?

Though, I have to ask, did you mean turtlencking as in pretentious, or turtlnecking as in taking a shit?

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like prolix. So, I guess pretentious is the closest equivalent.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA HA HA OH WOW

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amusing?

This is hilarious. I just started to read his latest one, LOL’d at Douche Factor, but must’ve missed my mention. Again, I scanned because it’s wicked long.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm shit at poetry. Peaked at age 10.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I ever questioned his skill.

Carson, if you’re reading this, you’re a big, bright, shining star.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actual image of Suttree

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Phillip's very committed to his craft.

He made sure he swallowed 8lbs of cum every day to get that gut.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never once got a sore throat.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The student becomes

THE TEACHAH

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like your anus with the long end of an oar.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

plastic or wooden?

their is a splinter factor that needs to be taken into account

by daveh33 on Sep 1, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wooden.

He’s a hippie.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, now you're talking above my head.

 I don’t know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can’t get a book deal, we cannot get a book deal unless we take those columns to the publishing company. And granted, the columns themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those columns. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those columns, that is ours and you don’t own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the publishing company. And they’re waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

RJ is the chick who ODs

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife has an ass in her cock in the drive way, all right?

I’m sorry if my thoughts are not on the tRA of the pitcher we’re trading tomorrow.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't know what I can do!

You don’t know what I can do, what I’m gonna do, or what I’m gonna be! I’m good! I have good things and you don’t know about! I’m gonna be something! I am! And don’t fucking tell me I’m not!

— Edwin Jackson, Fall 2008

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'm using Topgunnumba1

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

/sexwithbrotherjoke

Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.

by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont be surprised

if brignac or rodriguez is traded eventually

crazy idea: one of them for andrew bailey

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

You keep trying to get us A's pitchers

We have the same problem you do. Trade them to the Mets

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

what would they say on the mlb.com message boards?
B.J. Upton will definitely be traded in the offseason because of his lack of hustle. Did you see him on the last out of the Tigers game not hustling.

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by raysfan81 on Sep 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy,

Lazy!

WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!

by 4QB on Sep 1, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

his lazy hands

didn’t squeeze his glove and that ball popped out, trade him now…

Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation

by CubFanRaysaddict on Sep 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could squeeze into type B

If he gets back on the field now and plays the rest of the way. That said, it’s probably not worth it to do so.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless I'm mistaken...

We can’t get type B compensation for Aki. I believe his contract is such that if we don’t pick up the options, we have to release him. Don’t we have to offer arbitration to get compensation? Or can we release him, then offer arbitration, have him turn it down, then get compensation? I didn’t think we could do that…

by TampaFL on Sep 1, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I thought the contract waived arbitration, not forcing a release. If that’s the case, then it would be as if he’s a free agent. If it forces a release, then I’m pretty sure we can’t offer arb.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if it waived arb

then we can’t offer arb, hence we can’t get compensation. I could easily be wrong, but I believe our choices are pick up the option then (try to) trade him, or lose him for nothing.

by TampaFL on Sep 1, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good news

I envision Aki signed and dealt

Zo at 2B

S-Rod as our ZO of ’08

S-Rod/Joyce in RF?

by sternfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Fine, but that's not what he's saying and he's said it multiple times.

I’m not arguing for or against it, but he costs 4 million next year. That’s a big chunk of change to risk for a guy who has little chance of starting on this team.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop talking about baseball, this thread is reserved for circle-jerking with some Fangraphs writer.

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So say pick up the option

Sign and trade would imply we tack on a few more years for a few more dollars and then jettison him.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've said sign him and trade him like 4 times.

I doubt you knew we had an option on him and you sure as hell wouldn’t spend the 30 seconds it takes to look it up.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you understand what i meant?

If you didn’t you’re a lone soldier

by sternfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you could just say what you meant

instead of putting it wrong and then trying to make it look like you know what the hell you’re talking about.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leave me go

Go put your Kazmir jersey on e-bay or something

by sternfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would I do that?

It was the first Rays merch I ever bought. I wore it when we were horrible, I wore it when Kaz was horrible, I’m sure as shit going to wear it now.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like it, but I'm going to have to 100% agree with Raymondo here

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

added to peopleiamokwith.xls

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

3

Raymond, your mother, your rabbi

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should be Raymondo. That son of a bitch raymond is not ok with me

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of the "Everybody Loves..." variety, but the SeaDog can bite a cock too

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gyrated in your grill?

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd marry the rabbi and let the whiskey choose the rest

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know 41 types of karate (pronounced kar rah tay). I will roundhouse you into a fine powder bitch

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't rabbis celibate?

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by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA! no, but they are cheap

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought those were Moyels

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by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnny Comeback?

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by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fart into jars and save them, to release as a mega cloud one day

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who religiously follows the athletic exploits of pampered millionaires for 12 months a year

Is a bit strange.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 months a year?

Nice work, fuggin idiot. More ammo for Carson’s next column!

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would someone buy that now?

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very mature, sternfan

You’ll never survive in the business world.

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by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worth the money to pick up Aki's option

Even in the best case scenario, what we get in return wouldn’t be worth the salary the team has to pay him the first half of the year.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

PICK uup the OPTION on AKI

then TRADE him for a couple PROSPECTS

Is that ok Miss Landers?

by sternfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been around this block twice now.

Looking for something. A clue. I’ve been looking for clues and something led me back here. Yeah. So here I am. It could have been me, the one who was at Ringo’s place when the shit went down. Hey. I know how it is. I’ve been there. We’ve all done bad things. We’ve all had those guilty feelings in our heart. I’m going to take your brain out of your head and wash it and scrub it and make it clean. I don’t know. But I’m going to have to settle this. First we’re going to check the hole and see what we can find. We’re going to get nice and wet, and you’re going to spread your legs. Oh, that’s good. So you know me. You know my reputation. Thirteen inches of tough load, I don’t treat you gently. That’s right. I’m Brock Landers. So I’m going to be nice. So I’m going to be nice. So I’m going to be nice, I’m going to ask you one more time. Where the fuck is Ringo? I am a star. I’m a star, I’m a star, I’m a star. I am a big, bright, shining star. That’s right.

by Suttree on Sep 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if we just signed and traded him?

Like to the Nets or the Mavs.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are no Asians in Chicago to appeal to

maybe the Seattle Sonics? Oh wait there team was sick of the rain so they left.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because he's not worth that much.

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by P Brady on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn't know he had an option to pick up.

And considering a far superior Orlando Hudson had to take only 3 million guaranteed with incentives this offseason, I’d guess, it’s probably not going to be worth the risk of picking up his 4 million dollar contract.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he really only have a 3M contract

but how much were the incentives

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by freenarwhal on Sep 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.26 million based on plate appearances.

He’s making close to 8 million this year because he’s hit all of his incentives, but he was only guaranteed 3.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

o

On a completely related note, iTunes SUCKS

by freenarwhal on Sep 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does that say Carl is only making $1.25 mil in 2010? I thought it was $10mil

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, how is this chart affected if we sign and trade Aki?

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We get an OTBNL

which will subsequently be a Katana.

by Doug09 on Sep 1, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aneury Rodriguez?

HAW HAW HAW

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 1, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.
The other possibility would be trade Scott Kazmir, who is due $8 million next season. But we find it hard to believe that the Rays would trade a young lefty before his prime, and who is signed to a reasonable deal through 2012.

Welp.

In all seriousness though, nobody had any idea that Kazmir was going to scare the shit out of the organization enough to think that he wouldn’t live up to the value of his contract. His performance necessitated this trade.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Sep 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bartlett

Looks like I’m a bit slow, but with Bartlett going to arb, is it a forgone conclusion we won’t keep him?

by terp12 on Sep 1, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Tyler's dead on

His contact figure won’t be too large for the Rays to carry and won’t be the reason he’s traded. Bartlett gets traded if his value to another team outweighs his value to the Rays. That’s not guaranteed, I’d say it is more likely he’s a Ray next year. They’re really in a good position either way.

by tallyray on Sep 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rodriguez or briggy can take over at SS

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by raysfan81 on Sep 1, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So could Zobrist or Aybar

But I wouldn’t want either of them there. Briggy is the only legitimate backup option, and at this point, I think there’s still a pretty decent drop in value from one to the other, even if you assume Bartlett in 2010 plays like Bartlett in 2008.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 1, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brignac could pretty easily equal Bartlett's 2008 I'd say.

.286/.329/.361 line isn’t exactly hard to equal and he should be at least a +5 defender and potentially better than that. He’s certainly a step down from 2009 Bartlett, but 2008 Bartlett was not very good.

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by Tyler on Sep 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 Bartlett was a tale of two halves...

He was terrible in the first half and pretty good the second half. Cherry picking, but he’s now put in a year and a half worth of very good play.

When you look at the spread of possible outcomes, it just seems like a pretty big risk if the Rays hand over SS to Brignac in 2010. The Rays could get enough value to account for that risk, but it’s pretty significant in my opinion.

by tallyray on Sep 2, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an Angels fan, sad to see him go

Great upside, possibly fantastic power, good OBP.

But at the same time, no room in the Angels organization for him, with Izturis, Aybar, and Kendrick looking like they’re sticking around for the foreseeable future, Bobby Abreu probably coming back for the next couple of years, and Brandon Wood waiting to take his shot. Not to mention Figgins.

Esp. given Kazmir’s history with Butcher, I think this deal is working out mighty fine for both sides.

Don’t often see a trade this good for all teams involved!

RIP Nick Adenhart.

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by Clutch on Sep 1, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said, I agree

If Kaz can stay healthy, that contract pays for itself. How long is Morales under contract for?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A while yet, I think

He’s not eligible for arbitration until 2011; looks like he can be a Free Agent after 2013 or 2014, if I’m reading this correctly.

RIP Nick Adenhart.

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by Clutch on Sep 2, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kendry Morales inf
6 years/$4.5M (2005-10)

    * 6 years/$4.5M (2005-10)
          o signed by Angels as a free agent from Cuba (via the Dominican Republic) 12/04
          o $3M signing bonus
          o 05:$0.316M, 06:$0.35M, 07:$0.4M, 08:$0.5M, 09:$0.6M, 10:$0.7M
          o minor-league salaries: o5:$0.1M, 06:$0.15M, 07:$0.2M, 08:$0.3M, 09:$0.35M, 10:$0.4M
          o with 3 years of Major League service, may void remaining years of deal and go to arbitration
          o total value may reach $10M with bonuses
    * signed as a free agent from Cuba (via the Dominican Republic) 12/04
    * agents: David Valdes, John Mano
    * ML service: 1.060 (est.)

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim.html

by Doug09 on Sep 2, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

favorite quote of the day on this trade

After having heard S-Rod was headed to the Rays RevHaloFan/Walden is the PTBNL said—-
" YAWN… Told ya so

If you listened to my appearance on Biggsy yesterday you would have already known this.
by Rev Halofan on Sep 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions -600 recs "
(-600 recs added for effect)
Though he does say his ‘report’ on walden was erroneous.

Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation

by CubFanRaysaddict on Sep 2, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw that over there too, haha. They were busting on him good.

The best part was he was so sure it was Walden that he posted the story as factual.

by Doug09 on Sep 2, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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