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I had a dream...

"I'm sure if they gave him two weeks in a cage, he'd be hitting amongst the best in the game right now," Borris said. "But Major League Baseball will never give him that chance."

"If they would have let Barry play baseball until his on-base percentage dropped below .400, he probably would've been playing until he was 56," Borris said.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-12-10/sports/17182403_1_jeff-borris-bonds-career-federal-grand-jury

 

I had a dream last night. In the dream, a man was vindicated. The baseball world was shocked. The Prisoner's Dillema had solved itself.

In this dream, Barry Bonds is a Tampa Bay Ray.

After hearing McGwire, Rafael, A-Rod, and others admit to steroid use, he finally decided to come clean at a press conference in Tampa Bay - right between Andrew Friedman and Stu Sternberg.

Carlos was smiling. Maddon was reading Vanity Fair or something. BJ was obviously up to no good. Everything was right, all at once, for the 2010 Tampa Bay Rays.

Friedman said, "This is Bonds' shot at redemption. Barry is truly regretful for all of his actions in the past and wants to make amends and show the world what he can do without PED's."

Bonds even apologized. "My bad," Bonds lamented.

The Rays picked up Bonds on an incentives-laden deal with a $1 M base salary and another million per each 100 PA's. Burrell had been traded on a salary dump to the Cubs or Mets or Giants or Astros or maybe the Yakult Swallows, and BJ, Bonds, DJ, Crawford, and Lance Cormier gathered in for a photo op.

What, you have a problem with Lance being in the photo op? Why?

Afterwards, Bonds went on to post a .255/.405/.505 line for the Rays. He even played 3 games in the outfield, costing the Rays approximately 30 runs.

REDEMPTION.

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What range of wOBA would Bonds post with the Rays in 2010?
<.300
3 votes
.300 - .325
6 votes
.326 - .350
11 votes
.351 - .375
9 votes
.375 - .400
6 votes
.401 - .425
5 votes
.425+
5 votes

45 votes | Poll has closed

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Don’t forget: Bonds, 45, last played in 2007, when he led the National League in on-base percentage (.480), walks (132) and intentional walks (43). He hit .276 with 28 homers and 66 RBIs but received zero job offers for 2008 while under an indictment accusing him of lying to a federal grand jury about never knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

In his down year, at the age of 45, he got on base about half the time.

by elijahdukes on Jan 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

When the drug test caught him red-handed.

I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.

by kericr on Jan 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected

Replace his name with Pettite or Brian Roberts or someone with a soul

by elijahdukes on Jan 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by BWoodrum on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Barry Bonds would go great

with the new hole in my head.

No. No thank you. No pass go. Do not collect. Nada. Nunca. Are you kidding me. Just the thought of Bonds wearing a Rays uniform makes me sick.

This game means something to a lot of people. With Bonds, I feel that he doesn’t respect the game nor the fans truely.

Bonds right now is just a side show freak. People would tune in to watch the car wreck that was happening in Tampa Bay. The second Bonds would step into the box in the Bronx, you would hear the jokes and heckles.

When it comes to A-Rod, McGuire, Canceco, Petite, Clemens, Palmiero, and Bonds I just think it’s sad. It’s sad to the guys who played the game the right way but are talked about as if they used steroids. It’s sad the the fans who witness their team win a World Series and now, in the back of their minds have to question if the championship was won “clean.” It’s sad because some young kid looks into taking Steroids because they want the same results (the money, fame, stats) that Bonds and everyone like him has recieved.

If Bonds ever steps in to the box wearing a Rays uniform, I will be hoping that he fails. The Tampa Bay is a damn good place and deserves better then Barry Bonds to represent them.

I rest well knowing that there is almost no way that Barry Bonds will ever step on to another major league field, thank god.

Blah!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 14, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Bait?

I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Needs more tired references.

I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.

by kericr on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It's funny because you have rooted for steroid users on the Rays before.

But if you want to live in an imaginary land where players don’t try to get an advantage, then by all means, do so.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right as always RJ.

Thank you for putting me in my place. You are right. I wanted Zaun on the team… no, wait, I didn’t. You are right I wanted Gary Sheffield on the team… no, wait i didn’t.

“But once Zaun was a Ray I rooted for him.” You are right, I did. But, you don’t see me crying that we didn’t keep him. Zaun didn’t break a record or Hank Aaron’s. Zaun isn’t Bonds.

Imaginary world where we hold standards and people accountable, yes I do live in that world.

RJ, if I found out that stole most of your words from another site, i would call you a cheater, a liar, and I would hope you stop writing on this blog. If I was to cheat at my job, to get a promotion, i would be fired.

Look, am I so wrong to want those who represent my town’s team to be held to high standards?

Blah!

by thebaddancingraysfan on Jan 14, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You have every right to want the players on your favorite team to be clean.

The only part of your statement that I take umbrage with is when you say it’s ok for Zaun to take steroids because he didn’t break Hank Aaron’s record. Zaun is a so-so player who took steroids to stay in the league. Bonds was an already great player who took steroids to become one of the best to ever play the game. In the end, they both took steroids. One being better than the other to start with shouldn’t make it ok for one but not the other.

by acelion on Jan 14, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Naive Thinking

I understand your point, and it certainly makes sense that many fans are disgusted with Bonds or find him a disgrace because of his use of PED’s and blatant disregard for others’ opinions on the matter, not to mention the potential perjury charges. Bonds is the most polarizing figure in baseball precisely because of these issues. But, consider the following:

1. Bonds did not violate any of MLB’s rules, even if he did use “the cream” and “the clear,” as they were not banned substances at the time.
2. It is possible that Bonds was not aware of the legality (or lack thereof) of the PED’s. He is a ballplayer, not a physician or chemist.
3. Bonds is only one of hundreds of suspected steroids users, a list that likely includes most of your favorite players from the decade, including supposedly “clean” guys like Griffey Jr. and Frank Thomas.
4. Bonds has a remarkable ability to get on base, which is not contingent on pure strength but rather having a keen eye for pitches
5. Legends such as Willie Mays have supported Bonds and even admitted that they would have used steroids had they been available in the time
6. There is no conclusive way to tell if any of the players you know and love do not use steroids. In fact, I would argue that if the player played between 1999 and 2004, he probably did use steroids or HGH at some point.
7. Bonds played against pitchers and fielders who were also likely juicing, and outperformed them by a mile.
8. Bonds posted a 480 OBP in 2007, a year when he was probably not taking steroids.

and the most important point,

9. In America, we forgive those who admit their mistakes and correct them. (In general.) If Bonds were to come out of the woodwork and admit his use, and be subject again to MLB testing policy, at the age of 46 no less, do you really find that the steroids he may have used five years ago have had a serious effect on him today? And, wouldn’t you like to see just how well he can perform in the AL, at an advanced age, and without PED’s? And, if he did post decent numbers, would that not vindicate some of his numbers in your mind?

Simply put, the point is you DONT KNOW who took steroids. The only reason you take objection to Bonds is because he is a well-suspected user and the best ballplayer in recent memory, at least statistically speaking. He is rude, unpleasant, and arrogant. He is also the home run king, the all time leader in walks, and gets on base at a coin flip rate.

Bottom line, if you’re a Rays fan, and he were to apologize, you want him on the team. It would put butts in seats, generate publicity, and most importantly, dramatically improve the DH position with a good LH bat.

by elijahdukes on Jan 14, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think that was his point

I think his point is that there have probably been a number of players you have rooted for who have never been implicated over the years, some of whom were probably using while they were playing for the Rays. The Mitchell report didn’t ‘catch’ anyone. It just aggregated the information already out there. 3/4 of the players who used during the steroids era have likely gotten away with it.

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by Brickhaus on Jan 14, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Chances are it’s not just Zaun or Bonds or McGwire or {insert Mitchell Report guy here} – I would say the majority of players who played between 99 and 04 were juiced some way or the other, and you can’t blame just one particular guy, because the rules of game theory hold: if your competition is doing it, you have to, or you don’t get to continue to play the game you supposedly love.

And a larger point: if one guy is to be held accountable for all of this, its the commish. If you think Bud Selig didn’t know what was going on during the magic years, you’re either really foolish or… ok yeah just foolish. Selig HAD to have some inkling of what was going on, baseball people knew that those types of power numbers were unprecedented, and Selig profited more than anyone else (well, except the owners). I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the owners and especially the coaches or managers gave some of these guys contacts – “You wanna help our team win? Get on the juice. Everyone else on the team is. No, they’re not on the banned substances list. Call this number.”

by elijahdukes on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  






I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.

by kericr on Jan 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

lol
Afterwards, Bonds went on to post a .255/.405/.505 line for the Rays. He even played 3 games in the outfield, costing the Rays approximately 30 runs.

--Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..

by raysfan81 on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

he only needs 4 RBI's to get 2,000

--Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
--Someone should slap Larry Brown and bring him back to reality..

by raysfan81 on Jan 14, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

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