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Andy Sonnanstine Leaves No One

It's not the strong that survive, but the most adaptable. - A paraphrasing of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

At its core, pitching is a form of sadism and survival.

Every pitch is an act of disobedience towards the body's natural movement. Every base runner allowed is another to be blamed with. Every tendency studied, every pitch clocked and recorded, and if you have a weakness, it won't be a secret for long. Pitchers must constantly evolve in philosophy and ability to stick in the major leagues. The ones who don't fail to last long.

This brings me to Andy Sonnanstine. Sonnanstine has faced a little under 1,800 batters in his career but possesses a 64% strand rate. League average is generally around 70%. During any given season you would expect that ratio to regress towards the mean unless the pitcher has a history that suggests otherwise. Star pitchers are known to strand a good deal more than average while lesser beings strand fewer runners. This is to say that clutch pitching does exist - Tom Glavine being the poster boy - and tends to be a repeatable skill.

I do not know the exact batters faced total in which we should start looking at this being true talent rather than bad luck, but stuff like this tends to stabilize rather quickly - which is to say it's the anti-BABIP. With such, I decided to look at potential reasons for Sonnanstine's struggles (and this is putting it lightly) with men on for the first time ... well ever.

In state with nobody on base Sonnanstine's career OPS against is .741 (BABIP of .289) meanwhile with someone on (base is irrelevant) his OPS against is .899 (BABIP is .356), so what gives?  

To the pitchfx cave we go.

Star-divide

I started this research with the idea to look at every single pitch thrown by base state. Needless to say, with 16 starts in my database that became tedious and overwhelming. Instead, I limited the first test to Sonnanstine's start in Oakland. He allowed a plethora of baserunners and was always pitching with his back against the wall.

25 of 79 pitches were made without a runner on. That is an incredibly poor rate. Here's the breakdown by pitch type:

1 four-seam

4 sliders

9 curves

11 cutters

For the 54 with men on, the breakdown is as follows:

1 pitch-out

1 change-up

11 sliders

12 cutters

13 four-seam

16 curves

Sonnanstine goes from not using his four-seam fastball to using it quite a bit. His cutter is used fewer times relative to total pitches thrown while his curve and slider mor+e. Do these approaches on this day differ in location?

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It's hard to say. Sonnanstine appears to be all over the place with men on. How about release points:

Sonny2_medium

Even with the knowledge that Sonnanstine threw a pitch-out, the spread of release points - horizontally - is wider and suffers from more variation. We have a n of one right now, so while it would be easy to say Sonnanstine just isn't comfortable with his release points from the stretch - or perhaps comfortable with his original release point from the stretch and attempts to fool batters by changing things up - it does give us something to look at in other starts, and look at I did.

I randomly sampled three other starts which give us a sample size of one-fourth of Sonnanstine's total starts entering Labor Day. I found that similar tendencies were displayed in each; leading me to question whether Sonnnanstine is making a conscious effort to change his release points, why, and if this potentially causes reduced effectiveness. It's important to note these altered points are inconsistent with the changes Sonnanstine used upon arrival. Those were vertical shifts more so than horizontal. He's essentially sliding along the x-axis

I also wonder, given his improved statistics with men on in the minors this season, if the Rays have attempted to fix this. Minor league pitchfx data is obviously unavailable and I'm not going to put a ton of weight on what is one start back, but this is an interesting quirk, if not entirely telling, of the issues with Sonnanstine's strand rate.

Unfortunately there is little in ways of absolute. Maybe it's his release points, maybe it's his pitch selection, maybe it's something I didn't think of. I'm simply providing something that stuck out in the data I looked at.

Only time will tell if Sonnanstine alters his path from dodo bird to canary.

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I don't know what conclusion we can make from all this

but frankly imo Sonny has dropped to #7 behind Shields, Garza, Price, Niemann, Davis and Hellickson

Actually that’s not being fair to pitchers like Moore, Barnese, Cruz and both Rodriguezs

by sternfan1 on Sep 8, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

and the Talbot love

I’d take Talbot > Hellickson MLB right now (not long term)

by Navi's_Navy on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you'd be wrong.

Just like you were about taking Sonny>Hellickson

by RaysTheRoof on Sep 8, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torres now

I think Oliveros and Phillips could be good bullpen arms, still optimistic on Gorgen

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Gorgen the best of those three

Oliveros hasn’t been dominant enough to compensate for the fact that his ‘stuff’ is worse than Sonny’s. Don’t forget that Sonny completely obliterated that level.

Sonny’s also dominated AAA at a much greater level than Talbot, and who knows how Talbot will be when he comes back from injury.

Gorgen is a career reliever, which usually isn’t a good sign, but he has average stuff for a major leaguer, and if he can continue to get guys out at the higher levels, could be a servicible middle relief guy.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 11, 2009 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sonnanstine

What is the chance of him staying a Ray next year, or for that matter a major league pitcher? Hopefully, he will find his groove in the offseason and get back to 2008, but wow he looked bad in 2009.

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by terp12 on Sep 8, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Slim and none

and slim just left the room

i like Sonny, but his act is old and hitters have seen his “stuff” and have grown very comfortable hitting against it

by sternfan1 on Sep 8, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

no one had seen 30%+ cutters

its an entirely new mindset he has this year. Effects are obvious

by Navi's_Navy on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need to figure out a way to judge pitch chains.

I wish I could assign each pitch a number then run the standard deviation, but that wouldn’t work.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 8, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could you run a regression using a number assigned to each pitch as the independent variable

And Run Values of the pitchas the dependent variable?

I.E. FB = 1, CB = 2, SL = 3, etc..

Strike = -.20, Ball = .18, single = .9, etc…*

So you have his chain of:

1
3
2
1
3
3
3
2
 
and then the results of each pitch paired to the identifying number. Even if you don’t regress it it might be nice to see on a +1 to -1 graph showing streaks of competence.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

How?

He’s been no more effective in AAA this year than he was in the past.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 11, 2009 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why?

He pitched well last year, and it was entertaining to watch a guy throw a little more than batting practice speed do well. He had good control and was deceptive. He just hasn’t done those things this year. He also seems to be a likable enough person, but that is just a fan’s perspective of his public persona.

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by terp12 on Sep 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, missed that level

It was a bit high on the chain.

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by terp12 on Sep 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the format can be confusing at times.

Once you get used to it, it’ll be better. If you get confused or whatver just hit the “up” next to “reply;” it will show you to which comment the reply refers.

by rglass44 on Sep 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Sonny start the year in Triple A or is he out of options?

I’d like to see him moved to the pen and used for multiple innings, but I’m just curious about it.

by Suttree on Sep 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

with that said,

there’s absolutely no logical reason to have a pitcher who is struggling as much as he is in the major leagues, it’s just going to hurt him in the long run.

by davidsmarch on Sep 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, you ruined my spirit.

I’m not even watching baseball anymore. You’re just so edgy and mean.

by R.J. Anderson on Sep 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see him in the pen.

JP’s last year as a starter was pretty horrific, and he’s turned out pretty well. With his rubber arm, Andy could be a pretty good BP arm. Maybe he’ll get his head back right and he can be a swing starter or something.

by rglass44 on Sep 8, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Sonny in the pen

would be awesome, as long as he gets back to doing what made him successful (not throwing 30% cutters for one). Not only mixing pitches, but Sonny used to be so good at changing his arm slots and release points, and I feel like that really bothered hitters. Sonny is all about deception and he lost a lot of that this year. 2-3 innings of old Sonny (or close to it) out of the pen would make him a more than adequate long man. If hes pitching like he can, he can run through a lineup twice and be OK.

by BJ the Bossman on Sep 8, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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