Is there another Ray's blog site that isnt obsessed with saber metrics?
by mailliwkooh85 on Sep 17, 2009 5:29 AM EDT
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HOOK85 back ...
(I’m not welcomed here. That’s fine but at least let me put my LAST 2 cents in)
If you dont allow this to be posted, atleast read it first
Thank you in advance for the warm welcome back. As a few of you know I was banned for bad grammar…supposedly. I also stated a few times with a very negative response of how this site is overly statistical. I presume that is the real reason I was kicked off. As I was kicked off I didn’t get to answer why saber metrics at times is too much and I just didn’t get my last word in.
I admit I was wrong to complain about this site using too much math at times, since this site is clearly all about the numbers. Someone asked me why I don’t like to use saber metrics to compare established players, and you wanted to know what else is there? Take AROD and Albert Pujuls, they have very similar numbers. I am sure if you applied your super stats it would give you an answer, but does your numbers account for clutch, tipping pitches, steroids, longevity, competiveness, teammates, athletic? Those are factors you have to watch and understand the game. Sometimes you can’t just pick up the paper and think it will show you the entire story of the game. I’m not against stats being used. I was just upset that all the posts were 100% stat, without any interpretation at all. It’s too bad they don’t have another Ray’s site where you can say going from the top ten in ERRORs/FPCT a season ago to the bottom 10 is not a good season on defense without getting treated like a retard because “duh error uses judgment and we don’t use judgment here!”
I was kicked off for not capitalizing my letters, and using phone text at times. (If u cant read this w/out it causing a headache then I’m sorry n welcome to the year 2009!) RJ you banned me for breaking the rules, but direct personal attacks are perfectly fine.” I'm sure that accusations of intellectual dishonesty from someone who communicates with the wit and verve of a 3-month old paraplegic aardvark doesn't bother R.J. at all” I guess it’s ok to break that rule, but oh god make sure you capitalize your letters!!!
I know I said I wouldn’t care I was kicked off. So to be honest, when people continue to talk shit about you and you can’t say anything is pretty annoying. I was respectful, I didn’t take any personal shots, I continued to praise your site and I told you 10 times I didn’t intend to offend anyone. Lastly…there is a group of regulars on the site, and you people have become quite close. As soon as someone else comes in the room with a different opinion then the room, they get bashed. A person would make a statement and sometimes they had no stats to back it up, other times they did. Either way that person would get no respect, and would be talked to like they had no right to be in the same thread as you. I don’t know if you know this but your super stats are theories. They can help but the MLB still uses 1960’s style stats.
Ps- it may seem as if I have nothing better to then wine and cry about this site, well I don’t. I work the night shift and I’m either extremely busy or bored to death.
Pss- I wish they had a sbnation Ray’s site like BUC-EM.( Not obsessed with stats)
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Lastly…there is a group of regulars on the site, and you people have become quite close. As soon as someone else comes in the room with a different opinion then the room, they get bashed. A person would make a statement and sometimes they had no stats to back it up, other times they did. Either way that person would get no respect, and would be talked to like they had no right to be in the same thread as you.
They do this because it keeps either the idiots from taking over the thread (remember this is the home to progressive [super]stat analysis), or it keeps newbies in line until they can learn enough about ‘super stats’ to make a valid statistical argument. While it can be off putting at times, it keeps this site from denigrating into nightly populist rants about a team who plays 162 games. I’d suggest Rays Index, or most of the other sites listed on the front page for Rays blogs, RI has good writing with some crazy comments and no one is banned and rarely are super stats mentioned.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Sep 17, 2009 5:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Take AROD and Albert Pujuls, they have very similar numbers.
No, they don’t.
I am sure if you applied your super stats it would give you an answer, but does your numbers account for clutch, tipping pitches, steroids, longevity, competiveness, teammates, athletic?
You don’t have to use ‘super stats’ to see that Pujols is clearly better right now, and has been for several years running. Standard stats like hr, obp and slg should do the trick.
by GomesSweetGomes on Sep 17, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is obviously a lost cause
Pujols has literally been more than twice the player Alex Rodriguez has been.
by Navi's_Navy on Sep 17, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LETS SEE YOUR FANCY STATS CALCULATE THE PERCENTAGE OF TIPPING PITCHES
bitch
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he would have tried to use :)% in some anaylsis before he was banned.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the intracacies of :)% are far too complex for this guy
If he can’t see you :) then it didn’t happen, % be damned.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRECK'D FOR "Pss- I wish they had a sbnation Ray’s site like BUC-EM.( Not obsessed with stats)"
What you think all the guns is for? All purpose war, got the Rottweilers by the door. And I feed 'em gunpowder, so they can devour the criminals, tryin' to drop my decimals.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 17, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fail
on my part
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure when you read that line you hung your head in disgust.
Hey, you’re making progress at least…
What you think all the guns is for? All purpose war, got the Rottweilers by the door. And I feed 'em gunpowder, so they can devour the criminals, tryin' to drop my decimals.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 17, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sorry.
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by PlayOnWords on Sep 17, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(If u cant read this w/out it causing a headache then I’m sorry n welcome to the year 2009!)
Our parents have failed us.
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by PlayOnWords on Sep 17, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anti-intellectualism is alive and well.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chief watchdog: Carson Cistulli
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by PlayOnWords on Sep 17, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE WILL DESTROY THE VIRULENT SEED OF ANTI-INTELLECUTALISM WITH HIS PROSE.
SHINE ON, BRIGHT MAC BOOK. LET THESE KEYS LEAD US TO THE ROAD OF VICTORY, AND TO A FRESH MOCCA FROM STARBUCKS.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the Red Skull to his Captain America.
RJ is Bucky.
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by PlayOnWords on Sep 17, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he and most people fail to mention
is that baseball and football are two completely different sports. Baseball has always been stat driven and is set up to be that way. Maybe baseball and it’s followers are ahead of the curve in deriving these stats and football is lagging behind, but there are obvious differences in being able to quantify and represent the respective sports by statistical figures.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
slight correction: baseball coverage is way ahead of football coverage (though it's catching up).
Internally, football’s always been pretty analytical.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
analytical sure
but either football is way behind or baseball is way ahead in terms of developing, analyzing and utilizing stats. Football has the basics as does baseball (YPC/ERA, TD’s/W-L etc).
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, in terms of coverage, but I wouldn't be shocked if some organizations had some propietary systems for performance evaluation.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you can't remove interaction effects in football like you can in baseball
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thus it will always lag behind statistically
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.
I suppose this is about semantics now,. Statistically… most likely. Analytically, I’m sure smart teams are entirely capable of differentiating responsibilities and their results.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To an extent it will always lag behind even analytically
Just like basketball will. Interaction between players is very difficult to quantify and even more difficult to predict.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK people
I am cleary just making a fool out of myself, so i will give you one last comment to ridicule some more. I said I was wrong for complaining about this site, its not my site and if i dont like the fact of how it is ran then i should of gone else where. although the reason i came back i had to do one last rant of what baseball snobs most of you are. scratch that stat snobs. I have loved baseball all my life, i understand how the super stat works, i even agreed it does help. i just dont think every single conversation has to be about SABER METRICS, and maybe i went about it the wrong way but when i mentioned that, some how im some amatuer baseball fan, like you all know and love the sport more then anyone else.
And yea i still think its stupid that a non saber metric fan cant enjoy himself in here without getting belittled. a rays website should be for all rays fans, especially knowing how many we have. OH WELL I GUESS.
for all of you who continued to talk shit about me with this post, even tho my post was in perfect f’n grammar, and i even said i was wrong, you can go F YOURSELVES! im sure most of you wont be rays fans much longer any ways.
by mailliwkooh85 on Sep 17, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even tho my post was in perfect f’n grammar,
lol… what?
Shall I?
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine but at least let me put my LAST 2 cents in)
That’s fine, but at least let me put my last 2 cents in.
(One could argue the entire sentiment is flawed, but that depends on whether you are out of cents or not. Out of sense? I’d argue yes, but that is off-topic.)
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not welcomed here.
I’m not welcome here.
or
I wasn’t welcomed here.
Verb agreement FTW.
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... as my Freshman english teacher in HS would have said "AWK!"
I also stated a few times with a very negative response of how this site is overly statistical.
I think the following is what you meant:
A few times I also stated very negative responses (to what?) about the overly statistical nature of this site.
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I presume that is the real reason I was kicked off.
I presume that WAS the real reason I was kicked off.
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I was kicked off I didn’t get to answer why saber metrics at times is too much and I just didn’t get my last word in.
Since I was kicked off, I didn’t get to illustrate why sabermetrics is, at times, too much; and I didn’t get to say my last word.
Two Biggies:
1. When joining to complete thoughts using a conjunction (and, so, but, etc.) use punctuation to seperate the thoughts. Commas or semicolons are the key here.
2. NEVER end a thought with a preposition. It makes you sound like you went to Plant City High. (My Dad went to PCHS)
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why you are banned and ridiculed
You come on someone elses website and post ridiculous things like
said I was wrong for complaining about this site, its not my site and if i dont like the fact of how it is ran then i should of gone else where. although the reason i came back i had to do one last rant of what baseball snobs most of you are. scratch that stat snobs
I’m “non saber metric fan” for the most part, but I’m learning the stats. But even without any knowledge of the stats, youc an still enjoy the site, or here’s one, think outside the box and look at it from a different angle. Unless I missed initiation, there’s no class or any requirement that every 3rd word has to be a stat.
Nice apology by the way
OH WELL I GUESS.
for all of you who continued to talk shit about me with this post, even tho my post was in perfect f’n grammar, and i even said i was wrong, you can go F YOURSELVES! im sure most of you wont be rays fans much longer any ways.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All fans are welcome here, most just don't take offense when they get called out for their stupidity
It’s called learning by doing and most people are humble enough to adjust.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to have missed what happened.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guy wouldn't comply with hitting the shift key.
I warned him a good dozen times and he still wouldn’t do it. Typos and such happen, but when you’re blatantly being lazy about your comments, then I have no patience for you.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He used to bring me joy in my happy place
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you just hate!
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOOD JOB DOUCHEBAG DICTATOR WHY DO YOU ALWAYS BAN PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU
I would have deleted this post if it already didn’t have a dozen comments by the time I got here.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop deleting stuff so quickly...
this is classic.
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, I don't like giving people a stage to criticize the site specifically.
I wouldn’t delete a horrible post like this if it were about the Rays, but it’s about DRaysBay; it’s self-serving and attention-whorish.
Anyway, someone needs to learn the different between a criticism and a personal attack:
I’m sure that accusations of intellectual dishonesty from someone who communicates with the wit and verve of a 3-month old paraplegic aardvark doesn’t bother R.J. at all
Criticism.
You are a 3-month old paraplegic aardvark.
Personal attack.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not be offended if someone called me a 3-month-old paraplegic aardvark.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither would I, but that's not my point.
People mistake sarcastically veiled criticism with personal attacks because they both make them butthurt.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how he returns and uses the shift button properly only after he's banned.
Not before, when he was warned multiple times.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it just puts a bigger imaginary chip on R.J.'s shoulder
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the effing shift key do?
seriously. Is that command for spell check, or are you just referring to PrOPeR CapitALizaTIon
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a serious question by the way.
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by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to break it to you...
“They can help but the MLB still uses 1960’s style stats.”
Actually, you’re just thinking of the Royals. Everyone else has at least hit 2001-2002, and some teams even live in the present!
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can you follow the Rays and not realize the best teams combine scouting and stats analysis?
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same way
You can use microwaves all the time and not realize you need to take the tinfoil wrapper off of the Ding Dongs first.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That blows my mind
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure 85% of people who use stats -- myself included -- love the scouting aspect of baseball.
The problem is A) we’re not trained to make anything more than general observations and B) we know A and we know our eyes limitations when it comes to quantifying things over a stretch of time.
I love talking to scouts and reading what they think, but I know I’m not one. I use the numbers to back up observations and read just about any post I do about a player, I usually state something scouting related then support the notion with numbers. If you prefer analysis like “Joyce has good power” over “Joyce has good power, and this is supported by his average home run distance and his ISO….” then by all means find another site.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STOP USING STATS TO MAKE YOUR POINTS
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP BEEING A BOSTON TROLL, BOSTON TROLL
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gearing up for ODST?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are just trying to suck the money out of your pockets by creating a lame "expansion pack" with maps from online
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you've played the entire game then?
Then please, tell us more about it. Because last I checked it was two discs, one with multiplayer maps from Halo 3, and the other with a single-player campaign and all new multiplayer maps and modes.
If this is an attempt to suck money out of your pockets, then so were Halo 2 and 3.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Halo 2 and Halo 3 were
campaigns sucked!
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
I’m not a Halo guy, but there’s nothing that differentiates this game from the others in a more negative sense. I’m sure if you liked the others then this will be a good time too, and vice versa.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just messing.
I just don’t get into the whole Halo online. Firefight looks fun hence why I will be gameflying it.
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played Firefight mode with some of the guys from Bungie
It was pretty fun, except the regular soldiers still jump really high, which I don’t get. I thought they were ditching the super soldiers?
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is one thing that bothers me
also them using the SPARTAN laser and stuff.
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt like it was okay
Because I didn’t say who specifically I played with. Hooray for after parties at conventions.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, I used to shoot heroin and play dick tricks with 3D Realms.
Which is probably why Duke Nukem Forever never made it out of development hell.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...the fuck is wrong with you?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Modern Warfare 2 will cure what ails you
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a true thing
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really like to take a month off of work and just pull a WoW South Park on that game
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My business basically dies from Thanksgiving through the 2nd week of Jan.
I’ve got nothin but time
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you hiring for that period of time?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. It's comission based, and there are no benefits. Welcome aboard!
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, I'll run out and pick up some black face makeup and large
pieces of posterboard this afternoon.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll draw up a list of overpasses we need you to bojangle underneath over the next moth or so
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WELL GOLLY MISS DAISY THIS IS QUITE AN HONOR LET ME PUT DOWN
THIS WATERMELON AND DANCE MY WAY TO A GREATER LIFE
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I’m not a Halo guy. The Halo guys at my site are pretty excited for it though. Should be showing up before release, too, which they have to be stoked about.
I’m working on reviewing Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story right now. Next console game for me is Dead Space: Extraction I think.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omgz I wish I had my DS with me. Might as my mom to bring it up this weekend for Mario and Luigi.
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really good so far
Using Bowser is a lot of fun. It’s a very different from Brothers in Time. As much as I loved that, a change was needed for the next one.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I secretly long for the days when I could play FF3 and the shitty Jurassic Park genesis game with no worries beyond finding the best time to explore the joys of masturbation.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must say I am living the Good Life
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by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Jurassic Park game was horrendous
But kudos for FF3, of course.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should've played trespasser. You would have cried for a JP game as good as the genesis version afterward.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
Especially considering my folks wouldn’t let me play Mortal Kombat, JP was a gift from the god’s.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to hope you played Phantasy Star IV
Or otherwise I’m going to have to talk to your parents about their poor game choices for you.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mother would drink Jameson from 9 till 12 and beat me with an extension chord.
Needless to say, the only Phantasy Star going on in my house was me pretending I lived somewhere else.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is excellent
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Suttree, you're the Norman Chad of the 20 somethings
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take it back
Norman Chad’s third wife is a fox
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I forgot to modify with "virgin"
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, Norman Chad should have his legs run over by a tank
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PHHHBT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE WITH THESE STATS?
MY DRUNK MOTHER NEVER USED STATS WHEN SHE CAUGHT ME MASTURBATING ON OUR SOFA TO CHARLIE ANGEL’S EPISODES.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I was a huge Sega guy and PS4 is the only one I DIDN'T play.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of a sudden glad I never played Trespasser
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard it gave a kid leprosy.
That’s just something I heard.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should play Metroid Prime
That will cure it.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite criticism about that game is that someone saying that she'd starve because while she could lift and hurl steel girders with ease, she couldn't bend her elbow to bring food to her mouth.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to finish Batman asap
Gonna Gamefly ODST to play firefight then probably gamefly Mario & Luigi.
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So after 1.5 years of college you still haven't touched a girl?
Get off the games man, later on you’re gonna be mad that you can’t bang college girls whenever you want anymore.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's about as on-the-nose a response as I've ever seen
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Least I'm not gay
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really respond to yourself with that
umm, whatever you gotta tell yourself chubs
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh I know I'm not the gay one
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, even if he was gay he still wouldn't get laid.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Sep 17, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would know
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's not like lesbians where all the nasty bitches just ravish each other
I think there’s a weight limit to being gay or surely a dress code. I wish rglass was here to confirm what they will take and what they won’t
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were gay
then you’d be getting laid
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh So short overweight guys attract to the gays?
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
by SRQman on Sep 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When does this happen?
I awoke to three just this morning.
(It was tough sneaking them out of grandma’s basement though)
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've moved to a rigid 21+ policy
The college girls that you want to bang are all under that. The ones over have emotionally crippling issues or are fat, no thanks
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girls are terrible at videogames, I have no use for them
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if you can find an expert on the joystick she don't need to play
Wow new fantasy, pwning bitches on Call of Duty while getting dome, I’m going to rise up through your company fast with ideas like these
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fact: Having sex while playing a videogame is incredibly unfulfilling
Fact 2: Having sex while watching football makes you gay
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a great man for testing these theories
I don’t see how number one can be true. It’s like when Costanza was having sex, watching tv, and
eating a sandiwch. There is no way to lose there. Fact 2 I can see, but I’ve definitely had sex during
a baseball game and it wasn’t so bad. I just wish Joe Morgan had been calling that game and a
team of black guys were hitting so that he would have been actually paying attention.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FACT: I can't have sex with sports on.
It’s just too weird. Even when I had paper-thin walls at my house in college I’d turn the TV off and put music or something on. I just hate hearing the announcers during sex.
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a long, deep shot...
… right between the cheeks.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just have to get in that zone of hearing without listening
Try watching a horse race, though your chick might not be impressed with the fastest two minutes in fucking
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said they were in college, though.
Something about dancing to pay their tuition.
by rglass44 on Sep 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halso sucks.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Sep 17, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a spinner
Lowell Trolls!
And in a Lowell accent, that actually rhymes. Low-ell Trow-ells.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You excited to see Pretty Boy defend the black nation against the Mexican onslaught?
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to root for Floyd, but I really like how Marquez fights.
If Floyd feels like throwing a leading punch he will get murdered. That said, I don’t see him doing anything but countering.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say, when was the last time Floyd ever attacked?
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which by the way could lead to a fight v Paquio where neither lands a punch for 5 rounds
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I was home to re-enact this on Fight Night 3
Mayweather-Pac would be epic, except Pac will fail a test before it happens
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquez is a midget compared to Floyd
AND is way past his prime AND was always a bad matchup for Mayweather. I’ve maintained from day one that Mayweather would dominate and probably win by late TKO, and that this is really a mismatch designed to look decent on paper.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said, the undercard is really solid
All three fights should be exciting.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 17, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad I can't find anyone to split it with me.
I wish boxing was still relevant.
by rglass44 on Sep 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be able to find it on the net
It will come back, they just need a good white American fighter to emerge. Great White Hype’d
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 18, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Are you ready to see Pretty Boy win a UD?"
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Sep 17, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
It’s too bad they don’t have another Ray’s site where you can say going from the top ten in ERRORs/FPCT a season ago to the bottom 10 is not a good season on defense without getting treated like a retard because "duh error uses judgment and we don’t use judgment here!"
Any site that thinks errors and fielding percentage is an accurate measure of defensive talent is retarded. Read the stat guide, it’s explained.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish they had other Ray's sites like that
Because then I could not read them.
by Marc Normandin on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also like to not read such sites
Selgy
by mittens on Sep 17, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you wouldn't lie about your lesbinity.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you claiming that i'm straight
or simply that I lack the necessary parts to sustain human life?
Selgy
by mittens on Sep 17, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible.
I always say F when someone wants to know my a/s/l
Selgy
by mittens on Sep 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
is a list of all Ray’s Blogs that don’t use Sabermetrics
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/thinks long and hard about clicking a kericr link.... eventually declines
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I wish I had the gumption to break out Heater Theater for this
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heater Theatre
crickets
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK YOU CANADA JOE
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAH I just realised how big a troll the OP is.
Wishing this sight were more like Buc ‘em? That’s a troll
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We had a healthy exchange over at Buc Em
not sure he saw my point, but at least I can reference that if the hammer has to come out
www.bucem.com - SBNation's source for all things Buccaneer
by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should respond to every argument over there with a made up number related to DVOA
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustrated Serena Williams Snaps Dildo In Half Inside Herself
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh KSK
Next order of business: Shit talking. MANGOLD, I saw a picture of your sister on the COMPUNET! There’s a woman who could take a punch! HEY DA BRICK! How many a these sausage patties you think I can eat in five minutes? YOU WANNA THROW DOWN? Any you homos ever punched a gay? They make the funniest sound. Here, I made it my cell phone ring!
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite.
Men, lemme tell you something. Everyone’s calling us underdogs on Sunday. Well, THERE ARE NO FUCKING UNDERDOGS IN THIS LOCKER ROOM. YOU ARE FUCKING WINNERS. YOU ARE FUCKING WINNERS AND AFTER WE DISMEMBER THESE FUCKERS WE’RE ALL GOING ICE FISHING. WE’RE GONNA KILL, FUCK, AND DRINK. THAT’S HOW A REX FUCKING RYAN TEAM OPERATES.
by Suttree on Sep 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That post inspired me to take a dozen doughnuts into the shitter with me
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incredible
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The look on that broad's face is priceless
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got RJ's fav. comment of the day
from RI in a poll comment about would you rather keep CC or BJ—
Don says:
Write this down….you heard it in 2009…
BJ Upton will NEVER become the baseball player Carl Crawford IS NOW!
NEVER, EVER…. NEVER….This lifetime or any other……
So I guess that means keeping CC…..
Jess (RJ’s g/f I presume responded with)-Jess says:
Upton was worth 4.9 WAR last year, which is Crawford’s career high (though CC’s at 4.8 so far this year).
So you’re wrong
(Now for the favorite quote of the day) Don says:
Don’t know which WAR you were watching …but you could be classified as legally blind….I’ll stand by my statement…CC a stud..BJ a dud.!!!!
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Sep 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely hope this fanbase doesn't drive Desmond and/or Beckham away.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ gets a WAR boost over CC b/c he plays center right?
I know CC has refused to play center. Hypothetically, he is worth much more in center, yes?
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
though not as valuable as BJ defensively
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the idea is that the defensive positional value shouldn't matter
because its -7.5 for corner OF and +2.5 for Center, and C.C. is SUPPOSED to be 10 runs less defenisvely in center than he is in the corner. Its a little rough, but generally they would be the same player.
by Navi's_Navy on Sep 19, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Hook85
there must be one that you would like in here
by therayspartyleader on Sep 17, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He belongs on the heater, that's all there is to it.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The conversation boiled over to Buc Em
I hid the subthread, but it was essentially complaining about you guys and my comments here.
www.bucem.com - SBNation's source for all things Buccaneer
by Buc Wild on Sep 17, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHA
That’s a boatload of awesome. I’m wondering if TheUltimateBucFan chimed in, since I missed the thread.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Sep 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHATDABUC
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see it. PLEASE
The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls in Phoenix, Arizona.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he would've used the shift button after I warned him a half-dozen times this wouldn't be an issue.
It’s not my fault he’s stubborn and lazy.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 17, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's be honest
He probably hasn’t learned how to use his keyboard yet. Can you imagine how hard it is to find capital letters to copy and paste into a comment box? Way harder than lowercase
by Graham on Sep 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hook, there is a place for scouting and people do use it here
They just use advanced stats as well. There is a time and a place for both. For example when drafting traditional scouting is huge. If you were here for the draft then you’d see why. Also it does play a part in MLB. One such scenario is if somehow a players skillset fundamentally changes. Its rare, but it happens. For example BenZo has suddenly become a God. We don’t ignore 2008 and beyond statistically, but we know he is a different player these days. And I’d even argue that you are somewhat right in your Arod/Pujols comparison. Obviously Pujols is better, but factoring in small intangible things isn’t totally pointless. When constructing a team it is nice to know how good of a teammate a guy is and how he feels the pressure. Of course these things are really hard to quantify and unless the players are very close statistically I’d always take the better ‘stats’ guy. Even still it can play a part.
It isn’t cut and dried either way. If you are going to use one side exclusively, then quant > qual everyday of the week and twice on sunday. However the best minds will use both when it is appropriate to use it.
The one thing you should not do is use vastly inferior stats when there are better stats that show something different. That is a no no. The only way you can do this is if you have a very strong argument to back it up. One quick one I can think of his FIP and how some guys (say Javy Vazquez) always seem to do better than what we’d predict. Other than something like that it is pretty fruitless to bring a steak knife to the battle when the other guy has King Arthurs sword.
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Sep 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I have no idea why I responded seriously
Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.
by matthan on Sep 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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