B.J. Upton and Possible Arbitration Comparisons: Shane Victorino, Melky Cabrera.
Pardon me as I disqualify things like hurt feelings, perceived hustle, heart, and desire for this exercise. In their place I want to take a look at the potential hearing between Larry Reynolds, B.J. Upton and the Tampa Bay Rays using metrics that we can quantify. I say potential hearing because there is still hope that a multi-year deal can be reached before a hearing. And as we learned this past Monday, B.J. Upton is "definitely" up for such a deal as well. It is no shock the Rays are interested as well.
Looking at this year's arbitration eligible center fielders, I don't see much of a comparison for B.J. Upton. The closest that I, as well as Baseball-reference, could come up with is Melky Cabrera, and that doesn't seem to be very apt. Cabrera, a below average hitter and a slightly above average defender, is quite a step down from Upton. His career .316 wOBA is slightly higher than the career low .310 Upton posted in 2009. He avoided arbitration with his new club, the Atlanta Braves, and signed a one-year contract worth $3.1 million dollars.
Looking at that comparison, one would say that Upton's request for $3.3 million dollars is beyond fair. Regardless of how this case pans out, the gap between Upton's camp and the Rays is a mere $300k. That said, we thought the same when the Rays went to an arbitration hearing with Kendall Almerico and Dioner Navarro over $400k and we all know what happened (I don't mean Navi got his feelings hurt and tanked). While the Cabrera comp works well for Upton, the Rays are likely to bring up another first-year arbitration eligible centerfielder for their own case
Looking through the first time arbitration candidates from last year, Shane Victorino jumps off the list as a possible comparison. Looking at his numbers through the 2008 campaign, and his name will almost certainly come up at some point if potential hearing takes place. Victorino went into the last offseason with a career slash line of .281/.342/.421. That's good for an OPS of .763 in over 1.500 plate appearances. Despite being four years younger, Upton heads into his hearing with just under 1,900 plate appearances, but a near identical OPS of .762. Upton's average isn't as shiny as .281, but his debated slash line will be .266/.352/.410. For sabermetric use only, their cumulative wOBA's were nearly identical as well.
Unfortunately for Upton, sabermetrics nor the fact that he has center field covered like Darrelle Revis will have much merit in an arbitration case. Despite back to back finishes as the American League UZR runner-up in center field, Upton has no hardware in the form of a gold glove to show for those efforts. Victorino, on the other hand, has been largely average in center field and owns a UZR/150 of less than half of Upton's in center field. Nonetheless, the flyin-Hawaiian was considered a gold glove defender in 2008.
The similar offensive numbers as well as the 1:0 gold glove ratio works in the Rays favor. Also working in their favor is the fact that Victorino signed a one-year contract worth $3.125 million last season, or ~$200k less than Upton's request. Sure, he just inked a three-year deal worth over $22 million dollars, but multi-year contract comparisons are a no-no in arbitration arguments.
Andrew Friedman is on record as saying there will be no winners in an arbitration hearing regardless of the outcome. However, looking at the possible arguments that could be made, I'm sure the Rays would go into a hearing with a pretty good feeling that they will leave with $300k in the bank. With the gap being so small, hopefully a Franklin Gutierrez-esque extension can be reached before the finger pointing begins. If not, then Upton, a 25-year-old grown man, understands that business is the name of the game and says he will not take anything personal; spoken like a true malcontent (/sarcasm).
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I think the TIME IS NOW to get this done.
For the third straight year we are expecting big things, and one year we’re going to be right. If he does have a 2007-esque season, his arb number will be ridiculous next year and less likely to sign long-term. Buy out the arb years + a year or two of FA with a healthy team option.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 27, 2010 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it seems pretty low risk, high reward
I’d like to see a Felix Hernandez deal, not money wise, but more in terms of locking up two FA years
I'd prefer if it mirrored the Crawford deal, with maybe a slight increase due to time-factors
# 4 years/$15.25M (2005-08), plus 2009-10 club options
* signed extension 4/05, replacing 1 year/$0.37M deal for 2005 which included a $20,000 bonus for reaching 500 PAs
* $0.5M signing bonus
* 05:$0.5M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4M, 08:$5.25M, 09:$8.25M club option ($2.5M buyout), 10:$10M club option ($1.25M buyout)
* 2010 salary may increase to $11.5M with escalators
* $5.75M deferred, without interest ($1.25M in 2006, $2M in 2007, $2.5M in 2008)
* $3.25M of 2009 option deferred without interest (or entire $2.5M buyout deferred without interest)
* $4M of 2010 option deferred without interest
* 2010 option may increase up to additional $1.5M based on rank in MVP vote ($0.6M each for 1st-4th, $0.3M each for 5th-10th)
* award bonus: $25,000 each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger or LCS MVP; $50,000 each for WS MVP, Rookie of Year; $50,000 for All Star ($25,000 for selection); $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for 2nd-4th in vote, $25,000 for 5th-10th)
* assignment bonus: $0.8M if traded in 2005-06; $0.6M if traded 2007-08; $0.5M if traded 2009-10
* Tampa Bay exercised 2009 option 4/1/08
* Tampa Bay exercised $10M 2010 option 11/9/09
You can forget the 05, as it was Craw’s final year of arb. If you guarantee the next 4 and bump it up a little, you’re looking at
10: 3M
11: 5M
12: 6.5M
13: 9.5
14: 12M (team option)
4/24 guaranteed with potential for 5/36. Buys out, potentially, two years of FA.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Works for me. Where do I send the fax?
Also lets B.J. hit free agency around 30 get a big pay day.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 27, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How good was that Crawford deal?
Before Shields and Longoria, this was the model. I’d like to bring him back, but Craw has been under-paid his entire career and needs to do what is right by his family. Think about this, over the 5 years of that deal that have already happened, he’s been worth 20.7 WAR! He’s only been paid $21M. 2010 will throw it off a little, but a million dollars a win over 5 years is pretty dang good.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'd put it above the Shields deal, but below the Longoria extension
Longo’s extension is just amazing, but imagine CC’s potential asking price after 2006?
Of course the Baldelli deal didn’t work out as well, but you take the good with the bad. The Rocco situation isn’t your typical outcome due to his condition; however the proccess of the Rocco deal remains as good as the CC one.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 27, 2010 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great point
Rocco made enough to live off of, but he could have been guaranteed a lot more. I love that these guys understand the value of an option.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
BJ/Deezy/Joyce for years to come
This team is so well constructed for the future even losing Crawford and Pena. 1B really remains the only currently non-existenting hole.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Jan 27, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Shoppach is serviceable
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 27, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Two things:
It isn’t letting me reply for some reason, so rather than replying to Trance L’s post and FreeZo’s post, I’ll just start a new subthread:
1. Re: Trance L
There is literally no downside to doing that (outside the typical downside of any deal: injury, drug addiction, car accident, etc.). There is HUGE upside. You may have to pay a bit more for it, but isn’t it worth an extra few million over the next few years on the offchance that he hits again. Even if he posts one season over the life of the deal where he hits like we all know he can then it’s worth it.
2. Re: FreeZo
I’ve thought about the possibility of Joyce at 1B more and more of late. I assume he’d make at least an avg. 1B (probably better), and I think he has the bat to play there. This, of course, is if they can bring CC back on a more favorable deal than Pena or some other 1B.
I think the chances are extremely slim of CC beyond 2010
We’ll have to see about Joyce. While I’m sure he could play 1B, it seems pretty wasteful at 1B. We could probably get a bigger bat in exchange for him if thats the route they choose to go.
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The potential Durham OF of Joyce, Jennings, Perez is better than some major league teams.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 27, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OT: High Speed Rail
I see where Obama will be at a town hall meeting in Tampa tomorrow to award $8 billion in stimulus funds to high-speed rails. While there is no guarantee Tampa is one of the cities, the location of the announcement seems to hint at that.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/27/obama-to-announce-high-speed-rail-funds/
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B.J. is among the early arrivals working out at the trop already
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 27, 2010 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He also worked with Stanley during the off-season
We should cut bait and sign Rocco
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 27, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I've been watching his mlb.com videos for the last half hour, silky smooth doesn't begin to describe
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5538533
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5050759
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5245819 (this one was awesome bc Fat Stairs didn’t score in time, smart play)
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4178819
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4127011
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6960351
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5789679
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6910839 (he even takes a peak for the wall without breaking stride)
I don’t think anyone goes back on a ball better, which makes it even smarter to play him shallow. People that say that Beej is lazy or unfocused or don’t care, need to stop listening to talk radio and start watching some games. Without seeing F-Gut play much, I can’t think of a guy that covers as much ground as Beej.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who flagged this?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
this
Shades of Sandy Kaz, fighting the system
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 27, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
We need to burn this mother down then
Last time I checked, this was still Merica, where the spoils go to the bold and those that can provide the most links.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
People that say that Beej is lazy or unfocused or don’t care, need to stop listening to talk radio and start watching some games.
Why? Nothing is easier to do than bash BJ for laziness.
Even if it’s grossly misleading.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 27, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why? Nothing is easier to do than bash BJ for laziness.
How so?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 27, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
It would be a good PR move to lock Upton in long term
I won’t discuss this talents.
It shows the fanbase the desire to sign as many current players they can with the resouces they work with. In a year that Crawford and Pena will most likely walk or be traded it’s important for the RFO to show the continued desire to be competitive especially to the average Joe fan here in Tampa Bay. It also show the rest of the majors (players to be specific) that the Rays will offer long term deals and not just trade a player because they become too expensive. The dollars are there so although I question BJ I say do it.

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