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Report: Tampa Bay Rays "In" On Orlando Hudson

This possibility was floated by the very same Buster Olney earlier in the off-season as well.  Presumably this would either leave Matt Joyce or Dan Johnson as the lefty bat off the bench (if they wanted to save some service time on Joyce and let him continue playing full time) while Ben Zobrist manned right field and Orlando Hudson took over at second base.

Hudson is a pretty good hitter, especially at second base. He's a switch-hitter with an above average wOBA in every year but one since 2004. He walks, puts the ball into play, and uses his speed. He's essentially an improved Akinori Iwamura; right down to not stealing as many bases as you'd think a guy with his skill set would. Defensively, UZR has scored Hudson as -3.3, -5.1, and 0.5 the last three seasons. Back in the days of yore, Hudson was one of the finest defenders in baseball. He's not that anymore. Plus/Minus and the Fans Scouting Report are still positive on him. Call it -5 < x < 5. That's a downgrade from Ben Zobrist's 2009, but what isn't?

All told, Hudson has the potential to add 2-3 victories, but not without cutting into some of the wins already accumulated. If the cost is right, like say around the $3.4M Hudson made last season, then of course he makes sense. This doesn't mean the Rays aren't confident in or fans of Matt Joyce. Honestly, 2010 is -- please excuse my bluntness - a balls to the wall season. Lots of things can change in 12 months -- too many things to really grasp -- but this seems to be the best chance to win a title for at least the next two years.

I would also add that this isn't the first time this front office has been reportedly interested in acquiring O-Dog. Rumors of him being a target trace back to his final days in Toronto. And consider this: the Rays could conceivably turn Akinori Iwamura into Rafael Soriano, then acquire a slightly better version of Iwamura for less than they would've paid the original Aki. Nifty.

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This would create another fantastic problem with depth.

I love Matt Joyce, but if you can add another 2.5 WAR player for below market value, then you do that. I can’t even being to think of the bench combinations this would create, but I would think something like Kapler/Aybar/Catcher/Rodriguez would give you amazing in-game flexiblity plus the ability to play LH/RH matchups. This would likely mean delaying Matt Joyce and Reid Brignac another year, but that’s not necessarily a lack of confidence as R.J. said or a bad thing in terms of service clocks.

For the right price, it should be done.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 26, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Also.

We can call B.J., C.C., and O.H. the Stallionaires.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 26, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Rays In On 'Player X'" is 2010 code for "'Player X' signs with fringe contender team for at or below market value"

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by PlayOnWords on Jan 26, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

I don't like a MI tandem of MVB and Hudson.

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by PlayOnWords on Jan 26, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

I love O-Dog but I really want Joyce to play

so my solution is we have to waste someone’s defense and the worst of the 3 is Hudson

Put Joyce in RF
Zobrist at 2B
Hudson to DH

and please, please send PTB and like 3 or 4 mil to another team. We have Pena, we don’t need 2 guys with a low average, tons of k’s and in PTB’s case hopefully power.

As for our bench, we have Navarro who will play more than your average backup, Kapler to mash lefties and backup all 3 OF spots with a great glove, Aybar as a back up 1B/3B (with O-Dog, I don’t think he would be even an emergency 2B) and hopefully Sean Rodriguez who can take over for anyone except Shoppach/Navarro

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by joeybw on Jan 26, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hudson at DH decreases his value so much you're better off staying stat quo.

Would love Joyce to play as well, but I’m not passing up the chance to add some cheap value.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 26, 2010 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow didn't think O-dog could be had for a reasonable price.

With O-Dog at 2B and Zobrist in RF…..wow, thats a line-up.

by twenty5psi on Jan 26, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

Gosh, I'm not sure this one excites me

The defensive infield takes a decent hit. Is Hudson’s offense enough to offset the defensive loss? Would it be wiser to spend less to bring back Gross if they want to save Joyce’s clock? Gross/Kap in right with Zo at 2nd is much better defensively. I’m going to look at Gross’s 2009 carefully tomorrow. He really seemed to have a tough luck season. Gross and a reliever sounds like a better deal to me than O-Dog. Not a slight in any means to him.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Man the Rays all of a sudden seem to be in everybody

I would like the addition of O-Dog, add some nice Offense and his D must not be to bad I mean a gold glove must still mean something today(then again Jeter won one this year).My only question is where would he bat in the lineup?In the 9 spot?

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by thedudeofdudes on Jan 26, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

What about...

Trading Burrell (somehow) and letting Joyce and Aybar platoon at DH? Let Hudson take over second base, Zobrist in RF and a Joyce/Aybar DH platoon?

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 27, 2010 1:53 AM EST reply actions  

Seems like a waste of resources

Hudson can post a ~.775 OPS with a positive projection of 0 UZR at 2nd, while Kapler/Joyce could post a similar OPS (give or take .025 points) with +5-10 def. and Zobrist can match Hudsons OPS while possessing a semi-conservative projection of a +5 UZR at 2nd. Hudson is only reasonable if we’re looking at delaying service time and think that a -1 WAR difference is worth one year delayed service time and a $3-5 mil salary.

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by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 27, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I would like this move that much

Potential to add 2 – 3 wins? Sure, if Joyce doesn’t make normal progress for someone at his level. But as I see it, Hudson isn’t a defensive upgrade from Zobrist at 2B, and Zobrist isn’t much of a defensive upgrade from Joyce in RF (and Zobrist is enough better at 2B that the difference between him and Hudson there probably offsets any benefit of having Zobrist over Joyce in RF).

So the question is just mostly whose bat is better. Hudson is about a .280 EqA guy. Joyce is about a .270 EqA guy. I just don’t see enough of a difference there to justify the expense.

And I’m not sure I buy the service time argument either. Joyce is already 26. No point in missing his prime years to push his service time back.

The only way this deal would make sense is if the team can do a salary dump on Burrell.

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by Brickhaus on Jan 27, 2010 3:05 AM EST reply actions  

And even if they dump Burrell

I’d almost rather give Rodriguez a shot at DH

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by Brickhaus on Jan 27, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a bingo

It would be nice to pick up a vet like O-dawg, but I feel like we need to see what we have with S-Rod, Joyce, & Briggy.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I’d rather bring Rocco back, leave Zorilla at 2B and sign Calero.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 27, 2010 6:05 AM EST reply actions  

Rocco < Kapler

A lefty complement like Gross as Joyce insurance makes more sense.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 27, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Rocco>Kapler

Rocco is a better hitter, and has a better arm. But I’d like Rocco as a possible DH if PtB tanks again. Rocco also played 3 innings at 3B, so maybe he could work in at the infield corners as well.

As for a lefty bat, I’d have liked to have seen them eat half of PtB’s contract just to unload him, then grab Thome. They probably could have signed Thome and Calero or Park for half of the cost of PtB’s money.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jan 27, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

This is either wonderful sarcasm

or you don’t know what you’re talking about. Rocco is not better than Kapler. Rocco is not better than Burrell. Rocco cannot play 3rd Base. Rocco cannot be counted on for more than 300 PA. ( I feel like Dr. Seuss) When have we ever eaten half a contract just to unload a guy? That’s not the way this FO works. We don’t piss away money like that, we just don’t. I don’t understand how people don’t get that Burrell had the worst season of his career in 2009. Even if he’s finished, he won’t be that bad again. You really want a lefty bat that can be counted on for more games than Rocco? Barry Lamar Bonds.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Also more jewish.

I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.

by kericr on Jan 27, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Durham would be so nasty

1B Shealy/DJohnson
2B SRod
SS Brignac
3B Nowak?
CF Deezy
RFJoyce
LF Ruggs
C Jaso/Lobaton
DH Richard/Weber?

Hellickson/Sonny/Hernandez/Cromer/Phillips? possible midseason Aneury
Bullpen: Abreu/Bateman/Swindle/Oliveros

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 27, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing I like about this possibility:

Depth

162 games (plus hopefully the playoffs) is a lot of games. It takes a toll on a team. Adding O-Dawg allows for fantastic depth in the case of injury. Day to day bumps and bruises can easily turn into a quick 15 day DL stint to allow players to fully recuperate. MVB gets banged up, bring up Briggy. O-Dog? Briggy or Puffy. Etc. Etc. Etc. Especially when you factor in Zorilla.

by rglass44 on Jan 27, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I feel like there already is the depth

That’s the advantage of having so many versatile players. We have at least two servicable backups at every position except catcher and 1B.

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by Brickhaus on Jan 27, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Aybar isn't serviceable at first?

I agree that positional flexibility is worth it’s weight.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing I wonder

is that isn’t Zobrist of greater value as a 2B than as a RF? I think Zobrist and Joyce/Kapler would provide more overall value to the Rays than Hudson 2B, Zobrist RF (and Joyce back in Durham, I presume?).

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

On the topic of FA bargains

If Damon was available for an Abreu-type contract, would you want him here? The guy is a tough out that can play LF or DH. You could probably stick him on first as well. If we could get him for 1/5, would you?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

It didn't stop us from conjecturing about it

That’s more of my point, we really didn’t have room for him, but if you can add his bat for peanuts you try to find a way. Same with Hudson. Same with Damon. Same with BARRY LAMAR “U.S.” BONDS

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite frankly

the fact that Damon and the Yanks have still yet to come to terms bothers me.

Damon has no market right now and OPSed .915 at Yankee Stadium last year. Yankees LF spot is vastly below average. It’s a perfect fit.

Irritating.

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I like what Stu said on the Brighthouse interview a couple of weeks back

Ben Zobrist will be the 2B in 2010 for the Rays. Sometimes it’s better to leave well enough alone.

by rickrays on Jan 27, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Not that this is necessarily the case here

but I’m sure you’re aware of the concept of “posturing”?

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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