Rays Offer Arb to Crawford, Soriano, Balfour, Benoit, Choate, Qualls and Hawpe, No on Pena & Wheeler
As discussed yesterday, the Rays had to make decisions on arbitration eligible players by tonight. The announcement was pretty straight forward, mostly falling in line with what Steve speculated yesterday.
Unsurprisingly, the Rays offered arbitration to Type A free agent's Carl Crawford, Rafael Soriano, and Grant Balfour. The group of Type B free agents who were offered arbitration include Joaquin Benoit, Randy Choate, Chad Qualls, and Brad Hawpe. They declined offers to Dan Wheeler (Type A) and Carlos Pena (B).
We all know Crawford and Soriano are going to decline, so the Rays will receive two draft picks per player to compensate for those losses. Balfour is a more interesting case. I'm sure the Rays wouldn't be upset in the least if some team wanted to give up draft picks to sign him, but it's likely that his Type A status will scare off many suitors. If Balfour accepts the offer the Rays would owe him a reasonable sum of ~$2 million next season. Either scenario seems to work out well for the team.
Since Benoit has already signed with Detroit, being a Type B free agent, the Rays will receive a supplemental draft pick for his services. Randy Choate has drawn interest for numerous teams, so offering him arbitration was a no-brainer. He would be welcomed back into the bullpen - he's effective and cheap - but if someone wants to give the Rays a draft pick for him...well, it's been a pleasure, Randy. The offers to Qualls and Hawpe is where this gets interesting. There has to of been some type of deal worked out with each of them where they agreed to decline arbitration once offered. There is no way the Rays would risk the chance of paying Qualls $4million and Hawpe $7 million if they accepted . I would love to know how the Rays persuaded two players of average ability to turn down that type of guaranteed money, but that's something Andrew Friedman will likely keep under his hat.
Declining to offer arbitration Wheeler was as obvious a decision as the Rays had this off season. He would have gladly accepted the $4 million pay day. With the bullpen possibly being depleted I hope the Rays can work out a deal to bring Wheeler back at a reduced salary. I wasn't sure what the Rays would do with Pena. At first glance it seems like declining to offer him arbitration is the obvious move - there's no way they pay him the $10 million he'd earn. But as Tommy Rancel pointed out to me, the Rays could gamble and hope that Scott Boras thinks he could get a multi-year deal out of a team now that Aubrey Huff and Victor Martinez are off the market. Ultimately they chose to play it safe, and for a team as financially strapped as they are I can't blame them.
The Rays had the most arbitration eligible players in all of baseball and stand to gain up to 10 draft picks from their departures. I'm excited to see what R.J. Harrison and company can do with them.
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Hello draft picks
"1 - 2 - Freddy's coming for you, 3 - 4 - Better lock your door, 5 - 6 - Grab your crucifix, 7 - 8 - Better stay up late, 9 - 10 - Never sleep again..."
The Extra Picks
Really do give the Rays the ability to increse the pool of free agents to negotiate with. Take a guy like Francisco in Texas…a Type A free agent, who may be willing to sign a 1-year offer but not many teams will offer him a contract..
Rays can now negotiate with Francisco with a limited number of teams competing for him. Just one example.
Well the problem is, as was pointed out earlier
We’re kind of unlikely to get a 1st round pick for Crawford, and then if say Soriano signs with like the Mets, and we sign a Type-A, then our first pick isn’t until after #30.
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by Imperialism32 on Nov 23, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not much difference
the supplemental picks will be more valuable than the other teams draft pick anyways. The supplemental picks will most likely fall between pick #32 and pick #55 or so (should have at least two of those). Giving up our first round pick only slots us back aroun 15-20 picks overall.
I realize that the value of picks falls off sort of quickly after #1
(Cue the draft pick/WAR chart)
But I wouldn’t want to give up our 2011 first-rounder for say, a year of Frank Francisco. What if he bombs and is only a Type-B next offseason? Plus the 2011 draft is shaping up as a stronger class, not to mention the possibility of hard slotting coming into the picture in 2012.
In fact, that’s why I’d like to see the Rays make the most of the 2011 draft. Obviously expecting them to go over-slot for 8 or 10 guys that early is ridiculous, but 2011 would be a good year for the team to set a franchise spending record in the draft.
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by Imperialism32 on Nov 23, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
also, francisco is not the target
just putting a name to the game. Rays have spent 21 million on the draft the last 3 years, which puts them 8th in MLB, so I think its safe to assume that the Rays won’t suddenly go cheap.
by MrNegative1 on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Especially with the 2011 Draft hype
If this is truly one of the deepest drafts-all these picks are gonna come in handy.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Should be fun
In 2007, there were 64 First Round Picks! The most ever. Will 2011 top that?
The average number of draft picks in the first round is 43 (since 1991).
Wonder how deep the 2007 draft was projected to be?
by MrNegative1 on Nov 23, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't the 2007 draft more a result of misuse of money?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Nov 23, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
not sure
good question, someone more qualified than myself would have to answer.
Here is the list of the 17 draft picks given up for the 2007 (for players signed after 2006) draft. , But that wasn’t the most. In 2006 (for players signed after 2005), 19 players were signed and in 2005 (for players signed after 2004) there were 21 players. The most ever was the 1999 draft where there were 22 players (for players signed after 1998 season).<—-I hope this paragraph makes sense, I’m tired!
Kevin Ahrens (Blue Jays-1) – Pick from Rangers as compensation for Free Agent Frank Catalanotto
Blake Beavan (Rangers-1) – Pick from Astros as compensation for Free Agent Carlos Lee
Chris Withrow (Dodgers-1) – Pick from RedSox as compensation for Free Agent Julio Lugo
Tim Alderson (Giants-1) – Pick from Dodgers as compensation for Free Agent Jason Schmidt
Michael Main (Rangers-1) – Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Gary Matthews
Wendell Fairley (Giants-1) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Moises Alou
Jordan Zimmermann (Nationals-2) – Pick from Cubs as compensation for Free Agent Alfonso Soriano
Joshua Fields (Braves-2) – Pick from Orioles as compensation for Free Agent Danys Baez
David Kopp (Cardinals-2) – Pick from Brewers as compensation for Free Agent Jeff Suppan
Grant Desme (Athletics-2) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Barry Zito
Scott Moviel (Mets-2) – Pick from Indians as compensation for Free Agent Roberto Hernandez
Eric Sogard (Padres-2) – Pick from Astros as compensation for Free Agent Woody Williams
Eric Eiland (Blue Jays-2) – Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Justin Speier
Eric Niesen (Mets-3) – Pick from Orioles as compensation for Free Agent Chad Bradford
Scott Carroll (Reds-3) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Rich Aurilia
Brandon Workman (Phillies-3) – Pick from Indians as compensation for Free Agent David Dellucci
Corey Kluber (Padres-4) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Dave Roberts
by MrNegative1 on Nov 23, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
If we turn Hawpe into a draft pick....oh yes.
Talk about worth the investment.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Nov 23, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions
That'd be silly if someone signed him
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Nov 23, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a bad player. We forget how much success he's had every year except last year.
Since he’s only a Type B, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone gives him a nice contract.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Nov 23, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Hawpe will be signed.
I don’t know if he’ll get a major league deal though. I can see him landing with Clint Hurdle in Pittsburgh, signing a minor league deal with an agreement that he would most likely make the 25 man.
Austin Kearns had a 10 million option turned down by the Washington Nationals last winter and ended up reuniting with Manny Acta in Cleveland on a minor league deal.
Kearns would be a nice addition here in Tampa Bay by the way. Right handed bat with the ability to play all 3 OF positions and 1b. Would like to take a look at him after a full healthy year and a healthy off-season.
if Hawpe or Qualls sign on a minor league deal, no comp pick
by Jason Collette on Nov 24, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind either one signing with us on the cheap.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 24, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Same. I think they're both due for bounce back years.
As always, for the right price…
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Nov 24, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
My guess is
that refusing Type B was part of the negotiation when we signed him. There is no rule against negotiating that “refusal” into a contract.
Prefer to keep Hawpe
at least on a one year deal, same with Qualls. Hope they resign Balfour, Wheeler and Choate. It would be nice if they could resign Soriano, but getting Putz on a 1 or 2 year deal wouldn’t be bad. Hopefully add Manny or Thome as a DH.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Nov 24, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hawpe and Qualls
Here’s how I think it went down. FO said we’ll sign you and promise you a post-season roster spot if you promise to decline arb. Everybody wins.
I was wondering..
What about Winston Abreu? he hasnt been given a shot and did really well in the minors. He could be grant balfour 2.0…

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