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ALDS Game 2 Preview: James Shields vs. The Great Regression and Other Topics of Interest

James Shields and C.J. Wilson
Here at DRaysBay, we believe each game is only a glimpse of reality -- a tiny sliver of the talent of everyone involved. When something absurd happens -- say Bengie Molina, I don't know, hits a home run -- we know his homer does not symbolize a permanent and accurate presentation of his daily hitting ability. More than likely, Molina will continue to excel at hitting poorly the following game.

This is regression. This is a concept we must believe, or our veins will split and our heads will pop like an over-filled red balloon every time Kelly Shoppach swings at ball 4 or Jason Bartlett tosses the 3rd out to a ginger kid in the 5th row.

The regression concept gives me hope for James Shields -- and moreover, the Rays as a whole in game 2.

Yesterday we witnessed David Price drink from cold faucet of HR/FB regression. His shiny ERA (2.72) and even above average FIP (3.42) belied his more average xFIP (~4.00) and lucky LOB%. Price's numbers were simply waiting for regression and it appears James Shields' numbers ride the same train -- but with a better destination.

We have already discussed endlessly the recent performances of Mr. Shields. It appears DRaysBay now has two camps: (a) those who believe Shields has lost something, and (b) those who believe Shields could and should regress at any moment.

My hope is that the same HR/FB Fairy that visited Price will give both Shields and C.J. Wilson a gentle tap on the head. Shield's xFIP (3.72) says he's still our ace. His results (or ERA) say he's not (5.18). On the other hand, the lefty Wilson has respectable results (3.35 ERA) with worse than league average xFIP (4.20 -- 420?! Whoa, brah-man!).

The Lineup
After watching our lineup get shredded yesterday by one of the best -- nay, the best -- lefty in the game, many of us have begun to speculate Game 2 of the ALDS will feature a much different lineup -- perchance Ben Zobrist at first base and Carlos Pena playing Left Out.

Personally, I think that may not be all too beneficial. Pena has been average against lefties over his career (~100 wRC+) and that's held pretty close to true this year (he still has 8 HRs vs. lefties in ~200 PAs). If Zobrist pushed him into the dugout, then we would be wasting a slice of BenZo's superior fielding. Moreover, we would need to put a lefty -- Matt Joyce -- or an untested rookie who had a decent-at-best season in AAA (118 wRC+) -- Desmond Jennings -- in right.

Of course, we could also trot Rocco Baldelli out there, but it might be wiser to start him at first -- a position he's never played at the MLB level.

Star-divide

Rocco Baldelli vs. Willy Aybar
The Rays surprised a lot of people yesterday when they revealed Rocco Baldelli would on the playoff roster and Willy Aybar would not. For full disclosure's sake: I am not and have never been a particular fan of Aybar's. I'm not against him, but I am not wowed -- really in any way -- by him.

Anyway, while talking with R.J. Anderson yesterday, I began to conduct a variety of dangerous thought experiments concerning Aybar and Baldelli. Here's the rationale I assume the Rays front office used in taking Baldelli over Aybar (and Brad Hawpe):

Willy Aybar is really average. No, like really, really average. His career wRC+ is 101. His career platoon splits show a little bit more value:

vs R as L: 97 wRC+
vs L as R: 113 wRC+

In 2010, both those numbers are worse (below 100). The Rays need help against lefties, so Aybar's excessive averageness against righties and malpractice-bad defense really makes him less valuable, but aught not be a deal breaker. This year, though, his plate discipline seems out of whack -- and it's costing him (to the tune of 91 wRC+ vs. lefties).

On the other hand, Brad Hawpe is lefty -- which does not fit the roster's needs. And his plate discipline numbers since joining the Rays look really bad. It seems as though getting an apartment in the greater Tampa area made him swing at more outside pitches. His contact rate went from ~60% to ~50%. Hawpe, in short, was not doing well.

But what about Rocco? His well-known health problems make him sort of a pariah (and a hassle with late-inning substitutions), but there was once a day when he was also a lefty-masher. His career splits:

vs R as R: 96 wRC+
vs L as R: 118 wRC+

Also, in his few PAs this year, he's hit lefties well (125 wRC+).

My guess is the Rays Front Office was willing to gamble that Baldelli, despite having limited exposure over the last few years, can still provide not-unbearable defense and more offense verse lefties than the scuffling Aybar -- but it is definitely a gamble.

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Looking at Rocoo vs Aybar in terms of splits

There is a sizable difference. Maybe it had to do with swing planes vs. the lefties Lee and Wilson.

Career OPS
vs GB/ VS. fb
AybAR .660/.795
rOCCO .827/.733

vs Power/vs Finesse
Aybar .739/.713
Rocco: .697/.857

Either way, the lack of live MLB PA this season would be enough for me to go with Aybar without hesitation.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I suspected there were swing plane splits that might explain this too,

but didn’t have the time to investigate.

I think I’m getting more comfortable with the Rocco issue. Aybar really has been pretty week this year. Human psychology indicates we prefer the known bad to the unknown possibility — which helps explain how many of us would rather have Aybar’s below average hitting than Rocco’s potentially good hitting. Once I get past that little psychological block, the gamble seems more prudent.

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by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't understood the fuss about Aybar.

People are acting like Willy Aybar is the second coming of Pujols….how could we leave AYBAR off the roster???? Aybar, in all likelihood, doesn’t give us anything more than what Baldelli gave us yesterday.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have picked Aybar

But we have what we have. i would put Rocco out their today but batting 8th.

by OneTonneBaby on Oct 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

The fact that Rocco is in and Hawpe and Aybar are out, and it's a move I can't fully disagree with, speaks bounds about just how unstable this team's offense is.

I have serious doubts about winning this series. The offense came in cold, and didn’t look any better. It’s May all over again; good thing we’ll only have to watch 3 or 4 more games of it.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

When he starts at DH....

yes

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, good point.

I was baffled by Rocco’s start yesterday and I do agree with kericr somewhat…I’m really not optimistic about our offense right now. It’s just so darn inconsistent.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This has been a really weird team

If you look at some of the fact nuggets the Rays put out there before this series everyone was negative, but walks.

Lowest avg to make playoffs since
Most K’s to make playoffs since
Most games held with 1 hit or under since
Most games held to 5 hits or under since

Not exactly what you would imagine to hear about a team that finished with the best record in the AL and 3rd in runs IIRC

I wish I had the exact figures, but you get the point.
The way the Rays have manufactured runs this year is odd.

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that he started at DH indicates to me that he's not the 25th man.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Desmond would be 25th

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest doubt is the history

lose game 1 of a 5 game series, and you lose the series about 75% of the time, get swept about 40% of the time…it’s been 5 years since a team lost game 1 of a fiver at home and won the series.

With Shields going today I am not expecting good things. I understand the xFIP talk, but we’ve been hearing that crap all year – he’s bound to get better. Pfffft. Perhaps that stat is padded by the fact the Shields tends to pitch several innings well, then blow up?

And the offense…damn, you get bases loaded with 1 out on Cliff Lee in the 1st, and get nothing. Pena can’t act up like a Yankoff when he’s hit by a pitch with the bases loaded, and then K, K…and nada. Not a good sign.

As for Pena – how long do you trot his missing bat up to the plate? To me, yesterday was too many times…but I guess I’m just frustrated.

by tampa_edski on Oct 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Yankoff"

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it were possible to have kept him off the postseason roster, I would have.

When was the last time a batting title qualifier finished below the Mendoza line? Unfortunately, he’s also the best defensive 1B on the team, and the other backup (Aybar), can’t field for crap.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pena has been frustrating all year....

But, we don’t really have a substitute for his power anywhere. I have been frustrated by him too, but what do we do? Put someone out there who is hitting .220 with little to no power? Is that an improvement?

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a problem...
Put someone out there who is hitting .220 with little to no power? Is that an improvement?

That is an issue…and I really have no answer. I don’t think Maddon has one eitehr.

by tampa_edski on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what we can take hope in:

Near the end of the season, Pena started hitting more fly balls and line drives (and thereby fewer ground balls).

If that trend continues into this series, he won’t likely be a “missing bat.”

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What gave me hope

The 2-run double in the 9th in the last regular season game against KC gave me hope. If Pena can FINALLY figure out how to get big hits going the opposite way, he will be much more valuable.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was luck

He hit that down the LF line.

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

His PAs and wRC by month:

Mar/Apr…….95, 137
May………….116, 37
Jun………….107, 153
Jul………….104, 149
Aug………….63, 130
Sept/Oct……97, 45

In other words: when he’s hot, he’s really, f’ing hot. When he’s cold, he’s dead.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

reminds me of a comment earlier in the season

Pena with an 0-1 count, about .400 OPS; with a 1-0 count, an OPS about 1.000

by tampa_edski on Oct 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does that compare to the league?

IIRC, that’s kind of close to how everyone is.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

slightly related

Whats peoples opinions on DJ being there? To me in an ALDS you havent got room for a pinch runner…

by OneTonneBaby on Oct 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats exactly when you do have room for a pinch runner.

You carry less pitchers. If its close toward the end of the game and DJ comes in to run for Kelly Shoppach you won’t be complaining, and neither will I.

by kurby on Oct 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

<(^-^)>

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We needed rally Munn yesterday

Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.

by Warde on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Where are we meeting you smelly froggy

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

All right. Would you like to FB me your number or should I just go up to everybody and say "ARE YOU SUTTER EE?"

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA!

Man wish i could be in good ol’ St.Pete, FLORIDA right now :(

instead im in an office, brentwood, essex, uk :( :( :(

by OneTonneBaby on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top of the kippers govnah!

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

My shirt will say nothing because I have a job and will be coming from work to the game

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Loser

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meet me at fergs im the only person reading a book

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Other than getting a ticket i got nothing else to do but deink

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 7, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And i just got my ticket

Tgn has my number shoot me a txt

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What part of Shields are you feeling?

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

DRB Afternoon Delight

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

His Big Dick apparently

Ill feel anything if he gives me 7ip <2er

by OneTonneBaby on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are they magical?

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I literally cannot stop throwing up at this reference

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did CJ Wilson just thank Ranger's fans for the "awesome display of Ranger support at the Trop"??????

I saw 2 Ranger’s fans total yesterday. There couldn’t have been more then a couple hundred in the building and I didn’t hear one cheer. Wilson is clearly delusional

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

There was a huge clump of them gathered at the top of the 300ish section

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few no doubt, not sure how many

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say between 69 and 420

No more no less

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

The Rays have been very well represented in away games this year. We’ll represent in Texas, I hope.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looked to be about 500 or so; all wearing red.

me personally, I also only saw 2. I’m pretty sure that’s all there was. For them, on the road, I guess that’s a lot.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah….sorry about that. Premature “post”.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fail!

So, I wanted to say that I not the biggest Shields fan. Never seen him as an “ace”. At best, I have always thought he was an above-average pitcher. That said, his playoff stats are good and that is where the “BIG GAME” nickname comes from. We need Big Game James today if we have any shot at going to Arlington tied 1-1. I hope he shows up, because I’m not counting on our offense for more than 5 runs today. Fingers crossed.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 runs is a respectable offensive output

An above average pitcher shouldn’t ‘need’ 5 runs to win a game. If the Rays score 5, I expect victory. If Shields can’t win with 5, that’s a problem.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Shields does what he did during the regular season, he won't win. There's no qualifiers on that statement.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also wanted to share this with everyone.

This is a list of the top AL starters (from Fangraphs), sorted by xFIP. Take particular note of those with low xFIPs (dark green), yet high BABIPs and low LOB% (dark blue) — they’re the ones who are even better than they appear on this list:

I expect many of you will notice Cliff Lee and James Shields looking very similar.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh Lee is significantly better?

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i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields...that is what I see

love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT

by SRQman on Oct 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields FIP is nowhere near the rest of the pitchers in that group

Shields defenders love using xFIP because it normalizes HR rates, but Shields always gives up more HRs then normal.

IMO FIP is a more accurate measue for him

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

By "more HR then normal" do you mean 1% more?

Then yes. He does. He gives up 1% more HRs than a league average pitcher.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I just never understood xFIP and why it is seen more accurate the FIP

Aren’t HR’s controllable at least to a certain extent?

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Don’t throw 92-94 MPH fastballs with no movement over the middle of the plate.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Home runs are controllable if you prevent fly balls.

From the Sabermetrics Library:

Home runs are obviously not a good thing for a pitcher to let up and a pitcher can reduce the number of home runs hit against them two ways: by increasing their GB% against and lowering their FB% or by reducing their HR/FB ratio. While pitchers can control to an extent the type of batted balls hit against them, there is some luck involved in whether a pitcher lets up a ball hit into the seats or to the warning track… HR/FB rates have also been shown to vary considerably from year to year, meaning they have little predictive value.
Shields’s 2010 HR/FB ratio is well above his career numbers, that’s why I trust FIP more than xFIP with Shields. Moreover, I trust FIP more than xFIP in general — with all pitchers.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Lee is significantly better than Shields (who would deny that?),

but Shields still sports the 6th best xFIP among AL starters despite his high BABIP and low LOB%.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no issue with advanced statistics...

I find them fascinating and I can see their usefulness. But, if you are showing me a statistic that says that James Shields is as good as Cliff Lee, to me, that casts doubt on the reliability and usefulness of that statistic.

But, even on your list….look how much lower Lee’s FIP is than Shields, it’s almost two whole points better and his BABIP is significantly lower too.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't say that

but it does say he is better then Verlander, Greinke, and CC.

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

To quote myself.
Yeah, Lee is significantly better than Shields (who would deny that?)

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thing is, this has been going on for 2 full seasons with Shields. At some point, you do have to consider the results to be the reality of what he is, regardless of whether or not the stats indicate otherwise.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has it been going on for two years?

Last year his xFIP was 3.92, his FIP was 4.00, and his ERA 4.14.

That doesn’t seem at all similar to 2010 in my opinion. In fact, that seems to confirm that 2010 is an aberration.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems more like a year and a half to me then 2 full, he was nasty the 1st half of 09 but got horrible run support.

in the 2nd half, he was bad, and still getting no run support.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, now that you say it, I remember this as well. His first half was really good last season.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, it seems more like a trend. In 2008 his xFIP was still 3.92, but his FIP was 3.82 and his ERA was 3.56. So, in 3 season, his FIP has gone 3.82→4.00→4.25. His ERA has followed the same trend.

by M.J.R. on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it's a trend, then it's a purely HR/FB trend.

We then have to explain why fly balls are suddenly traveling further despite his increasing pitch speed and increasing K-rates.

We have three stats, and the two less-stable stats are showing a trend the more stable one doesn’t reflect. That seems like fluctuation more than devolution.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to blame you for bringing the various Cubs curses to the team since you've joined the blog. It's as reasonable an explination as anything else I've seen trying to explain it.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been here since 2007.

If anything, my presence makes the Rays change their uniforms and make the playoffs.

A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you haven't been 'on staff' until this year. It's still you're fault.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"you're"

Man, I never make that mistake. Fuck me.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm lost here...

I thought Aybar wasn’t on the playoff roster.

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't. Baldelli is being pulled due to an 'injury', which means the team can replace him with a reserve, but Rocco can't play in the ALCS.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to think Baldelli is really hurt

This team isn’t one to judge a player on one game

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Or perhaps he’s having energy problems. It’s not like Friedman and Co. to just yank him after a few ABs.

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by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bout time u delivered some good news ya hassidic canuck

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't make me come over there

No seriously, don’t. I can’t fly on Shabbos.

by Jonah Keri on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineup

Bartlett ss
Upton cf
Crawford lf
Longoria 3b
Zobrist 1b
Aybar DH
Shoppach dh c
Rodriguez 2b
Jennings rf
Shields p

by meierlynk on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow Jennings?

Really?

Pretty much saying Jennings vs Wilson>Pena, DanJo, Joyce vs Wilson

Not sure I agree

Price, Garza, Davis, Price, Garza

by Sveet on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least:

Rays outfield =

(industrial strength vacuum)

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by BWoodrum on Oct 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This joke makes more sense with Baldelli; you have to wheel him around the OF in order to pick anything up.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

C.J. Wilson has megagiganticnormous splits

Assassinates LH, total walk machine vs. RH. If Crawford wasn’t awesome I’d sit him too.

by Jonah Keri on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

(not really)

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll need a home run tracker to do that.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love this front office

Having the stones to start two different guys with a combined 45 PA on the season in the post-season. Wowsers.

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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