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Trade Strings v2.0: Another Look at the Jason Bartlett Trade

Last off-season, I ran a series on the Rays' trade history, specifically focusing on trades that begot more trades. I called these multi-trades Trade Strings, and I described them as such:

"Trade strings" are trades that eventually result in future trades.  And then those trades beget future trades.  And so on and so forth down the road until eventually, a prospect or two doesn't pan out and the trade string fades.  Theoretically, if a team was exceptionally good at evaluating talent and got lucky in some trades, a team could keep one player's peak talent within their system for decades, even long after that original player had declined and fallen out of baseball. 

Since the Rays are a young organization and didn't complete many trades until the new ownership took over, the Rays have very few long trade strings. That said, there are a couple trade strings that have become especially fruitful for the Rays, giving them renewed waves of talent every couple of years. One of these successful strings just got longer, so let's take a look at it:

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The numbers for Delmon, Bartlett, and Garza represent what those players produced (and cost) after they were traded to their new team. The descriptions under Russell, Ramos, Gomes, and Figueroa list their 2010 numbers (or a close approximation). For descriptions on any of the above statistics, go here.

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Pretty impressive, huh? There was lots of talk this year about how Delmon Young has resurrected his career and Garza-Young trade may turn out to be a wash, but I disagree. Even if Young becomes a superstar over these next two years of team control, the Rays have received an impressive amount of value out of Garza and Bartlett already. Young would need to dramatically improve his game - say, post 7 WAR (Wins Above Replacement) in each of the next two years - to approach the value the Rays received from Bartlett and Garza.  

That's not even mentioning the recent haul of players that the Rays got for Bartlett. None of these players are top prospects or guaranteed stars, but they are all interesting players with upside. There's a chance Russell or Gomes becomes a power arm in the back of the Rays' bullpen. There's a chance Ramos becomes an effective major-league LOOGY. And there's a chance Figueroa becomes a useful role / bench player. This is quite a haul, flooding the Rays with more young, cheap talent with upside. 

This chart leaves plenty of questions to mull over. Will these new players pan out? How much talent with the Rays acquire for Garza? If recent history is our guide, then we should feel confident in receiving quite a haul for Garza. I mean really, remember this?

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It really is.

I didn’t get a chance to elaborate on it like I did with the Young string, but I’ll get to it soon. I think it helps to provide some context…although I think it pretty much speaks for itself.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

trade strings are always fun to look at

especially with what Friedman has, and continues to, pull off. As impressive as the Victor Zambrano tree has been in TB’s history, I think once the Rays trade Garza (this year or next), that will turn out to be the crowning tree by far in Rays history.

If Garza nets Brett Jackson or Derek Norris or Yonder Alonso or whoever, that will be an impressive coup from a former No. 1 overall draft pick that never turned out.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 21, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Rays also gave up Harris and Pridie

Not really a game changer but worth mentioning

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 21, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Good point. I had a tough time figuring out how to include them in the visual.

Pridie is with the Mets now, and Harris has added another 0.3 WAR to the Twins. Not much, but that’s some value back at least.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe the Twins traded Harris...

along with J.J. Hardy to the Orioles for Brett Jacobson and Jim Hoey. Don’t know anything about those guys but the Twins may or may not get value there.

by free hotdogs on Dec 21, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

haha this is what I found on Wikipedia for Pridie

He received a September call-up, and made his major league debut on September 3 against the Toronto Blue Jays as a pinch runner for Delmon Young, and scored on a Joe Mauer double. He remained in the game in right field, and committed a game-tying error with two outs in the ninth inning, allowing the game eventually won by the Jays to go into extra innings.

Well that’s minus 1 win

by free hotdogs on Dec 21, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking of trying to put that together.

Or find a way to connect all the different trades he’s been involved in. That’s a crazy web, though.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed this piece, though it's a bit of a different concept

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/12/14/1876551/the-tangled-web-we-weave-an-interactive-trade-map

Here’s a trade string I put together:

Kapler/Navarro—→Pujols———>Championship

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Oh Steve, no...you lost me at Comic Sans.

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by EminenceFront on Dec 21, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Oh no! Credibility = ruined.

I was so innocent a year ago…I had no idea.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Any comments on the layout of the new String chart?

I like the idea of including context, but did I choose the right stats? Is it pretty intuitive?

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Do you still have the entire matrix I made last year?

That’s something I’d like to revisit some day. I went so far as to look at some software that could make it pretty awesome. http://www.visualthesaurus.com/

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by EminenceFront on Dec 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I have it somewhere

I’ll look for it later.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I should have it saved somewhere, but I can't find it right now.

It was great stuff.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Kinda scary

that even after having a pretty darn good year last year, Delmon is still at only 0.3 WAR since the trade.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 21, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

You mean 08 and 09.

He was legitimately average in ’10

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 21, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU LIE

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by Brickhaus on Dec 21, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, really, Splinter died, bro.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 21, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I have seen it before but that Zambrano trade string still makes me so happy

The Delmon may be updated again real soon. I know Friedman’s comment and I learned a long time ago to not trust rumors but Rangers went for Cliff Lee and Zack Greinke, at one point they wanted both, they didn’t get either one. Washington doesn’t want Feliz in the rotation and now they can’t even sign Brandon Webb. They want Garza, This string may soon include Engel Betre and others.

Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?

by joeybw on Dec 21, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Besides the lopsided WAR comparison

Delmon Young torpedoed the Twins’ seasons in 2008 & 2009 because they had to play a 163rd game. Losing in 2008 & winning, but setting the team back in 2009 in addition to his poor play.

Something else to think about when comparing the trades.

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by Transplanted on Dec 21, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Outa curiousity...

What steps did you use to create the string? I was messing around with Excel to create something similar but yours is a much cleaner looking result.

Is it just a Word document and photobucket?

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by grover on Dec 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, it's Paint.

That’s the extent of my photo-editing expertise.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

If it makes you feel better… your skills are stronger than mine!

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by grover on Dec 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

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