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The 2010 Shortstop Dilemma

Baseball players are a lot like musicians. During their undiscovered years their fans value them higher than any mainstream act. This is when fans are most devoted. They help pass out flyers, they let their friends borrow the demo tapes, and so on. Eventually the band or rapper or whatever reaches mainstream status and seemingly loses the adoration factor because everything beloved becomes distorted and overstated. They're just another band now. Everyone knows of them and that mystique is gone.  Common rapped about a similar phenomenon in "I Used to Love H.E.R.". "Her" in this case refers to hip hop. He talks about how everyone does "her" nowadays and how that's affected their relationship and such.

Back when the Rays acquired Jason Bartlett, I think I was probably one of the half dozen people thrilled. During the 2007 season - using Range Zone Rating and Out of Zone Plays; this was the pre-UZR time period for me - I harped about the need for a defensive upgrade at shortstop far too much. I lusted for John McDonald, or Adam Everett, or ... Jason Bartlett. I doubt I named him, but when Andrew Friedman pulled the trigger and I looked at his defensive numbers I knew he was everything I wanted.

Of course people focused on his errors and pondered how a good defensive shortstop could make 26 errors and still keep his reputation. It all came down to range. Bartlett made plays out of his zone, in his zone, and in his neighbor's zone. Really he was a breath of fresh air after witnessing Brendan Harris' patented "three steps and dive" technique.

Along the way I've gained a reputation for hating Bartlett. I guess challenging the merit of his team MVP award while being cautious about anointing him as a suddenly great hitter causes such a label to stick. In that way, Bartlett has gone from underground sensation to a commercialized version of his past self. Depending on what my hipster friend is willing to pay me for my Bartlett CD; it could've endured my last spin. Regardless, I've enjoyed the Jason Bartlett era at shortstop. Whether it ends in a few months or in a few years, I do not know. I do know there are a few possible outcomes.

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 One of these four things will happen with the shortstop position this off-season:

A) The Rays will keep Jason Bartlett and keep Reid Brignac in Triple-A once more.

B) The Rays will trade Jason Bartlett and install Reid Brignac as the new starter.

C) The Rays will trade Jason Bartlett and install a stop-gap until they feel Brignac is ready.

D) The Rays will keep Jason Bartlett and trade Reid Brignac.

Why trade Bartlett?  For one, he's no longer the young, inexpensive player he was just two years ago. He turns 30 the day before Halloween and this off-season marks his second year of arbitration. Bartlett's 2009 salary was nearly 2 million dollars. With his best offensive season ever that figure will shoot up. Historical comparisons seem to suggest Bartlett's salary being in the 3 to 4 million range next season. That's not an albatross, but it could be an inefficient usage of organizational resources.

For one, Bartlett's offensive prowess is likely to revert closer to a .700 OPS than a 1.000 OPS. This isn't a shot at him, but it seems rather unlikely he goes from slap hitter to home run hitter. Next his defense is heading down a wayward path.  This is expected though. He's an aging shortstop with recent knee issues. When he arrived with the Rays his previous three UZR seasons were (in descending order): 7.8, 11.5, and 14.4. Since he's posted 2.1 and as of today -5.8. He's not longer a +10 defender, instead more like an average in the -5 < x < 5 runs range.

Make no mistake a player with league average (or slightly below) offense and league average defense at shortstop is worth 3-4 million. That's not the issue here and won't be the issue in the near-future.  The reasons for trading Bartlett would be two-fold:

1. His career high offensive year combined with stellar defensive reputation (plus intangibles) may convince a team to give up more for him than they should.

2. Bartlett might not be 3-4 million better than Reid Brignac plus his trade return.

We won't know about the first stipulation outside of leaked speculation. As for the latter one, we can estimate that Brignac is likely a below league average hitter next year and something like a -5 < x < 5 fielder. That's basically what I'd expect from Bartlett, with varying degrees of "below average" offensively. All told, Bartlett has to be about eight runs better offensively assuming everything else is equal.

But that's not the only variable. Bartlett can be a win better than Brignac and be the better player. Still, if a team offers the Rays a package fit for a five-win shortstop, can they really afford to pass it up?

What if Brignac isn't ready? Would the Rays consider Sean Rodriguez or Ben Zobrist? Would they bring in a Bartlett-esque veteran? Maybe they could just play without a shortstop (also known as the Brendan Harris experience).

And, what if, the Rays simply trade Brignac? This would signify they were fully interested in winning now. Presumably Brignac would bring back a decent major league part. Some reasons not to move him: he's young, left-handed, and under team control for a good six seasons.  

However this goes down, relish in the fact that this is the second time in franchise history - maybe the first, given B.J. Upton's defensive ineptness at the position - that the Rays aren't short on shortstops.

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i'd be very concerned erading offensive numbers

I also don’t see Bartlett repeating his OBP, but i feel he has learned how to turn on a fastball and he may keep the power

He also recently has improved his BB%

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmm

Add in similar turbulent fielding numbers and it seems like we’ve been down this road before.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well played

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if we signed Adam Dunn to play SS?

His defense would be brutal, but how many SS hit 40 homers and walk 100 times? None.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What type of return would you consider we'd get for Bartlett?

I’ll be more specific, in terms of MLB ready and/or ceiling

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Jon Lucroy and a young arm would not be out of the question

It’s my opinion that Alcides Escobar is another half-season away (at the earliest, more like a full year away) from being the type of player that can help the Brewers. They could use Bartlett for a season and if his bat continues to play up in the NL, then keep him or spin him off for something else. They have Angel Salome coming along at C, and it seems their organization thinks he has the higher upside. I like Lucroy’s bat a LOT. He would give us real catcher depth, possibly playing AAA next year with a call up late in the year. In the meantime, offload Fats and roll with a Blanco/Zaun Class of ’85 platoon catcher next year.

As for the arm, check out Zack Braddock as a possible closer of the future. This would be a B-level hitter and a C-level pitcher under 22. This would be a fair compensation package for 2 years of Barty.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's still 13 among qualified batters in the Southern League

He is actually slightly behind Lobaton in wOBA, but Jose is 3 years older

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not certain, but i question the park

the Huntsville team plays in

Looks like they have too many players who mash compared to others in the Southern League

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a scouting report coming into the season

LINK Possible homerism in there, but they like his defense as well as the bat.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without seeing him play or getting anything in depth, perhaps he is focusing on defense and calling a good game

They have had a pretty good line of hitters come through there over the last 5 years, it’s possible they are that good.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the Brewers could keep JJ Hardy?

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for Brignac DRB didn't think that much in March

Tommy and I each mentioned Reid Brignac, who despite injuries to both Jason Bartlett and Aki Iwamura didn’t make much of an impact. That can largely be chalked up to the emergence of Ben Zobrist, who was able to pitch in at SS and become the everyday 2B, all while hitting the cover off the ball. Bartlett also had a very strong offensive season, which meant there wasn’t much need for Brignac’s services. In 66 at-bats, Brignac has posted a .241/.275/.348 line.

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since the Rays have a surplus of middle infielders should they look for a trade for a catching prospect. If the Twins resign Mauer they have a catcher Wilson Ramos at AA that is very good. The Twins need Middle infielders. Is there a list of catching prospects that might be blocked. I would be more inclined to move Brignac and someone else to the Twins for Ramos.

by ta111 on Sep 14, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would think Aki would be a great fit with the Twins.

He might K a little too much for them, but he puts the ball in play, can field 2 positions, and isn’t crazy expensive.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd almost rather get a good 1B prospect

And there’s more room to trade those around.

What about something like Bartlett for Kyle Blanks and a reliever?

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by Brickhaus on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blanks is on my trade wish-list this offseason.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 14, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barty has been the 2nd best offensive SS in MLB according to wOBA, and the 4th best according to WAR

If it isn’t a jaw dropping package, I am certainly in favor of keeping him. Having said that, I am hoping for a very nice package.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Cy Young winners return a 18yo who ius labeled the centerpiece of the deal

i’d be skeptic to what Bartlett’s return would be

In other words he’s worth more to the Rays in ’10 then what he would bring

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take Bartlett's salary into consideration

This is not a firesale as that was. AF plays his cards well.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with AF's ability

I question the return and an adequate 2010 replacement

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you make this statement
In other words he’s worth more to the Rays in ’10 then what he would bring

without knowing what he brings backs?

Everyone crapped on the Kazmir deal and the MVB/Garza deal too, not anymore, and we’re already complaining about a yet to happen MVB deal?

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by Buc Wild on Sep 14, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's why i say that

I’m guessing we get prospects for him who won’t help in 2010

Also, we don’t have a replacement for him as we do with Kaz

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by SRQman on Sep 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He better be Omar with a glove, cause he can't hit

335 OBP’s in AAA don’t make me jump through hoops

by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who is this JB you speak of

I only know of MVB, not JB.

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by Buc Wild on Sep 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't follow this site at the time

But I don’t know a single person who didn’t like the Bartlett/Garza deal. Not one, and the issue with the Kazmir trade with most was the timing and not the return. The players seem to echo the sentiment of the busted timing.

by gatorman2k2 on Sep 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasnt referring to this site on those trades

namely because I wasnt around DRB when Garza came aboard. But there was a vocal portion of the fans who didn’t want to get rid of Delmon. Not saying right or wrong, but they were there.

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by Buc Wild on Sep 14, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could MVB be part of a package with an arm

to bring back a stronger return? Probably a dumb question as anyone could be packaged together, but maybe we can make a play for something we need (POWER ARM!!!!) by moving two guys or prospects.

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by Buc Wild on Sep 14, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Based on statistical regression and DH, league switch trends

I would think that better years from BJ, PtB, Evan, Los, a full year of a better catching platoon, would be enough to make trading MVB alright. There are a lot of ifs in that premise, but there are also ifs in the one that states that this is the true Jason Bartlett.

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by PlayOnWords on Sep 14, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More like trade upton, stick fernando perez in cf and then call up the next coming of cc desmond jennings mid season.

by Longo on Sep 14, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

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by RWRays on Sep 14, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry lol. I was focused more on who to trade, then the shortstop issue xD

by Longo on Sep 14, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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