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Question about WAR and strand rates

 

I'm a Mariners fan, so I watched very few Rays games last year and am not as familiar as most here with their 2009 season.  Also, forgive me evoking what must have been a frustrating experience. 

I was trying to figure out why the Rays only won 84 games last year.  The Rays WAR values in 2009 according to Fangraphs show a 100 win team in terms of actual performance, and this high value is supported by 2008’s team WAR and the fact that they went to the World Series (and play in the AL East!).  The crazy emergence of Zobrist and the career years of Crawford and Bartlett would seem to counterbalance the collapses from Kazmir, Upton etc.  You’re obviously aware of their roster and player performances so I’ll just say that I recognize that the roster was not only as talented as '08, but played up to their talent last year.  Essentially the Rays neither lost talent, nor failed to live up to their true talent level.  So my question is this:

 Is the runs scored/runs allowed disparity simply because of a really unlucky strand/L.O.B. rate for both their hitters and pitchers?  I tried to research this myself, but it’s hard to decipher exactly what the numbers here tell us because good pitchers are supposed to strand a higher percentage of runners than bad ones, so I would have to know what rate their level of pitching talent should normally strand, which for individuals can be found with career averages but for a team is difficult.  I couldn’t find strand rate for hitters and the same problem would apply anyway.  Basically I’m asking whether bad luck with strand rates is the main reason why the Rays won so few games.

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One big difference

Bullpen WPA (Not really a true talent stat, so much as descriptive):
1.Yankees 9.6
2. Red Sox 7.19
11. Rays -.019

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 30, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

yup

I’d also say that it seemed from watching the team that there was always one aspect of the game we were just totally botching. For stretches we seeminly couldn’t hit, field, have successuful starts, or finish games. It was pretty wild.

by rglass44 on Jan 30, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That stat probably has as much to do with bullpen management as actual ability

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by Brickhaus on Feb 3, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been working on finding it, but my search skills are worthless right now

Somebody was able to show pretty convincingly that the Rays had one of the largest standard deviations for runs/game of all teams in MLB. Perhaps LOB rates are the underlying basis for why we could score 9 one day and then 3 the rest of the series.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 30, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Great fanpost

good research and good question. For me it was all in the starting pitching and game to game offensive performance. This sites biggest antagonist nailed it on the head in June when he said something to the effect of we score 10 runs when we allow 0 but 2 when we give up 3. SP was good but still hit or miss, and our offense was the definition of streaky. I know as SABR followers we don’t believe in big mo’ but this team had two of the top 5-10 SP’s w/ the lowest runs scored for the entire MLB, while consistency is a tough aspect to quantify the Rays offense fell well short in that category.

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by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 30, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

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