ALDS Game 5 Preview: So We Meet Again, Cliff Lee
Well, that was certainly awesome.
After going down two games to none - and giving themselves something as little as a 15% chance of advancing - the Rays have fought their way back to even odds. The game tonight is going to be one of the most suspenseful, tense games you'll watch all year, so move all your breakable objects out of the room before turning the television on. I've told my wife to lock herself in another room so she won't hear my explosions, but I think she wants to watch the game too - if only to see me freak out.
These games wreak me. Pulse racing the entire time, nerves a-jitter, I'm sitting on the edge of the couch, ready to jump up in uncontrollable excitement, cringe and writhe in pain, and/or loudly express my opinion on whatever is happening at the moment. For all our talk about processes and taking a long view of things, these games can only be experienced fully in the moment. They're horrible for my nerves, but goodness, they make such awesome baseball. I wouldn't trade them for anything.
And so, on to the match-ups today:
Pitching
We all knew that if we wanted to win this series, odd were we'd have to beat Cliff Lee at least once. We didn't beat him the first time around, so here we are: faced with the talk task of beating one of the best pitchers in baseball to move on to the ALCS. It's a tall task but not impossible; the Rays did beat Cliff Lee a few times this season, but we'll need to have more things break right for us than they did in Game 1.
How did Cliff Lee attack the Rays last time? In short: fastball, fastball, and more fastball.
Last time while facing the Rays, Cliff Lee relied almost exclusively on his two-seam fastball to get the job done, throwing it 72% of the time. He also mixed in an occasional cutter (12%), curveball (7%), four-seam fastball (7%), and change-up (2%), but Lee was so successful with his two-seamer, he didn't need to change it up that often.
When broken down by batter handedness, Lee's game plan becomes pretty clear: two-seamers exclusively to left-handed batters, and mix in more pitches but keep them all outside against right-handed batters. Almost all of Lee's non-two-seam pitches were kept outside: his cutter was used outside and high, his curveball was used outside and low, and his four-seamer was also used outside and low. Also, most of Lee's two-seamers against right-handed batters were outside, meaning that the Rays should not try to pull the ball much today. Look two-seamer, especially if you're Carlos Pena or Carl Crawford, and try to drive the ball the opposite way.
The Line-Up
Jason Collette and Tommy Rancel have both taken stabs at answering what line-up Joe Maddon will use tonight, and think the answer is pretty clear for most of the line-up. Maddon will likely roll out a righty heavy line-up similar to what we used against Lee in Game 1: Longo at third, Bartlett at short, Rodriguez at second, Upton in center, Zobrist in right, and Shoppach behind the plate, with the two lefties Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena manning their left and first. The only question is the DH spot: does Maddon use switch-hitter Willy Aybar or lefty Dan Johnson?
Over the course of one game, the difference between the two is very slight and either would be a good option. Here's a brief look at their career splits against left-handed pitchers:
Aybar: .267/.349/.435
Johnson: .243/.346/.403
Johnson has performed better than Aybar this season, though, so it depends how good Maddon believes Aybar is right now. Is he as bad as his season .654 OPS suggests, or is he closer to his career average? I'm a fan of Dan Johnson and I believe he's a better player than Willy Aybar right now, so I'm going to give the nod to him.
Price pitched decently in Game One against the Rangers, with his one issue being that he left a couple of fastballs over the heart of the plate. The Rangers were pretty obviously going up to the plate sitting on Price's fastball, so whenever Price missed his location, they were ready to hit it as far as possible. Price relied heavily on his four-seam and two-seam fastballs, throwing them 79% of the time, and he mixed in his curveball (14%) and change-up (6%) on occasion. Whether through excitement or according to his game plan, almost everything that Price threw was high in the zone, even his curveballs. It seemed like Price was trying to simply blow the Rangers away with high, hard heat and although it worked for the majority of the game, whenever Price missed a little low and over the plate, it gave the Rangers a great chance to destroy the ball.
If I were Price, I'd try to mix up his locations a bit more to keep the Rangers off-guard. Throwing mainly fastballs is fine, but working high in the zone so consistently made him predictable and easy to sit on mistakes. If I were the Rangers, I'd be going into my at bats looking for high heat, and I'd swing with all my might if I got one I liked. Now it's up to Price to keep the Rangers from being successful with this approach.
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It will be interesting to see if Price makes any adjustments, specifically if he goes to more bendy stuff. CLee, you would think, should be following the same plan, but I think he will mix it up a bit more
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
It will be interesting to see if Price throws a 97 mph heater in Ian Kinsler's face and then throws up some antlers.
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by BWoodrum on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
This, please
- Gareth Rees
Staff Writer for SBNation Tampa Bay, on twitter @greesie.
by Gareth Rees on Oct 12, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer he doesn't allow a man to touch first, then makes antlers on his cock and tweets a pick of it to Jenn Sterger and Ian Kinsler
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
In fact I think we should all make antlers on whatever you have down there and tweet it to Jenn Sterger
Kind of like an “I am Spartacus” moment.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
This whole thing compelled me to watch the morning line this morning. Frankly, not too bad; much more straight talk then SportsCliche.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm almost hoping Maddon doesn't load up the righty-heavy lineup today
Lee has had a reverse split for most of the year, and I’d rather go with the better players, especially on defense. I can’t get BBRef’s play index to work right, but I suspect that the righties aren’t so much better against him than the lefties.
Career-wise, our best hitters against Lee have been Zobrist, Aybar and Upton. He’s been death to Longoria, who has a .465 OPSA vs Lee. Pena and Bartlett have also fared decently. Jaso has never faced Lee, but Shoppach has a whopping .000 OPS against him (in a small sample size). I realize this might be the only change, but I’d rather go with Jaso here, who seems like the better player overall. DanJo and Aybar don’t have a huge difference between them, and I’d rather go with the guy who’s been hitting better this year. So I’m hoping to see:
Bartlett
Upton
Zobrist
Longoria
Pena
Rodriguez
Crawford
Aybar
Jaso
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
His career wOBA splits are something like .315 to lefties and .318 to righties, but as you said he's been tough on righties this year, something like .259 wOBA can't remember exactly from yesterday.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree for tonight. He's patient.
Patient against Cliff Lee is asking for getting behind 0-2. I’d rather have hackers swinging at the first pitch.
by Erik Hahmann on Oct 12, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be inclined to agree with you,
if the alternative wasn’t Shoppach. He is just useless to me on this team. He has done next to nothing all year. I have a lot more faith in Jaso coming up with a big hit, even against Lee, then I do in Shoppach doing anything meaningful ever.
.823OPS vs LHP this year
.366 wOBA vs LHP
by Erik Hahmann on Oct 12, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I know....I've looked up the numbers
I even used the same numbers to defend Maddon’s decision to start Shop in Game 1(not here, but elsewhere), even though I would have preferred to see Jaso myself. But, Shoppach was absolutely worthless in Game 1 and I don’t know if I have any reason to believe he would look any better tonight. I would rather let Jaso have a crack at Lee then watch Shoppach flounder up there again.
That said, if he is the lineup I will still be cheering for him, hoping that he proves me wrong.
I hope Shopp can silence all the critics with short memories
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Please refresh my memory, then.
What has Shoppach done that should have me feeling optimistic if he is in the lineup tonight. I would love to feel better about him.
How many of those LHPs, which he got his .823 OPS off of, were anywhere near Cliff Lee’s caliber? Like I said, I really hope he proved me wrong. But, I don’t have any faith in him. I want Jaso tonight.
How many of Jaso's awful appearances came against someone of the caliber of Cliff Lee?
Against worse pitching he’s been much worse.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, then....does pitcher performance factor in to your decision?
Genuinely curious how you guys feel about this….if they are both worthless at the plate against Lee (which is a strong probability), then would you look at who Price has been more successful with behind the plate? Because Price has definitely pitched better with Jaso behind the plate than with Shopp. He gives up .209/.286./326 with Jaso, compared to .245/.318/.381 with Shopp. K-BB ratio, ERA, and total OPS are all better with Jaso behind the plate than Shoppach. Not a total night-and-day difference, but there IS a difference. Could that give Jaso the edge if you don’t trust either of them at the plate?
Only caveat I can think is that BABIP is higher with Shoppach than Jaso, which could mean that Jaso benefits from better play on defense or that Price has been unlucky with Shopp behind the plate.
I wouldn't trust that sample, what if all the games that Jaso caught were against good pitching teams and vice-versa for Jaso
I imagine there is a ton of statistical noise in there
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
First Jaso should be Shoppach, but I think you got that.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
????
don’t understand this. Please clarify.
Anyways, looks like Shopp is starting so the conversation is moot anyways. I hope he goes 2-3 with a run and 2 RBI. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong tonight.
I'm basically saying that within these sample sizes the data is meaningless
Evan went 2-whatever in the first 3 games and had a homer and 2 doubles in game 4. There is no way you could have predicted he was going to do that based on the previous 3-game sample, and there is no way you should predict it will carry forward.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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2 am start time in DK. I will be napping from 10-2, and again from 5:30(?) until 9.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
DK? Donkey Kong? I didn't realize that was a real place.
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It's awesome.
Everything is in barrels, the currency, transportation….remarkable stuff.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Oct 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sir, please accept this reply as a formal application for DK citizenship.
Yours truly,
Brad
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remember
According to Elias Sports Bureau, dating back to the beginning of baseball postseason history in 1903, there has never been a major league playoff series in which the road team has won every single game. And the Rangers franchise, dating back to its inception as the expansion Washington Senators in 1961, has never won a playoff series of any kind.
by Jason Collette on Oct 12, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
So they are due?
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
What we're trying to do has been done before
by Jason Collette on Oct 12, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing ever happens 100% of the time.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
by PlayOnWords on Oct 12, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Advantage = gambler's fallacy
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Game is sold out, including the 5,000 extra seats
If nothing else we at least got ourselves some more revenue to use next season. Yay
- Gareth Rees
Staff Writer for SBNation Tampa Bay, on twitter @greesie.
can still buy SRO tix online
They’re better than those 5,000 upper deck seats (unless you’re bring a kid along with you)
.714 winning percentage in front of crowds of at least 30K
let’s do this shit
by Jason Collette on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
Since its sold out, what about 40k?
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
by PlayOnWords on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what we did in Games 1 and 2

This is what we did in Games 3 and 4

This is what we gon do tonight

It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Why aren't we?
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Ric Flair
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
MIKE JONES!
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The heebs over at lonestarball are quite upset with Sonny
Guess they must have missed the classy Elvis Andrus telling Matt Garza to get the fuck out of the game on Saturday.
Whatever. It isn't like one of our good players taunted them.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not like they're people, like us
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Their Sonnanstine fanpost was pretty funny
I almost wrote on it:
ALCS wins:
Sonnanstine – 1
Texas Rangers Org. – 0
DOBBERAGIN?
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. High five like every other team when something good happens. Don't act like douchewads and this shit won't come back to bite you.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
HOHO
There is literally
nothing he can do as a celebration on Tuesday that I would say went too far.
He can drop his pants and take a shit right on the Tampa Bay logo after we win and I’d label it as acceptable. He can give a titty twister to every member of David Price’s extended family and it’d be understandable.
My level of hate for the Rays is so great right now, that I literally cannot properly put it to words.
“If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series.” – PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 19 recs
They mad.
What do they expect, when their players have invented a new way of mocking other teams?
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!!!!!!!!!
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
HOOK EM HORNS
ANTLERS! BEAR CLAWS!
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Look at these dumgabies scrambling to justify their own douchery.
What about the time CJ said his leg hurt from kicking the Rays butt?
What about that? Or are we just going to ignore that here?
Don’t listen to me. I’m a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Oct 11, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i would have to say that there’s a big difference in talking trash
and totally making fun of something like they are doing. everyone trash talks in sports, but because your fan base doesn’t show up and get behind you doesn’t mean you should make fun of another teams ability to connect to there fans.
by jas003 on Oct 12, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
A certain message board is getting a pic of a certain posters medium-sized penis wearing antlers after we win
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God, what will BLEZ! do with you, then.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not referring to me, at all.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Let me reiterate: their players sat around and conjured a completely new way to rub good plays in opposing teams' faces.
On what planet is this considered sportsmanlike? Or unjust when the activity is turned against the originators?
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT THEY GOT T-SHIRTS DUDE
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Did you see the LSB tailgate fanpost?
Every guy on there has that shirt….. I thought the rayhawk was lame.
by ballsdeep187 on Oct 12, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
HFA adds a little, but Lee basically zaps that.
So like a coin flip?
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
-112 according to those with mortgages on the line
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its because it is not direct at the other team
Joba yelling on the mound is another thing
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
I don't see the difference whatsoever. And Joba is one guy. The entire Rangers team does this antler and claw retardery.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we are just drinking mad haterade
I mean we use cowbells, 2nd only in annoyance to vuvuzelas
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
The fans do. I don't see Price rocking one in the dugout.
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Now there is a good idea
I want the bullpen with those giant brass cowbells you have to hit with a log to get a tone
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
exactly.
fans being jerkoffs is a different story.
It wouldn't even be fair, I literally play for keeps
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
by PlayOnWords on Oct 12, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Our fans don't even really have to worry about sportsmanship.
They could total dicks and not be anywhere near the level of asshole that is Philly.
Ahem
I plan on getting piss drunk and vomiting on a child tonight
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Rally cry for tonight's game

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Those might work
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It has antlers, the Texas fans might take exception and be upset.
We should be courteous to our friends in Texas.
I love Americana
The jackalope will drink its fill of whiskey and its intoxication will make it easier to hunt. In some parts of the United States it is said that jackalope meat has a taste similar to lobster. However, legend has it that they are dangerous if approached. It has also been said that jackalopes will only breed during electrical storms including hail, explaining its rarity.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
We're the hipster org. Of course we're going to troll you.
We do team memes better than anyone else and we troll better. That’s our thing. That’s how we roll.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What a bunch of fags, I hope Dallas caves in on itself from the amount of fat in such a small area.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinsler was the first one to pop off
I hope a terrible call goes against the Rangers tonight to cost them the game and then we can throw that line right back in his face
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
Now this is douchebaggery
It’s tough to win when you’re (complaining) about a call from the previous day," Kinsler said Friday at Rangers Ballpark, where the series resumes Saturday. “It seems like they were still talking about the Carlos Pena call, which is basically a non-issue because it hit the bat. And it’s tough to be a good crowd when you’re worried about umpires. We were able to take them out; they were interested in the umpires and it worked out well for us.”
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
"heebs"
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously, why "heebs?"
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 12, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Conspiracy Theory
The Rays were actually told to lose games 1 and 2 because they wanted to make money off of game 5. They were told this that jew, Sternberg.
Oh, and Shields will be in the bullpen.
Hope that clears everything up for tonight. Rays will win… because of the jews.
—The Quaker
FACT: David Price is a Jew.
Also, so is everyone else on the roster.
A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum
That explains things
I was wondering how they managed to move the start time from 5:07 to 8:07. A mass conversion… interesting.
Follow me to victory

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Good lord, are they coming out if its nipples?
A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum
Needs bear claws too.
I'll have a bloody mary and a steak sandwich...and a steak sandwich.
by Passionate Apathy on Oct 12, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer this

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never trust that thing
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Routinely being 95% of the time.
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
This board is nearly always wrong
Had Aybar DHing when I arrived at 12:30 for game one and he wasn’t even on the roster at the time.
- Gareth Rees
Staff Writer for SBNation Tampa Bay, on twitter @greesie.
And it's wrong
SPTimesRays Marc Topkin
#Rays will DH Dan Johnson tonight, Shoppach will catch
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
full line up
SPTimesRays Marc Topkin
#Rays lineup: Bartlett ss, Zobrist rf, Crawford lf, Longoria 3b, Pena 1b, Upton cf, Johnson dh, Shoppach c, Rodriguez 2b, Price p
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Wanna FanShot that? I'll front page it.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Oct 12, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Done
internet is Slowinski on campus
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Gracias!
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Oct 12, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I guess I can now cross "Become a ridiculous internet meme" off my career goals list.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Oct 12, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here come the haters on The Heater
Lii wrote:
Make that a 0.0 for Shoppach. He should be parking cars, not catching.
by Erik Hahmann on Oct 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not even close
Bartlett
Zobrist
CC
Longo
Pena
Upton
Johnson
Shoppach
Rodriguez
by Erik Hahmann on Oct 12, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson hits groundball pitchers better than Aybar.
So there’s some numerical sense here too.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awful! Shoppach?!? Really?
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
I don't get the hate. Dude kills lefties.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Its ridiculous
Maddon plays it by the book, and the 620 crowd that always rides him for his “stats” will be the first to jump on him.
by GomesSweetGomes on Oct 12, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats because no one knows baseball in this town..bunch of goobers
My god the callers sometimes.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
You're right.
No one oh here thought Jaso should start.
Only the idiot goobers.(Not saying they aren’t idiot goobers, just that many on here who know baseball and are not “goobers” think Jaso should start.
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
He plays Shopp v. some righties too, but everyone needs to keep in mind
That strict platooning of catchers is difficult. We might face six-to-seven straight righties, asking someone without a history of injuries to catch that much is rare, asking someone with a history injury is playing with fire.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
0-9 career vs Lee
Including playoffs. And hasn’t exactly killed lefties this year. I don’t want to get rid of him over one bad year, but I also don’t want to pin my hopes on him suddenly remembering how to hit in the most important game of the year.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
FTR I hope he makes me look like an idiot
but I’m sure he will just K everytime up
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
I'm with ya
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He sucks versus righties. Duh. We knew that.
He also walked a ton and hit for some pop against lefties. That’s what we thought he was. Oh, and he’s adorable when running after a walk/HBP. So turtle-like.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I've argued for Jaso in this very thread,
but just looking at numbers, it makes no sense to run Jaso out there vs. any LHP. Their splits vs. LH starters are:
.222/.319/.424 – Shopp
.139/.333/.222 – Jaso
I don’t think either one will have any success Cliff Lee, to be honest. Shopp looked like an auto-out in Game 1. Price has pitched better for the season with Jaso behind the plate. In all likelihood, we will probably see both Jaso and Shopp tonight at some point. Like I said before, I hope Shopp does well tonight and we win because of it.
I don't see either having more than 1 in 4 successes
but Shopp may blast one where Jaso is more likely a base hit. I’d probably give Price his choice and keep that betweem he and I.
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You cats keep saying Shopp looked bad in game one.
Who didn’t besides Zobrist?
Cliff Lee is a great pitcher. He’s going to make some guys look absolutely helpless at times. That’s what he does.
by R.J. Anderson on Oct 12, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Shopp looked bad in games 1 and 2
Bartlett didn’t look bad.
Srod hit the ball hard, but had some bad luck
Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza
IMO
It’s more likely Jaso makes an impact with moderately better defense and game calling than that either player makes a difference with his bat.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Just got dont reading the Sonny death threat fanpost at LSB
so much hate
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Made me want to post the Rangers infield on stakes, Vlad the Impaler style
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Neat
I hope David Price wakes up tomorrow and gets raped by a bear.
by dolphinpuncher on Oct 12, 2010 2:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
- Gareth Rees
Staff Writer for SBNation Tampa Bay, on twitter @greesie.
At the beginning of the 2008 ALDS, I hated the White Sox
Thought they played “dirty”. By the end of that series I had developed some respect for them being a hard-nosed team…
Before this series I had no real animosity towards the Rangers. Their Claw/Antler shit and their general attitude has fostered some real rage/hatred towords that organization.
But, if the Rays lose tonight, I will be pleased that they came back in the series and put the fear of God into these fukwads. Of course I want some one to shatter Cliff Lee’s kneecap with a line drive…and the Rays to win. Not necessarily in that order.
I’m in the “Shoppach Hater” camp, would much rather see Jaso, but I understand the logic/stats behind it. I just think someone who strikes out nearly 40% of his plate appearances (Shoppach – regardless of the pitcher) is the wrong bat against Cliff Lee.
It really comes down to Price outpitching that MF’er…
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