The Blame Game: Enough Already!
We don’t normally write posts responding to something another journalist wrote. Frankly, there are so many disparaging, erroneous, and misleading articles out there about the Rays that it would take far too long to respond to them all. I’m making an exception this time. FoxSports’ Tracy Ringolsby wrote the latest erroneous piece, and I have no idea what point he’s trying to make.
Mr. Ringolsby’s piece is entitled "Tampa Bay Rays just can’t please their fans". First off, if that’s some sort of weird innuendo, consider me glad they can't please me. Secondly, what does that title mean? Let’s see if he clears it up in the second paragraph line:
"That is, if you can find any – Rays fans, that is."
ZING. Talk about original.
Ringolsby just made a joke that NO ONE has EVER made before about the Tampa Bay fan base. He is the first. Watch out, Bill Simmons, Tracy Ringolsby is coming after your Sports Writer Comedian crown.
The Rays are being slowly dismantled, not by desire but, because of the economic reality that the ownership faces.
So you do understand. Whew, I was thinking your whole article was going to be a lazy attack at the Rays fan base. Glad you see it from our side. What's next?
The Rays built a franchise the way the public claims to want a franchise to be built, from the ground up. They created a team that played the way the public claims it wants a team to play, featuring flash and dash and a determination to win. They produced results that fans are supposed to endorse, advancing to the World Series two years ago, and winning the American League East this year, finishing ahead of baseball’s two big spenders, the Yankees and Red Sox. The Rays have the fourth-best record in the major leagues the past three seasons, behind only the Yankees, Red Sox and Philadelphia Phillies.
The fan response?
You can virtually hear a pin drop at Tropicana Field, not only this year but most every year since the Rays were created out of expansion back in 1998.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You were so close, *sigh*. Ringolsby goes on to note how the Rays attendance hasn't been above two million since 1998. Is that the barometer now? I wasn't aware. Here's the Rays attendance over the past three seasons: 1,811,986. 1,874,962. 1,864,999. Here is what it was in 2007, their last awful season: 1,387,603. Given Tropicana Field's location and the unemployment rate in the Tampa Bay area, the near 500k jump in attendance is about the max I think you can reasonably expect. Of course, Ringolsby makes nary a mention of those two factors.
The result? As Rays players reach free agency, they become members of the Tampa Bay alumni club. If the ticket-buying public doesn’t care, why should ownership?
Does everyone in the Tampa Bay area become a member of the Tampa Bay alumni club if they move away? Is there some sort of card you get to carry, or perhaps a crest?
Getting back on topic, the public does care. We've written about it numerous times so I won't go into too much detail, but the Rays had the fifth-best local television ratings in the majors last year. That's more than the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers to name a few. Again, that's something Ringolsby fails to mention. He does, however, mention that the team has lost Carl Crawford, Joaquin Benoit, and Carlos Pena, with Rafael Soriano and Grant Balfour seemingly likely to depart as well. Using Ringolsby's logic, that is somehow the fault of Rays fans not showing up to the games. That couldn't be more incorrect.
Let's play a game. Say the Rays suddenly had a $120 million payroll. That would have ranked as the seventh highest in baseball at the start of the 2010 season. Do you think the team would have given Crawford a seven year contract? How about three years at $5 million per for Benoit? $10 million for Pena? Whatever silly amount Soriano is going to sign for? I'd say no on each count. I don't believe there is a scenario in which the Rays give a seven year deal to any 29 year old, let alone Crawford. The same goes for Benoit and Pena. It doesn't jive with their philosophy. They can (and will) find better ways to allocate their money. For example, Jonah Keri suggested they sign Adrian Beltre to a bargain and play two third basemen at the same time instead. That's mostly meant in jest, but still...I could totally see Maddon five man infielding the hell out of people.
Of course, a $120 million payroll is never going to happen. Even if the Rays' attendance rises, considering the size of the Tampa Bay market, their best case scenario will always be a situation similar to the Brewers: a $75 million-$85 million payroll with attendance in the 2.5-3 million range. Gate revenue only goes so far.
And who can blame the ownership? Businessmen are in business, after all, to make money. And the Rays ownership has spent money in scouting and player development that has translated into big-league success but hasn’t translated into a growing fan base.
Once again, if Ringolsby went by just about any metric other than ticket sales he'd see that is totally false. Really, you're writing this on your laptop which is, I presume, connected to the internet. Information isn't hard to look up.
And to mend fences with what fans they do have, the Rays ownership decided to give tickets away for a late-season home game. The good news is that folks actually showed up and filled the seats at the Trop that game. The bad news is giving away tickets doesn’t help a franchise avoid having to give away its talented players.
Huh? What does giving away tickets have to do with retaining talented players? I...I can't take it anymore *headasplodes*
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I'm just going to go ahead and drop this link in here:
If Payrolls Decided Baseball Games
Tampa Bay is never going to be such a large market that we can have over a $100M payroll every season…it’s just unreal. I think the Brewers are a great comparison, and there’s nothing wrong with that – imagine what the Rays could do if they could maintain a payroll consistently around what they did last season. Woh.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions
Haha, thanks.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to explain this to my sports marketing teacher.
He thinks
NY, Boston, Philly, and LA can only compete in baseball. WRONG WRONG WRONG.
"Don't give up, don't ever give up."
It must be awkward to be smarter than your professor...
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
My district is pretty good though. We were recently donated over 7 million because this guy who loved our district was a millionaire who passed away.
"Don't give up, don't ever give up."
Another Year, Another Battle
Here we go again. We don’t even get an offseason to reflect on winning the AL East two out of three years. We don’t see any national writers trying to figure out why the Rays are such a hot item on TV and Radio. It’s the “bash the Rays and their fans” template. I’ve never wanted a team to do well more than I want the Rays to crush it next year so I can tell each one of those guys where to shove their articles.
If I had Photoshop and the skills to use it
I’d be replacing his stupid Dale Earnhardt hat with all sorts of things, like a beaniecopter or a family of lemurs.
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Good rebuttal, Erik
I’m not even sure why this guy felt it necessary to write this article right now.
I find it funny that Nat’l writers are pointing to Crawford, Pena, and Benoit’s departure as a “dismantling” of the Rays… when even the California Angels said Crawford’s price tag was too high. As for Pena… does anyone think maybe the Rays know something about ‘Los that the Cubs don’t (like his $10 mill years are behind him). And as much as I love Benoit, that contract the Tigers gave him is a big risk. He was much more attractive at last year’s salary.
RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter
I think a lot of it comes down to ignorance of the Rays and lazy reporting.
I’m not expecting national reporters to know the Rays and the TB area as well as we do. But if you don’t know a team well, take some time to look up info before you write a post about them. Resorting to stereotypical memes as your fact check is a horrible way to go.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's laziness influenced by several factors
A common complaint from the big media outlets is that all those haphazard blogs are always posting stuff quickly for the scoop, even at the risk of sloppy/erroneous reporting; this of course is forcing the big outlets to be just as quick, causing the quality of their work to suffer.
This of course is 83 kinds of wrong, considering how DRB and countless other blogs are doing well-researched stuff. An op-ed piece like this isn’t even scoopable, particularly since it’s the 320498203943th Rays attendance op-ed.
What’s most surprising is that FoxSports would completely betray the journalistic integrity of their news-centered corporate brothers.
I like pie
"What’s most surprising is that FoxSports would completely betray the journalistic integrity of their news-centered corporate brothers."
That made me giggle. Well done.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
The concepts of surplus value
and the fact that top dollar free agents typically can at best prove worthy of their contract with considerable downside risk, be it injury or performance are not things the majority of the MSM can grasp. America loves a good bubble.
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Asa a follow up:
I find it hilarious that Channel 10’s chief meteorologist probably has a better understanding of these concepts than most local sports personaliites.
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He must dhazebay
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Asa
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Dec 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Pena is going to do what he does, walk, strikeout, and hit a mess of dingers. It all depends on if he can start elevating the ball again.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
He should enjoy facing fewer elite lefties
Still, a risky contract,way too risky for the Rays.
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Even if they had the money they wouldn't have given him $10 mill
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 22, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh no doubt
Why pay for the chance that he might justify the contract. Limiting downside is a great move there.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. People don't seem to get that the Rays would have made nearly the same moves with a big payroll
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 22, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
But the Rays used to spend money - they signed Greg Vaughn and Wade Boggs!
Oh wait, this further proves the point.
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I've jsut learned to tune it out
It goes well beyond the sports world. People are always chasing the dream instead of building it. Few things require more discipline than finding value.
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There are many things the Rays know that the Cubs don't
I mean, if payroll and attendance are all you need to field a successful baseball team, the Cubs should be awesome – they were in the top 10 in both last season.
I like pie
I would also say that some people are bent at the Rays
… because they prefer to use payroll to determine their pre-season picks. The Rays have made that much more difficult the past couple of years.
RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter
I can't believe something like this came from the hallowed pages of FoxSports.com.
Ringolsby looks like one of those sweet cowboys that prefer to be ridden by the bull as opposed to riding it.
That’s the seventh-highest salary at Wrigley Field and more than double the $4.5 million guarantee of Ben Zorbist
What a failure.
If the ticket-buying public doesn’t care, why should ownership?
Dumbest. Question. Ever.
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If all the rays fans were not poor white trash we wouldn't have this problem!
-national media
www.dhazebay.com
I've heard that Ringolsby literally eats shit
Like it’s a fetish or something, anyways, don’t shoot the messenger, it’s just what I’ve heard.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions
A masterful shitpost by Ringolsby. This is the "Piss Christ" of shitposting. Makes me want to smear my feces on the internet right now.
OH FUCK YES YOU FUCKING MANBEAST FUCK ME ALL NIGHT LONG
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2009 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 1 recs
He'd find the fans....at home
Top 5 TV ratings
Top 10 radio ratings
Fans follow the games however they can afford to follow them. Not to mention, Rays fan activity on Twitter equal or exceeds those of Yankees and Red Sox fans. To avoid the R/A heckles, – that’s our feature story today over at DOTR if you so choose to check it out.
i thought you were going to h/t your favorite rays fan twitfeeds. i am disappoint.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You certainly are.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
We are all godless Americans, because there is no god, I don't mind being called a dog, I almost fought one to the death last night, fucking Suburbs
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
as a newly discovered jew, ill take personal credit for your first point.
and 1, christians!
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
YESSSSSS, AND IT COUNTS
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Payroll and performance should never be
considered cause and effect, however i am saddened by some of the affordable and effective FA we’ve let slip by
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Gulp
I agree on your last statement
I’m going to die a little inside each time I watch E5 hit one of his 30 bombs this season
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
He, Jenks and Thome could have been added and the payroll still under $50 mil
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I don't think Jenks could have been added.
And we don’t know if E5 said no or what
by Erik Hahmann on Dec 22, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
why not Jenks as out CL?
His numbers were crunched here every which way, till he went north and then he became a POS
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by sternfan1 on Dec 22, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Why not Rauch as our closer? Why not Balfour, Saito, or Qualls?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Qualls must go to the Yankees
I need to see Jay Jaffe assplode
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, rec'd
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
This, although I'm still not sold that Thome is going to come for cheap.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nice response
But I disagree about resigning CC. Not that we would sign him for seven years and 4 bazillion dollars. But if payroll were higher, management would have found a way to keep him for a shorter term. Say 5 years and 3 bazillion.
he passed up a smaller deal that would allow him to play closer to home and with his bff
he has a say in this, too.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This surprsies you? Nobody wants to be known as the guy that couldn't get Craw because he was outbid by 30M
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
that contradicts about 25 other reports, but ok
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean that I don't think it gets this far if payroll wasn't an obstacle
He probably would have been resigned long before he hit the open market. But we don’t live in that world.
by nomoredevil on Dec 22, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
You mean like when he was re-signed for 6/30
We can do those deals all day, it’s the 7/140 that we can’t compete with. Would you rather have Craw’s 23-28 YO seasons for 30M or his 29-36 YO seasons for 140ish M? It’s really a no brainer, now we just need to get busy finding the next Craw.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not arguing that we should do those deals in our present situation
But the OP was making that point that we would never do it even if the money were available, b/c it goes against the organizational philosophy. And I disagree in the case of CC. Not that I think we would be offering 7/140. But if money were not the issue it is, we might do 5/100, buying into his early-mid 30s. That doesn’t seem too stupid, and might be something in the range Carl would “settle” for.
by nomoredevil on Dec 22, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn't settle for that because he doesn't need to. To steal a line from the Big Dog, "When asked if he would take a home-town discount, Crawford replied, "My home-town is Houston.""
I probably won’t live down using that source, but Crawford was going to maximize his value as he didn’t feel any allegiance here. He may have regrets down the line about leaving the only organization he knew, but Torii Hunter is a nice comparable and he doesn’t bitch or moan at all.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
And if you think Longo is going to get a re-structured deal or a 7/150 deal of his own after his current contract is up, then you might want to follow another team, because that's not how they roll round here.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
One last thing
I’m also keeping in mind that a deal last year would be pre-Jason Werth-to-the-Nats. That certainly muddied the market. And I agree about the Longo restructuring in your next post.
Now, back to work! I’m stealing tax dollars here.
by nomoredevil on Dec 22, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i dont really get the impression that craw bleeds sky blue
maybe its bc the area hates blacks.
@thekidpow
by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or the fact that he's played a lot of great baseball here and been really under appreciated by fans and media.
by firemangreg on Dec 22, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I have a Craw tat on my dick, so you better take that back
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
so you said what i said, but in a non-fmg way
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, not really.
I’m saying that his exposure was limited here (except the last couple of years) and he has been passed over for a bunch of accolades because he played here.
by firemangreg on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
So long as you call him Big Dog its cool
Are you a clone too?
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
All I listen to is Big Dog archives, every minute, every day
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
The loss of Carl Crawford coupled with his ability to make the Red SSox better will be miniscule to the Rays
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If the team would have maintained the payroll...
and signed CC to the same deal, CC would have represented 27% of the team’s payroll.
That would have tied Jeff Bagwell and the 2002 Houston Astros for highest percentage of payroll dedicated to a single player in recent history. That team went 84-78 because it was top heavy and had no money to address other shortcomings.
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Percentage of Payroll
Agreed,I’d say Carl was an exciting player to watch, but certainly not worth the amount of payroll that would represent. However, re-sign at least someone from the bullpen unless you think they can be easily replaced
by David Bloom on Dec 24, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
As much fun as it is bitching about spotswriters, isn't it time we just accepted all these guys were lazy communications majors in college?
Other than Pos and guys like Tanier or Schatz, good minds and good writers don't get into the sports field.
What about Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams? He speaks pretty well.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
i actually laughed
almost a single, sustained guffaw
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hes on mlbn and speaks like he learned english from a kenny chesney album
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i wish i could watch more mlbn but they insist on marginalizing the only employee they have with a brain (magrane).
I hope mlb doesn’t internally pull hair over why the product isn’t popular anymore.
@thekidpow
by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He called Mark Reynolds a Gold Glove defender.
Nepotism is disgusting.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
yes. he doesnt know any of the players unless they showed up in an all star game.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
found out last week my son's Kindergarten teacher dated HR back in his ESPN days
She had no idea who he was when they met
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
She is
I don’t mind going to conferences in the slightest :)
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
except for the fact
That Ringgolsby is enshrined into Cooperstown for his writing and co-founded Baseball America.
Simply put, he should be better than this.
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Revenue sharing
The amount of money that moved from haves such as the Yankees and Red Sox to have-nots such as the Athletics and Padres in Major League Baseball totaled $404 million for 2010, according to league sources. The amount was a decline of 6.7 percent from last year when the total was $433 million.
The amount of money per club that was transferred from those that pulled in high revenues to those that needed assistance was not divulged.
by Jason Collette on Dec 22, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions
Ringolsby has a history of this shit
Shameless promotion of our Cubs blog, but here is a post FJMing a Ringolsby article from April of this year
http://www.anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/april/a-rod-is-rude.html
Rays/Cubs fan - AnotherCubsBlog.net
at this point, the back end of our bullpen is as frightful to envision as one of AndyHellickstine's dates
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Adam Russell is nice.
Higher whiff rate on his fastball than Balfour.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what that means, Sterny.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
En Fuego
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
gonna be tough to top last years playoff party
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So true
Fact: The Rays have never lost a game when there was a playoff party.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
sterny will be in an iron lung by the time we can have the next one i wont go to
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'd like to bring Balf back on the right kind of deal, but I'd prefer to find the next Balfour rather than pay for past performance.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Only 50 IP but he struck out a batter per inning.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but how many saves does he have?
Has he even gritted through a self-inflicted injury yet? Fucking rookie noobs pos’s
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
russ is big enough to back hickey down, warrior style
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gimme this any day of the week

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Guess who I am

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
You just got tomohawk'd son

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
who is the guy who is not jay lethal?
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tatanka....Buffalo
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
He also puts out
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
You said the same thing last year at this point
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
WOOF
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
not as good as the eating their young post
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, but still no rec.
You are a hard man to impress.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
If you become self-aware the world is doomed
There is no fate, but what you make
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
seriously, we need at least some veteran, who has success pitching the late innings
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Percy's beard is probably Zeus-ian at this point, he's probably good to go
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Should bring back Izzy
We really don’t need Hammel Davis and Price are both better than him
For the purpose of this season and the uncertainty of Percy we must keep Izzy and i want Cormier too. Whoever wrote the post that he’s just now becoming comfortable being a reliever makes perfect sense
by Raymondo on Mar 26, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Comfort level: nullified
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Check your pants
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
BRUNT!
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I know where Izzy is -- walking in runs against the Indians.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
7 walks, 5 Ks, 2 HRs in 5.2 AAA innings in 2010 for the Reds
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
no trashing the mothers
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Baby's sick, you make me sick
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
thought for sure reejers first post in this thread would be "ill call you bitch for short"
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Looking over the data for my next potential post about the Rays staying in the TB
I will say this. There is likely never going to be “good” attendance in TB for the Rays. Since there’s a combination of lack of high-income residents+smallish population base+not enough companies the money isn’t there.
Not to mention the poor attendance the franchise had in its first & second seasons. Comparing them to the Marlins, Rockies & Diamondbacks(since they were all part of the 90s expansion), the Rays posts the worst attendance by far. Only about 31,000 in 1998 compared to the 37,000 to 40,000+ of the other teams. But also the sudden drop going into the 2nd seasons. The (Devil) Rays fell to under 20K(about 19,900) that represented a 37.6% drop, which is far more than the other 3 teams. Even the Marlins in 1994(the strike season) outdrew the (Devil) Rays (Marlins almost had 1.8M that year). And that’s also noting they were both franchises having similar success at the time.
PIZZA?!?
attendance
I don’t think the stadium location is the problem on the attendance. Stu made good gestures early on such as the free parking, and in return I guess he was hoping that it would translate into increased attendance numbers down the road. This is especially troubling as a winning ball club. When Braves went from lovable losers to consistent pennant winners the attendance did pick up with the bandwagon fans. So what is the issue here?
One thing is being in Florida… Most people come to Florida as a retirement destination, being raised in other cities. Just look at Dolphins, they never sell out.
The economic factors have hit the Tampa area pretty hard. That translates to less people going to games, and more listening on radio and TV. In tough times like these, the ownership has to make fan friendly reasons to come to ball park. Do they have specials they could offer to get fannies in the seats? I would look at what the minor league ball parks do as they offers many gimmicks to gets fans in park. I don’t see raising ticket prices is the answer, its being creative and getting more players in the park.
Attendance will be better in Nashville or Vegas or Charlotte
Expect Rays to leave in 2-3 years. Stu is a smart businessman and will sell high. He will generate a large profit with a competitive but not great team. Bye bye Rays; Stu figured out that a great team in Tampa area not as profitable as a competitive team in economically better areas above.
by Raysballfan on Dec 24, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions

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