Front-Office Efficiency (FOE): How much can $1M get you?
Being a small-market franchise, the Rays need to be especially careful with how they're spending their money. Simply put, we cannot compete with the Yankees and Red Sox if we attempt to run our team the way they do, a concept our front office knows incredibly well; however, I feel that not all Rays' fans fully appreciate the sacrifices that come with being a small-market team. While this blog's readership is among the enlightened few, let's take a second to look at many of these principles.
In order to be a succesful, competitive franchise, small-market teams must be:
- Strategic. Large-market teams can use their money to purchase high-end talent without having to worry about how much payroll space they have. If small-market teams want to splurge, they need to figure out who's going to be leaving to create the necessary space.
- Willing to assume more risk than large-market teams. Low risk, high reward players command serious bucks, so small-market teams are forced to rely on high risk, medium-to-high reward players. These are your Carlos Penas and Jason Isringhausens - players that may or may not pan out, but are cheap and worth the gamble. This also includes doing things like trading veteran players for prospects. It's an inherently risky thing to do, but one that is necessary to keep payroll low while maximing your talent on the field.
- Ahead of the curve. Find a market inefficiency that allows you to get a valuable player for cheap. Discovering the value of on-base percentage before anyone else did allowed Bill Beane to keep the Oakland A's competitive from 1999 - 2006. Well, that's simplifying matters, but you get the gist.
- Maximizing their returns. While large-market teams can afford to pay market value for talent, small-market teams simply can't. For example, the Rays have currently produced 44.4 WAR of value this season. If they were to pay market value for that talent (the going rate for one win this past off-season was around $4.6M), their payroll would need to be $204M. The Rays need to get the most bang out of their buck possible.
I came up with the idea for FOE the other day when I was pondering about the Rays' front office (FO) and the moves they've made this year. While we praised the Rays' FO this offseason for signing Pat Burrell and Joe Nelson, in retrospect those moves have turned out less than stellar so far. Also this off-season, the Edwin Jackson trade was fiercely debated at the time and the Sonny vs. Edwin debate refuses to die to this day. And with the Scott Kazmir trade most recently completed, I found myself turning a critical eye towards our FO for the first time in a while. That's not to say that I disagreed with the trade or was unhappy with the return; simply, I wanted to critically evaluate how effective our FO has been during its tenure. Our FO has been very active again this year, and maybe I was giving them too much credit in the past and not being thorough enough in my analysis.
So here's how FOE works. The idea behind it is to determine how much value a franchise is getting for every dollar invested in a player, so to calculate this, I took a player's total number of Runs Above Replacement (RAR) and divided by their salary. I then multiplied that number by $1M, so the final FOE score would equal the number of runs contributed per million dollars spent. The break-even point is about 2 runs per million, since a win (ten runs) is worth approximately $5 million. In other words, higher than 2 FOE and a player has been worth more than he's been paid. To get an idea of the metric, check this out:
The 2009 Rays' roster with FOE values included.
Ben Zobrist is ridiculous, but Longoria, Garza, Upton, and Howell aren't too shabby either. As you can see, league-minimum salaries are really helpful because even relatively modest performances can get you a high FOE rating. Remember, FOE isn't about who helps the team the most, but it's about value.
The Rays' roster doesn't say a whole lot that we didn't already know, though. We already knew that Zobrist and Longoria are incredible values (although I was surprised by Upton's strong showing and Crawford's middle-of-the-pack finish). It's tough to get a hold of this metric without some broader comparisons, so let's look at how the Rays have done as a whole this year:
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Positions |
Pitchers |
Total |
|
|
RAR |
308.8 |
135.6 |
444.4 |
|
Payroll |
$38,346,868 |
$28,557,100 |
$63,313,034 |
|
FOE |
8.05 |
4.75 |
7.02 |
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Year |
RAR (Pos.) |
RAR (Pitchers) |
RAR (Total) |
Payroll |
FOE |
|
2009 |
308.8 |
135.6 |
444.4 |
$63,313,034 |
7.02 |
|
2008 |
311.4 |
178.6 |
490 |
$43,745,597 |
11.20 |
|
2007 |
171.9 |
114.3 |
286.2 |
$24,123,500 |
11.86 |
|
2006 |
119.6 |
103 |
222.6 |
$35,417,967 |
6.28 |
|
2005 |
204.4 |
64 |
268.4 |
$29,679,067 |
9.04 |
|
RAR |
Payroll |
FOE |
|
|
SP |
108.60 |
$11,336,733 |
9.58 |
|
RP |
24.00 |
$17,220,367 |
1.39 |
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Yankees |
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|
Positions |
Pitchers |
Total |
|
|
RAR |
315.9 |
161.9 |
477.8 |
|
Payroll |
$137,194,100 |
$65,217,589 |
$202,411,689 |
|
FOE |
2.30 |
2.48 |
2.36 |
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Oakland - 2002 |
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|
Total |
|
|
RAR |
486 |
|
Payroll |
$40,004,167 |
|
FOE |
12.15 |
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Comments
I'll give you a two thumbs up. While
i admit it’s a bit much for me to swallow, i think the point you make is clear
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be good to clean up
all that dead money in the bullpen. Percy, Bradford, Izzy, Nelson and Shouse tie up over $10 million of the ~$63 million Payroll for doing nothing. Glad they will all be off the books.
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by Tommy Rancel on Sep 7, 2009 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That plus Aki at $5mil and a few arby contracts
they will let go (Gross, Navarro, Balfour)
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balfour
You are obsessed.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
by P Brady on Sep 7, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Aki is gone after this season
*yawn*
by raysfan81 on Sep 7, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he should be
Don’t get me wrong, i like Aki, but at $5mil and the fact that he’s missed large portions in 2 of the 3 seasons he’s been here, make it an easy move
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The FO has made a lot of really bad RP signings over the last couple of years.
One of the few marks against them. Hopefully, they’ve learned and won’t be wasting money in that dept this offseason.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets hope
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 7, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we have with SP--we need to develop our own
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 7, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Ty Wigginton for Dan Wheeler may have been necessary at the time
But in the end it is costing us a lot for a pitcher who does not pitch a lot, and whose value can be replaced easily.
by behn on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kudos tp Wills, Kalas and Jones for telling it straight
As the Rays’ bullpen was melting down again Sunday, Rays radio announcer Dave Wills pointed the finger exactly where it needed to be pointed. Sure, Wills said, Russ Springer gave up a losing grand slam to the Tigers’ Brandon Inge, but it was set up by walks issued by Grant Balfour and J.P. Howell.
“Those were the killers,’’ Wills said.
Team announcers — including the Rays’ sometimes — often try to make excuses for the home team, but it was refreshing to hear Wills go out of his way to point out what had gone wrong. And kudos, too, to TV sideline reporter Todd Kalas for mentioning that if the bullpen had done its job in the past month, the Rays might be only a game or two out of a playoff spot.
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BP
If the BP had not had it recent troubles and pitched like they did for most of the season, would there be so many criticisms about the FO making bad decisions? It is pretty easy to be a FO critic with the benefit of hindsight.
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Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't hindsight where statistics originate from?
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretend for a moment
Pretend for a moment that, god forbid, sternfan1 is head coach of the Rays. You are on a budget and need to produce a great team, because if you don’t douchy fans will call for your job. You only have the information available to you at the time of the decision. If you ever manage a reasonably large group of people you will find that not all of your decisions pay off, and sometimes your employees disappoint you. That is life as a manager, in business or in MLB.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Sep 7, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how does that relate to my post?
I’ll answer—it doesn’t
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I misunderstood your comment
I sounded to me that you were criticizing my BP post in some strange manner.
Gary Williams for President!
Put Rose in the Hall of Fame
by terp12 on Sep 7, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how many MLB teams have a "head coach"?
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, been on Buc em too much.
Gary Williams for President!
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by terp12 on Sep 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
Too bad the Times or Trib. doesn’t handle this topic. The average fan may appreciate the team much more.
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by terp12 on Sep 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd. Great Read.
I thought given how the Yankees were doing, their FOE this year would be high, boy was I wrong. I was not surprised, however, about last year, and most of our players didn’t have career years.
I think with all those bullpen contracts coming of the books next year, I think only Wheeler, Balfour, and J.P. will stick around, and we’ll have to go with a new bullpen. I thought Gorgen would be ready, but he’s hit a wall in AA. One, Maybe two of Niemann/Davis/Sonny will be in the pen, but I’m still not that confident in Sonny and Niemann out of the pen. If we trade Barty, I’d like to see a reliever to come back with some (positional) prospects. If that doesn’t work, If we can get someone like Brandon Lyon for like $1.5 Million, then I say go for it.
Everbody's Nobody
by RWRays on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meloan, Thayer, and Talbot
might be in the pen next season.
WHOO, LUKE! LUKE! LUKE!
ALSO! NOW THE HEAD OF THE PUFFY-ROD BANDWAGON.
by Some other guy who does not care on Sep 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meleon got DFA'd
picked up by the Pirates, then DFA’d again. I forgot which team claimed him.
Everbody's Nobody
by RWRays on Sep 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Thayer Talbot and Sonny in the bullpen
maybe Batemen as well based on RJ’s description of him.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bateman's GB numbers are down a bit.
http://statcorner.com/pitcherRP.php?id=461213&team=DUB&year=2009&leag=INT
But he still gets 11% whiffs.
Cormier averages ~52%, for reference.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see it around 50%
His other numbers look solid though.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
none would be considered back end guys
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Dan Wheeler when he became a reliever.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
theafter Saturday's loss Joe said the bullpen was #2 in the AL--what did he mean?
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERA maybe.
The bullpen isn’t that bad. Just really bad lately. Even great bullpens have relatively low WARs — thats why its not worth spending so much on them.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure. Didn't hear or read the comment.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His post game interview
best explanation for bullpens is Shapiro a few years ago—they are fickle and hard to really quantify based on one year to the next
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is correct.
Which is why the Rays added more relievers than they could carry at once and why they’ll do the same next year.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way.
I don’t have the study or the exact numbers, but a guy who used to work in the Yankees FO did a study on NL reliever transitioning to the AL and says they are better in year two. Not sure if that means guys who have never been in the AL or what though.
If Nelson is still around, could be interesting.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get him to minor league cotnract maybe
Seemed like his arm might be injured though because his velo was down so much.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
precisely
thats why you don’t go and spend a lot on FA to fill the bullpen. Promote from within. Thus thayer, sonny, talbot, howell, balfour, cormier, choate
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your point?
Thats why we have cormier, balfour, and Howell
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
formoving forward for the 8th and 9th--you're happy with them?
Pleeeeeeeease
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't we be fine with J.P.?
One bad month versus how many good ones these last two years? We have every indication to believe — minus him being hurt — that he’s fine.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BB are a concern, and w/o looking it up, i don't think he's ever been that good in that area
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea.
How about you actually look something up for once. Jesus.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's striking out 11 per nine.
This is an acceptable trade-off.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is retarded.
I’d like Nolan Ryan’s k/9 from every starting pitcher and Pujols wOBA for all my hitters. But none of these are going to happen
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then get used to looking UP at NYY and BOS
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like last year?
jesus, i try to stick up for you sometimes but your negativity is just too much.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want the Rays to win as much as the next guy
but we need to develop our own closer
Papelbon, Nathan, Jenks (LAA) are proof it can be done
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howell.
Mcgee is a possibility down the road
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake is a possibility
He blows people away with power, not smoke and mirrors
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earliest I think he could be in the bigs is
2011. Hope im wrong though.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking mid-2010.
He’s coming along nicely, no reports about velo, though.
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by RWRays on Sep 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wont argue mo because he is well once in a lifetime guy
But prior to September 2nd j.p.s k/BB was 2.77 and that was well into his current slide. Paps is 2.83. So yet another one of your stupid theories disproven. From now on either a)do actual research and make a valid point or b)give a nice comment with every negative one. You have a computer, I am on a cell phone yet I can easily look up the info in question but you can’t? You are quite ridiculous at this point.
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by jqueipo on Sep 7, 2009 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The JP hate is just mind-staggeringly stupid.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hate--that's reserved for Balfour--it's concern
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balfour- master of smoke and mirrors
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I am.
Are you joking? Howell has been amazing save one month. Balfour is solid and Cormier has been great. I’m happy with a combo of those three in the 8th and 9th. Yes.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put Balfour in any game i wanted to win
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll see when your hero isn't offered arvy
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not my hero.
He’s a solid reliever. And he will be offered arb. Guaranteed.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Balfour at $2mil--such a deal
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it is.
Many teams will jump to trade for him at this price if we decide not to keep him.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only teams like KCR or some NL club
or a team who wants to use him in the 6th or 7th inning would do that
by sternfan1 on Sep 7, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so basically any team
Good job describing all ml teams but disguising it as only 1 or 2
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by jqueipo on Sep 7, 2009 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
NIemann won't be in the pen
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 7, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be more accurate, is there a way to figure "runs above a replacement player" within your own organization?
Or is it even feasible? Aki’s value lessens when he can be replaced by Zo, as a matter of fact I guess that would apply to most of the players on the team. Having good backups is part of the organizational success, which is why I question comparing to league average backups. Playing a position that is weak overall helps increase the RAR, but if the team has a backup withing the organization shouldn’t it make a difference? I really like the premise here of determining value, I am just trying to understand it fully.
by Doyouseeit? on Sep 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LHP Mike Wlodarczyk promoted to Durham
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look like it
ERA vs left: 2.63 and vs right: 7.02
K/BB vs left: 6+ vs right: ~1
and go/ao is 2x higher vs lefties than righties.
I like him for next season. At least bring him to camp to try and earn the loogy role.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read this piece by Malcolm Gladwell a couple of days ago.
Seems to fit your opening paragraph nicely: LINK
Embrace Eternity
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really dislike Gladwell
He manages to bungle almost everything he writes. No one notices because most people who are reading a particular anecdote aren’t experts in the field. The “press” idea has little merit.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read The Black Swan by chance?
(Off-topic obviously, just wanting to know if it’s worth my time)
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after the tipping point and blink i swore off gladwell for good.
Big fan of freakonomics though if you haven’t read that.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swan's not by Gladwell, but it's sorta like Outliers from what I've heard.
And I did read Freakonomics.
by R.J. Anderson on Sep 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, haven't read it.
Might give it a chance if its not by Gladwell.
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apply that press idea as a metaphor to other things.
Embrace Eternity
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the general sentiment
I just think he used a really bad example to demonstrate it. The teams Pitino coached had a lot more talent than he let on
by RaysTheRoof on Sep 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to admire Pitino's ability to go to a floundering school, bring in his type of players, and then run them ragged
Not disagreeing with you, but there is very few finer things to watch than Syracuse making up double digit holes by pressing and running against other teams. I know that we are always in it as long as our guys have legs.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I bother reading the comments on most of these articles?
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by PlayOnWords on Sep 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice article Steve, I rec'd it like mah focker
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 7, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't dispute the merits of your thought...
But I do dispute how much $$$ the Rays are banking…If things were truly as tight as your theories indicate, then I wholeheartedly agree with every one of your premises. Having said that, I think the Rays have made more money then they want you or I to think. That makes it difficult to fully grasp how “small market” the Rays are. Are they as rich as Boston or New York, of course not, but what they have done this year, and even last year, the gap is closing. Yet they want you to think otherwise. That is my quandary.
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!
by joedobr on Sep 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A quote....
“Baseball doesn’t have an answer for the Yankees. Revenue sharing can only accomplish so much. At some point it becomes confiscation. It has and will not solve what is a very obvious problem. More often than not, $50 million on average will not allow an MLB franchise to field a highly competitive team. Every year there will be an excpetion, but that is really the baseline number. So what has the meaning are dollars spent above $50 million. Most clubs can perhaps afford to spend $10 million to $25 million above that figure trying to compete. A few can spend as much as $30 million to $60 million above that. But one team can and is spending $150 million incremental dollars, and at some point 29 owners and their players say to themselves, ‘We can’t have one team that can spend 10 dollars above the baseline for incremental dollard spent by an average team.’ One thing is certain the status quo will not be preserved.”
I got news for you, the Rays, with their “plan”, aren’t giving themselves a chance. It’s unfair, and when the media partners of the team start waking up and being critical, they will have to meet the merits of this quote in the middle. There is only so far the Rays can go. I am happy with last year, but I want to win, I don’t know about you. And it’s the fans fault? I say to that, look at where else the Rays draw money.. They constantly draw 8 to 9 local shares on their games….They have shown that capability. So on and so forth…
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!! Attendance is only part of revenue!!
by joedobr on Sep 7, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's the source?
TV ratings look real nice from what I hear. At the very least it should continue to bring in more sponsor dollars.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 7, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I am saying..
You are drawing 8’s and 9’s according to Nielsen on prime television games over the past month. Even if fans aren’t getting you to 30,000 a night, that is STILL money in their pocket and a source of revenue that is downplayed by the Rays.
Perhaps other local markets have a better payout for their local TV deals? Maybe the Rays should consider breaking off from Fox and buying their own local network to create another revenue source? Just saying…IF you have been as hot as you have been, then there is a demand for your product.
And to expect 30,000 a night when you have never drawn that before, folks, the ownership expected too much too fast. But you don’t throw in the towel and “cut your losses.” I completely understand and somewhat agree with trading Scott Kazmir, but the Rays aren’t really reallocating as they are trying to shorten their deck when they really have more bullets to play with. But as owners, you don’t give up, and you push and still dish out payroll in order to eventually get to 30,000 per night.
Something isn’t completely right going on here.
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!! Attendance is only part of revenue!!
by joedobr on Sep 7, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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