The Open Arbitration Thread
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 19, 2010 11:10 AM EST
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The basics are as follows:
- By noon, both, the team and the players' agents will have submitted arbitration figures.
- The players, in this case, means Jason Bartlett, Matt Garza, J.P. Howell, and B.J. Upton.
- At this point, the Rays cease short-term negotiations. It's fair game if Larry Reynolds calls up Andrew Friedman and says, "Hey, let's talk about that eight-year extension for Bossman."
- This is a team policy, not a league policy.
- Arbitration hearings are generally in February and the only two guys to challenge Friedman in such a manner have been Josh Paul (twice, actually) and Dioner Navarro. Neither won.
- There's a chance the Rays could actually save money going to arbitration, given that arbitrators look at things like batting average, RBI, and save percentage.
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I think Garza and JP are going to get killed on RBI score.
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by PlayOnWords on Jan 19, 2010 11:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Funny dialogue during BJ's arb hearing...
Friedman: BJ’s batting aver age was bad last season.
Reynolds: But his defense was top notch…..
Friedman: But no Gold Glove, therefore I refuse to believe it was top notch. Not to mention he was lazy.
Reynolds: His UZR and Range Factor were excellent.
Friedman: I dont know what these words mean. He had awful RBI totals and no power.
Reynolds: But if you look at previous years…
Friedman: I’m sorry to interrupt, but isnt it a little absurd to bring up prior seasons. Last season is plenty to judg BJ on.
Friedman: I’d like to introduce a character witness…
Reynolds: Wait, what?
Friedman: Yes, Mr. Steve Duemig has been watching baseball for 50 years and says that BJ doesnt pass the eye test….
Reynolds: But DUI….
by td32 on Jan 19, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I hate that this is how arbitration works.
I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.
45 minutes later.... Bartlett's Arb hearing
Bartlett’s agent: He was team MVP in 2008 and had incredible offensive numbers in 2009. HR’s and Batting average were top notch for a SS.
Friedman: His BABIP was higher then it should have been, and his HR’s were an outliar. Regression will occur.
Bartlett’s agent: BABIP? Regression? I dont know what that means….Whatever, he is one of the best defensive shortstops in the game.
Friedman: His UZR and Range Factor suggest he is a below average defensive SS.
Arbitrator(same one as BJ’s): Mr. Friedman, you didnt know what that was an hour ago.
Friedman: I read DraysBay for the past hour. It educated me.
Bartlett’s agent: Well Marc Topkin said….
by td32 on Jan 19, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
J.P.s hearing
Friedman: Hey, JP, here’s like….2 mil. And a bag of funyons. That sound cool?
JP: Dude….yeah man!
by staplemaniac on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
All Star tho.
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by PlayOnWords on Jan 19, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is the problem here? Offer JP 600K and a bag of Cheetoes and be done with it.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions
That is an offensive foodstuff to the ginger people.
Make it a Taco Bell GC.
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by PlayOnWords on Jan 19, 2010 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade friendly too.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jan 19, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
This.
There’s always somebody in need of a shortstop come July. If Briggy’s bat is performing well in the minors, I could see the Rays making that kind of move for the right piece. (DAYTON MOORE, BILLY BUTLER IS FAT AND USELESS.)
They actually seem to overvalue Butler.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 19, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
we'll see--too many prospects hit a wall somewhere, let's hope he climbs over it
btw—tpolsy is a word used for talentless
from the Topkin article
Bartlett said he had hoped the talks would include a long-term deal with the Rays: "That was my ultimate goal. I was all for it, but they didn’t want to discuss it.’’
No one wants to discuss a long term extension after a fluky career year Jason…
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 19, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
It'll be even more hillarious if BJ signs a deal to buy out a year of his arb.
It won’t happen, but hot damn the Heater comments will be priceless.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 19, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Damn. Seems low. Nice.
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by PlayOnWords on Jan 19, 2010 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Any reason why a one for $4 was more advantageous (for the team) than a 2+ year deal?
I understand he probably isnt here long term, but wouldnt his lack of long term contract detract anyone from trading for him?
Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow
Wouldn't he still be under team control for anyone that trades for him?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 19, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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Yes, the only difference is a locked-in cost certainty, versus having to go to Arb again
I wouldn’t sign him at this point, if he gets off to a good start his trade value it still through the roof. If he doesn’t, the team is protected from that inflated locked-in rate.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think that there's a scenario where we trade him if he's here once the season starts.
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There's plenty of them
- We fall out of contention early
- Severe injuries to 2+ starters, 4+ Positional players
- Briggy comes out on fire
- Sick offer gets made
- Zobrist quits wasting all his energy making little Zobots and finally has the stamina to play SS.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
The only one I could see is us falling out early while MVB has a monster start.
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Right...
it doesn’t seem like it would make him more attractive to a trade partner having him locked down for another year. If he was ever going to stick to his guns and take the team to arbitration it would have been this year. Right?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 19, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
When the day is over, I think only B.J will be headed to hearing
And I def think JP will sign soon.
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its just like, my opinion, man
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If you know so much about negotiations...
Why are you sitting here on a message board at 1pm in the afternoon?
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by Jason Collette on Jan 19, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that's bait. Take it.
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BJ to Arb
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
A long term deal wouldn't be smart for Beej, but I don't think he's going to be done well by at the hearing.
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Agreed....
I would imagine arbitrator’s dont care much about UZR and defensive saber stats. That’s about all BJ has going for him. He has declined in offensive production since 2007 and was wretched last season offensively. I hope he has a bounce back year similar to 2007…that would be nice.
If anyone wants to look at comparable Arb-2's that already signed prior to today, Jack Moore has a great read on FG
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-preliminary-look-at-the-arbitration-market
It’s crazy what a stupid process Arb is. Heath Bell got a 1/4, while Bobby Jenks got a 1/7.5 and Uggla got a 1/7.8. Seems like the Barty deal isn’t too bad considering the comparable Arb-2’s. We’ll know more once some more guys get signed.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions
And then there was Garza
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I'd still like to roll that into a 4/12 type deal
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
He's looking for 4/20
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 19, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My kid could be reading this
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Arb is cool and all (FUN!), but have there been any more whispers about Jimmers?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Have heard nothing on Garza
I just have a feeling they are talking about a long term deal with him so his deadline isn’t tonight like BJ’s
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What did Garza ask for again?
So excited that Bartlett got his 4M…
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by raysbabyrays on Jan 19, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind, Garza signs for 3.35 mil
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thanks joey....good to hear
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by raysbabyrays on Jan 19, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
It's a good thing Topkin reported he'd get that much a few days ago.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jan 19, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
? seriously or joking
The only thing they could have said about Garza last year was that he got no run support….why would this shock you? Plus seeing as how they gave it to him, I think TB agrees that he is worth it.
Of course, as I suspected things are just getting more interesting with B.J. hmmmmmmm
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by raysbabyrays on Jan 19, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
You never read this site before joining did you?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 19, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Really.
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That's 100k more than Ryan Spilborghs got and 500K less than Billingsley
Seems about right.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Spilborghs got a 2-year deal
$3.25M for 2 years, not one.
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19 players playing above league minimum right now
66.4. This does not include BJ or the non-arb guys. This includes th Shouse and Zaun buyouts
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So there's still room for Pujols.
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You don't know how many times I have seriously thought that we could add him
Pujols, free pitching, and a bunch of free glovemen can go a long way.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I found this baby picture of him the other day
Hopefully he’s gone.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 19, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sup SRQ.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 19, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
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