Odds and Ends: Nationals Interested in Garza, Yankees Not Into Crawford?
by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
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PrintTwo interesting rumors hit the fan this morning, both of which deserve a glance. First of all, there's this report about the Nationals:
The Nationals are looking for a top-end veteran starter, and Lee would help sell some tickets and fill the enthusiasm void in Washington while Stephen Strasburg recovers from Tommy John surgery. If the Nationals fail to land Lee, they'll look for pitching elsewhere on the free agent market or try to swing a deal for a James Shields, Matt Garza or another starter who might be available in trade.
Add the Nationals to the list of teams in the Matt Garza Sweepstakes. The problem with them is they have limited trade chips that might interest the Rays; they already stated they don't want to trade their young infielders Danny Espinosa or Ian Desmond, and their only big prospect bat (outside of Harper, who is way out of out league) would be catcher Derek Norris.
Next up, we have this blurb about the Yankees:
Cliff Lee headlines [their] plans, but those fans hoping to see long-time nemesis Carl Crawford in pinstripes are unlikely to get their wish.
According to a source, the Yankees aren't planning to make a hard charge for Crawford or Jayson Werth, the top two offensive free agents available this winter.
When the Yankees are interested in a player, there's never any doubt about it: the Yankees are interested and tend to dominate the negotiations. It's possible that they're trying to feign apathy, hoping to keep Crawford's price down, but since when has that ever been the Yankee way of doing business? I think we can all take a guarded sign of relief...although I'm not going to relax entirely until I hear for sure that Crawford has signed elsewhere.
Oh, and also, Don Zimmer is staying on as senior advisor for another year. You gotta love the Zim.
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Crawford
can land in a few places.
The Yankees won’t grab him unless they trade Gardy. Which most likely won’t happen unless Lee goes somewhere not named NY.
The Giants? I have a weird feeling SF can get him if he serious about the fans. LAA of course, Boston, and funny feeling the Tigers. Gut feeling on the last one.
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Tigs are my hope, but alas, plan b. I still see the Angels getting him and us losing a first round pick
If they do that they might as well get Sori and screw us on that as well.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston thinks Martinez is heading to Detroit.
If that’s the case, Crawford needs to go elsewhere. Otherwise we’re not getting a first round pick back for him.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer to deal Garza over Shields
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I WONDER WHO MR MANIAC WOULD CHOOSE?
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
by Doug09 on Nov 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chill.
I would rather trade Garza than Shields becuase Garza will get us a lot more. There are reasons to trade Shieds though too.
I think (almost) all of us here would too.
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, not specifically you.
I just figure there’s someone out there that’s going to disagree with that.
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
CC needs to avoid the ALE and the Angels.
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by Tommy Rancel on Nov 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
Here’s hoping for the Tigers.
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A 1-2 of Jackson-Crawford would be pretty amazing
I’m kind of hoping Detroit gets it done. If Detroit was able to go all in, balls out, they could have a 1-2-3-4 of Austin Jackson-Carl Crawford-Victor Martinez-Miguel Cabrera.
That would be sick.
by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
An OF of Gardner, Granderson, and Crawford would be awful against lefties
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
re: the Nationals
If the team wants to try to make another run this year, what about Garza for Peralta + Willingham + a prospect? Peralta and Willingham are both free agents after the year (I think), but at least Willingham will probably fetch type B, and they’re both serious upgrades in positions of need (bullpen and DH). At that point, you don’t need elite prospects to even out the deal.
Just brainstorming a bit…
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Make a run?..get a closer
The only way to make a run again in 2011 is to get a closer and I think that will be Friedman’s first target. My first option would be to re-sign Benoit for the job at 2 years and 6-7 million dollars. If not, I could see them going after a Heath Bell in a trade(much like they did with Soriano last season). He’ll probably get about 6 million in arbitration but if the Rays trade Bartlett(Pads could use a SS) the money would be almost a wash(and both are FA after 2011). Rays would need to add a solid(not top arm in the deal) to entice the Pads..maybe a NIck Barnese. Rays then have a closer to nail down all the wins the starters will provide in 2011. If the Rays don’t compete by the trade deadline then they can move Bell to a contender and re-coup some young prospects for the future.
We need more than just a closer to make a run
And Peralta had an ERA around 2.00 with a 6/1 K/BB ratio last year. That’s kind of what I was thinking – closer on the cheap
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I can pretty much guarantee that a closer is not one of AF's top priorities.
Closers get drastically overpaid considering their actual value to a team, and it’s much more important to make sure that the entire bullpen is solid…not just one part of it. If one falls in our laps like Soriano did last year, then sure, we’ll take it. But otherwise, I expect Friedman is going to be targeting a variety of lower cost, high upside arms for the bullpen.
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What he said...
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No such thing as a cheap closer
…worth their weight. Agreed the Rays will need to replace much of Crawfords and perhaps Pena’s power but that could be done on the cheap, IMO. Add a RH platoon for DH, along with Johnson, get a solid 1st baseman and it’s a start. What you can’t do is have a question for the closer and they aren’t grown in trees. Cheaper, but smart, would be Benoit, who I feel is very capable of filling that role and re-work the set-up positions. If not Benoit, Bell makes sense because you know what you are getting and it could just as well allow them to re-sign and keep Benoit as the set-up man again(although it might be difficult).
Unless AF is completely overwhelmed, trading
Garza this off season is not the smart thing to do
Keep him as a trade chip for July in case we are out of it or can replace him with Hell Boy who can still be optioned to AAA
At the trade deadline is where he’ll bring the most talent, where he’ll still be under team comtrol for 1.5 years
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let's not buy into Stu's crying poor as this site seems to do
If they want to the Rays can well afford to keep a $70-80 million dollar payroll, and still turn a profit
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...where did this come from?
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
every possible FA this site suggests is usually
prefaced by ‘on the cheap’
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So you pick a post about trade rumors, not the two posts in a row we had this week about FA targets?
Well done.
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by Steve Slowinski on Nov 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For those of you dreaming of #1 draft pick compensation for the likes
of our Type A guys it is unlikely
Odds are whoever signs a Crawford or Soriano will also sign another Type A thus we could actually get a Rd 3 for Crawford
Didn’t the Blue Jays get slammed in this manner?
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What’s the date that FAs can wait till that results in no draft choice compensation? That’s another way to be screwed.
All of our FAs are highly valued
Unlikely any of them are left out(the Type-A ones at least)
PIZZA?!?
you miss the pointwhen the Yankees signed AJ Burnett the Jays only got a 3rd from them because
they gave their 1 & 2 to MIL and ATL for Sabathia and Tex
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I don't see the Yankees signing 3 Type-A players
The 5 highest rated players are Werth, Soriano, Lee, V-Mart, CC and there’s very little likely overlap with those players.
PIZZA?!?
Best case scenario--Crawford to the Tigers
Rays get the 18th pick and the supplemental, providing the Tigers don’t signV-Mart too
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I can't see the Sox letting him walk
Unless they’re crazy or have a plan B-Saltalamacchia/Varitek as your C situation is just pathetic.
I’d like to see Beltre to LAA & Soriano to CHW-optimize our luck.
PIZZA?!?
Vmart
I do believe that Victor will end up with the team that gives him that 4th year (and guarantees him that he is the primary catcher) that he is determined to get. Wouldn’t be suprised to see if he re-joins Wedge out in Seattle.
Ugh, you guys are so bad at rosterbating
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Let's just trade BJ for a reliever and call it a day
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw in Shields and you got a deal
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Shields and BJ for Jon Papelbon
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOOK AT ALL HIS SAVES!
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Nov 4, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
KISS THE RINGS BITCH
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
As an option at dh, everyone seemed to forget about jermaine dye..
He may have had a year off, but still if he could hit 240, with 15-20 homers its an improvement in the DH spot. Invitation to spring training wouldn’t hurt..
He wouldn't even answer the phone with that offer
He had offers & turned them down, even @ 3M
PIZZA?!?
One of Dye Problems
Dye’s second half in 2009 was absolutely atrocious. He hit .179/.293./.297. He went from a HR every 16 Plate Appearances in the first half to one every 35 in the second half. Not saying that I wouldn’t offfer him a minor league invite (so I’m not arguing your point) but I do agree with Transplanted that he may not accept an offer based on what he declined in the past.
Derek Norris would be a huge win.
he’s a big ol’ bat, and he walks like a mfkr. plzzzz do this. Garza for Norris and some reliever would make me so hap
I knew the Yankees wouldn't
If you think about it, the Yankees don’t need him. Yes, they have the money to get him, but it may not seem like it, but they are a bit conservative with their money. They’re going to be focused on getting Lee. The Yanks have Granderson, Swisher, and Gardner in their outfield. Those guys will only get better.
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