The UH-FISH-OL Rosterbation Thread
by BWoodrum on Dec 3, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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PrintNon-Tender day is like Christmas and Hanukkah in these parts. Or, as friend-the-site, owner-of-my-heart, Tommy Rancel, said, it's kind of like Friedman's Black Friday.*
*Yes. Five commas. All of them correctly placed.
So, let's do what we've already been doing all around this site and in the private confines of our rooms. Let's IMAGINE! Let's FORECAST! Let's talk ROSTERS!!!
Rules of The Game
Much like the blues bar in Adventures in Babysitting, nobody leaves without posting a roster (or sangin' d'blues). Remember, these are forecasts, not wish-lists. Post would you would both like and expect to see come Opening Day.
The official guidelines:
- Post your hopeful/expected lineup, bench, and pitching staff.
- For all free agents, write the terms of the contract in parenthesis out to the side. Let's use the (years/annualy salary format) so we don't have to do math.
- Free agent acquisitions should not exceed $10M. That's the expected room Friedman has this year.
- If you like, you can copy and paste my roster (below the jump) and then change the names accordingly. That should make it easy for everyone to see what changes you've made.
- For positions with platoons, list the player you expect to get the most playing time first (i.e. D. Johnson/M. Diaz means DanJo faces righties and gets the most PAs).
- Remember: It's a 25-man roster, so count your players.
Happy rosterbating!
BEHOLD! THE 2011 RAYS!
C: John Jaso / Kelly Shoppach
1B: Dan Johnson
2B: Ben Zobrist / Sean Rodriguez
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Joyce / Ben Zobrist
DH: Jack Cust (1 yr/$1.5M) / Matt Diaz (1 yr/$1.0M)
BE: Matt Diaz (platoon DH, backup OF)
BE: Fernando Perez (platoon poet)
BE: Elliot Johnson
BE: Kelly Shoppach (platoon C)
SP1: David Price
SP2: James Shields
SP3: Wade Davis
SP4: Jeff Niemann
SP5: Jeremy Hellickson
CL: Bobby Jenks (1 yr/$3.5M)
SU: Jake McGee (fire man)
MI: J.P. Howell (when healthy; 2 yr/$1.0M) / Joe Bateman otherwise
MI: Cory Wade
MI: R.J. Swindle (LOOGY)
SP6/LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Total 2011 FA Budget: $7.0M
Remaining Budget: $3.0M to buy as many cats as possible and then set loose in the lower decks of Tropicana Field. The mewing and meowing will be so loud that opposing teams will have to eat cat food and huff glue in order to relax.
Notes: Bullpens are important? Tell that to the Padres, White Sox, Rockies, Brewers, and Nationals. Their relievers combined for xFIPs under 4.00, but where were they in October? That's right, soaking in a pool of regret, eating the porridge of sadness.
And yes, that is Dan Johnson starting full time at first base. If it doesn't work out, then he becomes a cog in the Zobrist platoon swing. If it doesn't work out and Leslie Anderson is killing AAA, then that's the way we move.
I'm assuming Matt Garza gets traded for a slew of awesome, yet non-ML-ready, prospects.
Alright! Let's see what you've got! Tell me what I've done wrong and how you would do it differently!
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Trade Bartlett for Pujols, sign Bonds, get Clemens on the horn, where winning this worn.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 8:29 AM EST reply actions
The Rays payroll obligations now stand at between
$25-27 million for 2011. This does not include Bartlett who i’m convinced will be traded. It does include arby raises for Upton and Garza, and all other payroll increases.
Sternberg initially said he’d cut payroll by 30% from last year’s $70 mil, which would put it somewhere in the $50 million dollar range. With about $20-25mil to play with Friedman can do some damage
Top spending priorities are back end relief and power at 1B and DH
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Fair enough. I just remembered hearing someone (AF?) say they had somewhere around $10M.
I might easily be wrong though.
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What is your source?
According to “Dock of the Rays”, the figure is closer to $35.5 million of obligations. Here is Jason Collette’s breakdown:
http://dockoftherays.com/2010/12/03/what-is-left/#more-2681
His figures do include $5 million for Bartlett, so subtracting that would get closer to your estimate. Of course, Bartlett’s salary is still part of the books, and until he does get traded, we do not know what the savings will be. For example, if he returns a major league reliever, it could mean a savings of anywhere from $4.6 million to nothing at all or perhaps just $1 or 2 million.
The figures also include an estimated $5 million for Garza who also may be dealt. If both are traded for minor leaguers or very inexpensive major leaguers, the savings would leave about $25 million to spend, but until that happens, the figure seems closer to $15 million.
Yeah, I think this is what was informing me memory.
Either way, it’s in a $15-25M range.
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I estimated it as around $10-15M in one of my posts earlier in the off-season.
I would say you were fine….it’s so tough to say, so the number you picked is defensible.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
First off, I love me some Bobby Jenks.
He had the lowest FIP and xFIP of his career last year. I smell yummy regression. I don’t think he’ll be had for $3.5, but I’d go as high $5 for him because there’s no cost in picks or talent.
I like the Diaz/Cust signings, but the two of them are terribly redundant IMO. Both are righties that can’t play D. I’d rather go after Hairston and Cust. I’ll do two scenarios: my dream scenario and my Lowered Expectations (t) scenario.
Dream:
C Jaso
1B Konerko
2B Zobrist
3B Longo
SS Brignac
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH Man-Ram
UTIL S-Rod
1B/DH DanJo
OF Helliot
C Shoppach
SP Price
SP Shields
SP Niemann
SP Davis
SP Narwhale
CL Jenks
SU McGee
MR Juan Cruz
MR Wade
MR De La Rosa
LOOGY Swindle
LR Sonny
As far as contracts go, I’d go to $4.5 on Jenks in the dream scenario. Man-Ram comes in at an incentive laden 1/$5, and Konerko’s type A status nets us a 2/$13. Then Juan Cruz gets a 1/$1.5 mill. deal. Not sure how realistic any of these are, but who the hell cares.
Lowered Expectations (t) Scenario:
C Jaso
1B Johnson
2B Zobrist
3B Longo
SS Brignac
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH Branyan
1B/DH- Nick Johnson
Util S-Rod
MI Helliot
OF/DH Cust
SP Price
SP Shields
SP Niemann
SP Davis
SP Narwhale
CL Putz
MR McGee
MR Wade
MR De La Rosa
MR Wheeler
LOOGY Swindle
LR Sonny
Both assume Garza and Bartlett are traded for players that aren’t immediately on the big league rooster. I’m meh on both because there are justs o many options at our positions of need. The RP and 1B/DH/COF types are flush this offseason. There’s no shortage of defensive liabilities with decent bats.
Highly unlikely we'd get both Manny and Konerko
and probably better suited to get one RH bat who can wear a glove and Thome
But again, if Friedman can spend about $25mil, he’ll do some good things
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Hence dream scenario.
Konerko is fine at 1B. He can’t move, but he does the things well that a first baseman needs to do to be adequate.
I'm fine w Jenks
I would certaiinly expect his BABIP to regress. I don’t put much stock in last years FIP nad xFIP gains which were largely strikeout driven (at least xFIP).
His K/9 jumped nearly two strikeouts and his k% jumped nearly 5% points yet:
His swinging strike rate was in line with his career norm at 9% and south of 2009’s 9.7%. According to statcorner, hitters chased out fo the zone less in 2010 than 2009 (30.3% vs 34%) with a comparable # of pitches in the zone.
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Rationale? Or just a straight guess?
I could see it, though. Both are due for regression, and in opposite directions.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take Soriano
Biggest risk being health. If both stay healthy, Sori is better.
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Oh no doubt, Jenks is the more apporpriate fit for the Rays
Sternfan was simply talking about who will have the better season, not value.
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Two big red flags for me with Soriano
the HR/FB was crazy low last year and the K/9 also down
Couple those with his injury history and i’m not liking him with a 3 or 4 year deal
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No doubt he will be way overpaid
K/9s are influenced by the number of hits surrendered. Soriano did strike out far fewer, but still 24% of hitters. Jenks stuck out 26.4%, well above his norm but without supporting peripherals.
Jenks K% is a 10% increase over Soriano. However K/9 is a much greater spread. The 2.19 difference is a 26.6% increase from Soriano’s K/9. This is directly realted to Jenks surrendering more hits. Don’t be fooled by the FIP.
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I'd be more concerned about the many loud outs
mostly in terms of long fly balls Soriano surrendered, that easily could have been HRs
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Not as many as HR/FB tells you
16.7% of his FB’s were of the infield variety. So his OFFB% was 42.9%. Career avg IFFB% is 14%. Soriano’s career HR/FB% is lower thank Jenks, likely due to the difference in career IFFB%. Remember releivers have more control over their HR/FB ratio than starters.
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At 1B
I’d go with Adam LaRoche, and then either Manny or Thome at DH.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 3, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I keep forgetting about Cruz
another cheaper relief option. I still think we eventually resign Wheeler and Qualls. The relief market is too flooded. They won’t get great deals elsewhere. Why not sign where you know, where your family is? For Qualls, all he has to do is look at what the Rays did for Benoit in a bounce-back year.
Cruz, Wheeler, Qualls, Jenks/Putz, McGee, Swindle, and Sonny…still seems like a solid pen to me.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
hmm, it would be nice to have the pick
but having so many others, I’d be willing to take the risk that he bounces back with above-average numbers. But these picks should help the Rays restock an already abundant system.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
The most attractive thing about Qualls was GB%
There have to be some quality GB pitchers out there. Is there a way to run a search on b-ref by GB% and contract status?
All of this is happening
C: John Jaso / Kelly Shoppach
1B: Dan Johnson/Troy Glaus (1/2)
2B: Sean Rodriguez
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Joyce
DH: Brad Hawpe (1/5 w/ option for 2/12)/Josh Willingham (2/11, acquired via trade for J. Bartlett & M. Garza, along with, D. Norris & S. Burnett)
BE: Kelly Shoppach (RH catcher)
BE: Ben Zobrist (super-utitlity, will play somewhere everyday)
BE: Elliot Johnson
BE: Troy Glaus (RH 1B/DH)
BE: Josh Willingham (LF/DH)
SP1: David Price
SP2: James Shields
SP3: Jeff Niemann
SP4: Wade Davis
SP5: Jeremy Hellickson
CL: Chad Durbin (2/5)
SU: Jake McGee
MI: Sean Burnett (2/2)
MI: Cory Wade
MI: Richard De Los Santos
SP6/LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions
Yes, Durbin to close so that we can use our best relievers (McGee & Burnett) when it matters most.
Friedman has a lot more tools at his disposal than I do for a fake roster, I’d expect his to look better, but this is a cheap pen that could get outs against both types of batters.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wait...why would we be surrendering a pick to sign Hawpe?
Oh, I get it. We wouldn’t be getting the pick we’d otherwise be getting for him.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
As he casually mentions that we might not even get that pick if he signs a MiL deal
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, $5mill or minor league deal
Me thinks there could be room in the middle
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I’m hoping he gets a $1 mill deal from a team. Better chance of minor league deal than $5 mill IMO
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Yes
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Insert cheap LH/RH power then where you see fit, Branyan could be an option, but been there, done that.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
That's fine.
I watch the Braves probably third-most of any team, and his bat looks terrible. Throw in back injury issues, and the poor numbers playing the field in the NL and I’ll pass.
He got off to a pretty hot start, as I recall, in a reduced role he could be a good, cheap get
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
This seems to back it up a bit
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He started miserably, then hit for a bit, then fell off a cliff.
If you can get him for a MILB deal I’m interested, if not he just seems done.
Glaus?
might as well have kept PtB
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, thinking outside the box instead of regurgitating what those smarter than me have said implies that we should keep PtB
Let’s see your list so I can pick at one thing that doesn’t follow what has already been uttered by the masses.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Any thoughts on the Garza/Bartlett trade that I proposed, or should we just keep tearing down a guy that fits what we're looking for and could be had cheaply?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know a whole lot about Norris, care to enlighten?
But Willingham is nice. I don’t know if the whole package is worth JB and Garza. I don’t even know about Washington’s interest in JB. I thought they liked that Desmond kid.
I think they're interested in moving Desmond if need be.
They could also use a 2B. If we could do Garza/MVB for Willingham/Norris I’d do it in a heartbeat. My jeans* actually tightened thinking about it.
*Casual Friday Bitches!
Yeah, I think Barty could play a pretty strong 2B, he's good around the bag and his arm would become plus there while his range reduction could be mitigated a bit
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Would they move JB or Desmond to 2B?
It makes sense that JB could play a good second base but who knows if clubs or he would be willing to.
You know that JB's best attributes revolve around taking it one day at a time and doing whatever it takes to help the team win, I'm sure he'd be all for it
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
And they could use Garza now and in a few years if they can sign him to a 4-5 year deal that buys out some arb
I don’t know how they feel about it, but Willingham seems like a bit of a spare part, but Norris is highly touted, I just saw that Sickles has done the Nats and he has Norris as the #2 guy behind only Bryce Harper. I’m probably over-shooting a bit, but I love this review:
2) Derek Norris, C, Grade B+: Could be another Mickey Tettleton or Gene Tenace, low batting average slugger with a high walk rate. I am more optimistic about his glove than some people.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Google it, really strong bat from the catcher position and there has been almost no talk of him having to move off the position like you see with so many other guys
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I looked at some stats real quick (I know, low minors and stats don't really mix)
If the scouting reports are great, I like this. Any idea how far away from the majors he is?
Should start in AA this year and if he continues to crush he could finish the year in AAA, would line up nicely to pull a Posey in 2012
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa390384&position=C/DH
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Very nice, especially if he can stick at the position.
Now I guess the question is if JB and Garza would even be enough if he’s so highly touted. Didn’t realize he was ranked the number two prospect though. How much more would you be willing to throw in to get that deal done?
It's number 2 for the Nats with not much star-power behind pushing him.
It would have to include an arm, though I wouldn’t do anything with our high-end spects. Garza and Bartlett is a pretty nice haul, maybe throw in Colome, though I’d hope for someone further down the sheet.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Unless they can get him for peanuts, I wouldn't be too interested in Glaus.
He looked good for parts of last year, but overall wasn’t impressive. What I like most is that he is RH and can play an acceptable 1B, but other than that it’s pretty hit or miss.
Keep in mind that he had 284 PA against righties last year and 128 against lefties, if he was used solely against lefties
(and a lot of those would include late-inning PHPA) then I think he would be fine, the point of this is to find guys that can fill a niche for nothing.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
If the Rays acquired him I would hope it was in a strictly platoon role.
I like the idea. Just not too impressed with Glaus overall. Like I said, if we could get him for peanuts, I’d like it.
Oh no doubt, don't get the impression that I think he solves all our woes, he's basically a 4 that we'd have to get a little drunk for, but nobody else is chasing her around so why not?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot Ekstrom, throw him in the pen somewhere as a Roogy and I think he'd be fine, though it would probably mean he's in competition with Cory Wade
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Basically, I have no idea what to do with the pen, with a ton of names out there and no idea what the budget for this sector looks like, I think it's fairly hard to predict.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
The rosternbating is so tough right now because we have probably 5 roster spots available with two potential trades and a ton of available players at the positions of need.
Love me some Willingham.
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Be gentle.
C Jaso
1B N. Johnson
2B Zobrist
3B Longo
SS Brignac
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH Thome
UTIL Rodriguez
1B/DH D. Johnson
IF E. Johnson
C Shoppach
SP Price
SP Shields
SP Niemann
SP Davis
SP Hellickson
CL Dotel
SU McGee
MR Rhodes
MR Wade
MR De La Rosa
LOOGY Swindle
LR Sonny
Given Dotel didn’t have the best year last year, he should be able to be signed for around $2 mil. If he can manage to walk fewer batters (as he has in the past) he could be pretty good. Also, if the Rays could get Arthur Rhodes for around 2 mil (his last contract), I’d take it. I know it’s going to be his age 41 season but he’s looked great recently. Feel free to shuffle around Thome and the Johnsons (D. & N.) as you please. It may not be the prettiest roster, but it’s under the $10 mil (or close to it) and has some potential.
There's a joke here about Arthur Rhodes going back before his 40s, but I can't make it.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
why do all these projections leave off Matt Garza?
This is not the time to trade him. A possible deadline deal is where he’d reap the most, and even that is not etched in stone
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Deadline deal returns are overrated.
Teams usually don’t panic.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Let's say non-Ned Colletti division.
Closest I can think of is Alderson for Sanchez, and that hasn’t turned out greatly for either.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
i think the Indians will do very well
on both the Lee and Sabathia deals in the end, better than MINN did trading Santana in the off season
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How do we establish that their return is better because they did so in July rather than January?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Beat me to the punch
It really cuts both ways. If you’re going to count on a Ned Coletti giving you a deal, you also have to count on a Ned Coletti being in contention come July.
I’d be interested to see a comparison over a larger sample.
by GomesSweetGomes on Dec 3, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Best trade of all time was forced on Spos and you know this
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The answer is probably somewhere in between. My guess is that if when shields/garza gets traded it happens like this:
1. Rays arrive to camp
2. All 6 potential starters arrive healthy
3. Another (potential contending) team is not so fortunate, and is willing to overpay to not start their season with a gaping hole in their rotation.
by GomesSweetGomes on Dec 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
And of course if step 2 doesn't come to fruition
Then we probably shouldn’t be trading either of them in the first place (Unless we are playing for 2012).
by GomesSweetGomes on Dec 3, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder about Niemann's condition.
Sliding him to the pen answers two questions.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
meh, if you don't get the sky then, then you're back in the same boat next off-season with a player with a lower trade value,
get what you can now
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I want to get Hellickson in the rotation now.
That means moving Garza or Shields. Out of those two, I’d rather move Garza.
we are thin in quantity at MLB pitching
let’s think outside the box and utilize our abundance of quality SP in other ways for a time
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"let’s think outside the box"
Yes, holding onto them or moving one to the pen is way out of the box. I’m comfortable with the starters they have, even without Garza. I could tolerate letting Sonny handle a start or two if need be.
My biggest issue is all the LH bats that don't play defense (either at all or well).
Nick and Dan Johnson and Thome are all kind of similar (especially the Johnsons). Sub Nick for Branyan/Konerko/Cust/etc., and it looks pretty good.
Branyan and Cust are the same as those other guys
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
My B.
I always think Branyan is RH for some reason. No idea how I missed on Cust. Welp, I’m an idiot. Ignore the names, but the idea is there.
You don't remember Branyan basically setting the course for 2010 Pena when he was chasing having more dingers than singles?
What was that like 2006 or 07, I saw enough then.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I remember it, but watching MLB.tv then wasn't what it is now.
It was almost worse than gametracker. For some reason I’ve always had him in myh ead as RH (maybe it’s the “Russ” or Dhazebaying).
I'm going to select Dhazebaying.
For my final answer
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
This
I remember watching a few games at the Trop where you knew it was either going to be flyball or strikeout, left a bad taste in my mouth.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
i found it amusing
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
by SRQman on Dec 3, 2010 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Branyan is at least serviceable playing 1B if needed
Cust should not be allowed near a glove
by Jason Collette on Dec 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Aiming for something different with the pen
C: John Jaso / Kelly Shoppach
1B: Ben Zobrist (v. LH)/Dan Johnson
2B: Sean Rodriguez/Ben Zobrist (v. RH)
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Joyce/Matt Diaz (1/$1M)
DH: Hideki Matsui (1/$3M) (has always been okay v. LH until this year, willing to bank on a bounce back)
BE: Kelly Shoppach (RH catcher)
BE: Dan Johnson (LH 1B)
BE: Sean Rodriguez (RH 2B)
BE: Matt Diaz (RH OF)
SP1: David Price
SP2: James Shields
SP3: Jeff Niemann
SP4: Wade Davis
SP5: Jeremy Hellickson
CL: Jon Rauch (1/$3.35M)
SU: Jake McGee
LH: Tim Byrdak (1/$750K)
MI: Fernando Cabrera (1/$750K)
MI: Wynn Pelzer (Rule 5, 1/$400K)
MI: Tyler Walker (1/$750K)
SP6/LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Thankfully there are lots of options.
I’m rather nervous with how the market is shaping up right now. It’s looking like teams are back to spending lots o’ money….that could work against the Rays with some players we’ve hoped for.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Who the fuck is Tyler Walker?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If it is the Tyler Walker I am thinking about
he pitched for Washington in 2010. In 2006 the Rays got him from SF where he had “established” himself as a closer by getting 23 saves the previous season. He saved 10 games for the Rays that year, most on the team. I think he got hurt early in the summer and was replaced as closer by Meadows or McClung or someone.
He actually did not pitch badly. Has he been non-tendered by Washington? I hadn’t noticed.
I'm pretty sure Brickhaus knows who he is, I believe the "Who the fuck is Tyler Walker?" was a meme. WTFITW?
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Wondering if there is a chance the Rays come to terms with JP after the Rule 5 draft on a high paid minor league deal
He’s out of options, and would be limited to rehab time in Durham on a major league deal. . A minor league deal gives greater flexibility to bring him along at their desired pace a la Benoit. People were awfully critical of Benoit starting the year in Durham with Ekstrom in the bigs. However Benoits health and results support the decision. Of course he may have bene fine anyhow, but I trust these guys.
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Unsure
Here’s eligiblity-
– were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years
Technically the Rays surrendered the rights to Howell, so 4 years may not apply. Not sure how its interpreted. Regardless, if he is ineligible he could be signed sooner. little difference.
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Looks like they have a Coll article. Care to summarize?
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Rec'd for likelihood. That's a great suggestions, and seems very plausible.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that’s the route the Rays and Howell went.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent line of thought
Take a week to work out the details and thus he’s not in the Rule V pool. Someone would take him and DL him if he were.
by Jason Collette on Dec 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I wanted to throw another name out there, how about Jermaine Dye as a RHDH that isn't allowed to touch the grass?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions
some interesting thoughts I'll add a name (maybe not as reasonable) but that hasn't been brought up
C- Jaso
1B- Zobrist
2B- Rodriguez
SS- Brignac
3B- Longoria
LF- Jennings
CF- Upton
RF- Joyce/Diaz
DH- Mark Reynolds
Bench
Shoppach
Diaz
Dan Johnson
Elliot Johnson
Rotation
Price
Hellickson
Shields
Niemann
Davis
Pen
Bell
Mcgee
Howell
Wade
Swindle
Pelzer
Sonnanstine
I think Garza gets moved in a 3 way deal that involves Reynolds making his way over to DH as well as backup Longoria/Zobrist. I’d imagine we would also get something else small back as far as a prospect or something (could be wrong not quite sure how the values stack up) I think we also find a way to make a move for a closer (Heath Bell) we have some nice pieces we can move (Cobb, Lobstein, Cruz) that one of which should get the job done. I don’t see us making a big splash in FA possible bring Matt Diaz back, a solid RH bat that could DH or play COF if need be. I think Leslie Anderson and Dan Johnson battle for the last roster spot and Dan Jo will win it most likely because of his experience.
Reynolds is way too good of a defender to waste away at DH.
He played SS at UVA, and he’s rated a little below average at 3B. Seems like an inefficient use of resources, but I like the player.
Not to mention the strikeouts.
I know they aren’t a massive deal, but the dude’s led the NL three years in a row. I want a little more contact, even if it means sacrificing pop.
Yeah, you could get Chris Davis for nothing if you were comfortable with a high power/high whiff guy
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
If you take their major league averages Reynolds has a 57 point advantage in OPS
not too mention Davis is awful against LHP. If we got him we would need a guy like Diaz or someone to platoon
No doubt, but in the scenario mentioned we're trading Garza for him
We could give Davis a tryout for a left-handed arm like Rollins
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
The Rays should really look at this.
If Davis can find his power again, he could be a very useful addition and likely can be had for next to nothing.
We know someone in the Rays FO likes him:
Was that a Bill Wiener, Jr. joke? He doesn't appreciate it.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I got it eventually, I was just trying to make a dick joke
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think the point of the article was moreso to outline the circumstances needed to achieve that goal
and to name a player with the skillset necessary.
lol
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Harf harf.
I’m not agreeing that Davis can hit 70 HR. I’m just saying I think that article was about the skillset, not the player.
yea I'd be interested in seeing the value for Reynolds
for all I know we could get him for a combination of Cruz and Colome. Than we can trade Garza for a group of pitching prospects to replenish the depth. What happens this off season I think will show if AF and Co think we can compete this year or if we will kind of throw in the towel. I think for us to compete we will need to add another impact bat like a Reynolds or cough cough Justin Upton. I don’t see a guy like Thome, Cust, or many of the other DH options people are throwing around putting us over the top to get us to 94+ wins unless the young guys (Brignac, Jennings, Joyce, Rodriguez) drastically improve.
I think you're severely undervaluing Reynolds.
I’m thinking it would likely take Garza plus maybe a C-/C position prospect.
No one is saying that.
What has been said that if you’re looking for a high power, high whiff player, Davis can be had for less. Obviously he’s not as good but you don’t need to give up nearly as much and his fielding won’t be wasted at DH. Reynolds as our DH isn’t a terrible idea, just wildly inefficient.
Rays payroll stands around 39 million now
if you count Bartlett as well as buyout of Wheeler’s and Aybar options. Zobrist contracts kicks in this year with a big pay raise. Garza’s and Upton’s both due decent raises which gets the payroll up to where the numbers I state. Not going to be easy finding a taker for Bartlett at around 5 1/2 million next year.
The Giants gave Tejada 6.5m and I'd argue Bartlett is the better all-around player right now
by Jason Collette on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
So find me a taker
Pirates? Ha they gpt screwed with Aki last year so I don’t see them spending even more money on another Rays player. Padres won’t spend the dough on Bartlett. Better off keeping JB and hope he returns to 2009 form (high unlikely). Might get a better return at the trade deadline with the thought some other team has an injury at SS. Forget about the idea of offering arbitration to Bart;lett next offseason if he stays the enire season as RFO won’t do that.
So find me someone who want him at 5 1/2 million
Good luck with that.
Cardinals, Padres, Orioles, Nationals, Pirates, Mariners, Athletics, a ton of other teams, he has more value to other teams than ours because we have a player that should be equally as good, though with a different skillset
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
from many accounts Bartlett has been one of the hottest names going around this off-season
it is nearly 100% that he will get dealt.
JETAH!!!!
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Everything rglass said.
Not to mention the longer we hold onto him, the less we’re going to get. We should’ve moved him a year ago, but since we didn’t we need to now before his value drops anymore.
No, just no. Bartlett's value is going down faster than (insert your mother joke)
Not only would you be failing to capitalize while he still has any value, but you retard the growth of Brignac while burning his service time. Get Bartlett off my team, I don’t care if he brings back a reliever or whatever. There are plenty of teams willing to acquire him with the dearth of talent out there and the fact that he does a lot of the little things that so many GMs like.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
We need the millions we’d be paying Bartlett every bit as much as we need what we’d get for him in return. We trade Matt Garza if we get the right pieces. We trade Bartlett because he’s expendable and expensive.
by GomesSweetGomes on Dec 3, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Not oing to easy trading Bartlett for value as some of you think
Still won’t mind having him around one more season if RFO doesn’t like his market value.
ruh-tard, not re-tard
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nice to log on to the site and catch a glimpse of the Topkin Chins
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "To be the best, you have to beat the best…"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Dec 3, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Love it or leave it
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
R/A!
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Topkin is in love in that picture
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Welp.
C John Jaso
1B Dan Johnson
2B Ben Zobrist
3B Evan Longoria
SS Reid Brignac
LF Desmond Jennings
CF B.J. Upton
RF Matt Joyce
DH Jack Cust / Jim Thome
UTIL Sean Rodriguez
1B/DH Jack Cust
OF Fred Lewis
C Kelley Shoppach
SP David Price
SP James Shields
SP Jeff Niemann
SP Wade Davis
SP Jeremy Hellickson
CL Bobby Jenks
SU Jake McGee
MR Zach Miner
MR Wynn Pelzer
MR Todd Coffey
LOOGY Swindle
LR Andy Sonnanstine
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Should be pretty cheap.
He’s 30 and rebounding from a foot injury. Although he can be a bit of a butcher in the field.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Although, he's a lefty.
So I take it he would spare Deezy/Beej, not Joyce?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 3, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Homer pick.
Thome was my favorite player before we had a team.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
It should be Cust OR Thome.
Didn’t catch that.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
EF's all-time favorite player team:
C: Todd Hundley
1B: Thome
2B: Bret Boone
3B: Matt Williams
SS: John Valentin
LF: Larry Walker
CF: Jim Edmonds
RF: Jay Buhner
DH: Paul Molitor
I hear they bring their lunch pails.
John Valentin, SS, is just awesome
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
John Valentin, lover of women
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Missing an awful lot of Oil Can Boyd on that list.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh. I HATED Jay Buhner.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Real talk:
I found a stray kitten at Fun-Lan Drive In and adopted it when I was a kid. It had a black spot on it’s chin. It was dubbed Buhner.
You traded Jay Buhner FOR KEN PHELPS!!!!?!?!
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Since it was a stray it was probably as ugly as Jay.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't been in 10 years, but I also haven't lived in Tampa for 7 of those.
I used to love that place as a kid.
I'm not familiar with it.
It’s similar to the Fun Center on Treasure Island, I imagine.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not.
It’s just a drive-in/flea market on Hillsborough Ave. It’s been around for at least thirty or forty years.
Longer I think.
From the website:
The Fun-Lan Drive In Theatre opened January 10, 1950. Admission price as 48 cents to see “I was a Male War Bride”, starring Ann Sheridan and Cary Grant. The theatre was opened by Carl Floyd and Pete Sones. The single screen theatre had 700 speakers. A bag of popcorn or a small drink sold for 10 cents and hot dogs were 20 cents.
Fun Center on TI is the mini-golf course, right
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
No. The FC is just like Chucky Cheese but smaller.
It used to be where the new Publix is.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, bring food with you and watch 2 or 3 movies for like $5 a head.
Great times. Great dhazebay spot too.
I had an awesome time the one night I was able to get over to the drive-in this year
Split a bottle of wine and plenty of others
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
EF's all-time favorite player team:
C: Sandy Alomar Jr.
1B: Fred McGriff
2B: Miguel Cairo
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Omar Vizquel
LF: Carl Crawford
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Dave Martinez
DH: Jim Thome
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Did you and Miggy have a catch?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I did have a pitching lesson with Roy Halladay when I was in little league.
True story.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
This is a nice idea so I'll post mine
C: Jim Leyritz
1B: Bagpipes
2B: Brian Roberts
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Jack Wilson
LF: Carl Crawford
CF: B. J. Upton
RF: Paul O’Neill
DH: Edgar
LHP: SKazmir
RHP: David Cone
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I hate you so much.
Paul O’Neill? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!
He’s like my least favorite player ever.
When I was a Yankee fan I would watch every AB, the guy was probably my favorite player ever for most of my childhood
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I only support winners, if you ain't that, you ain't shat
I’m a douchebag because if we agree on too many things then the world will end. It’s like the harmonic effect on a suspension bridge. We have to agree just enough that when we come together on something people are blown away. You do enough blowing people that you don’t need my help all that much.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
He was just such an asshole.
He constantly berated officials, had the douchiest looks, was incredibly overrated, etc. God I hated him. You would hate him so much now if he was still playing.
If he was on the Rays I would love him, physically.
I’ve always been drawn to the guys that you hate to play, but love on your team, maybe because I’ve got a bit of that in my blood.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Like AJ, I'd love to hit him with a bus, but if he played for us, I'd probably find him pretty endearing
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Uhh, I don't do heroin
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and cocaine
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I loved O'Neill too.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Such passion, great arm, always seemed to get the clutch hit, back then I was blown away by his 120+ rbi seasons, less shocked now
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, same reasons here...the passion was awesome.
As a kid, I found it sweet…totally made it fun to watch. And you could see how much he cared.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
C'mon. From a player evaluation perspective, obviously that's horrible.
But from a fan perspective – especially for young kids – grit / emotion is pretty awesome. You just have to be able to separate the two once you grow up.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well said
Santa isn’t real, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t buy presents for your loved ones.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Topkin.
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I wish, I'd do his job for 25K
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
You : O'Neil :: Topkin : Bartlett
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
If it gets me his job I will knobslob all over gritty veterans
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
To be able to give up all this and get paid to do what I love I would do it
You have to give a little to get a lot. I could write knobslob articles while getting the occasional enlightenment piece through.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Baines?
What about Steady Eddie?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I have fond memories of Harold Baines in White Sox gear.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Never got to watch himm uch.
Until the Rays came along I watched the Braves about every night and went to 5-10 O’s games a year.
I was raised an O's fan...
so I had more of an appreciation of the older O’s
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he was just a bit before my time.
I saw hima a lot just not enough when he was great and not enough to appreciate. I mean I remember him being better than Baines, but I loved watching him run. It was close.
I thought Frank Thomas hit the warehouse in that derby?
Both of them were bonkers with all that juice up in them
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, really?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Miner addition, I almost had him
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Danny Glover is the president in 2012?
White, male presidents in movies are going extinct faster than the suicide lemming
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Here is mine...
C: John Jaso
1B: Hank Blalock (1/1m)
2B: Ben Zobrist
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Joyce /
DH: Ty Wigginton (2/5)
BE: Leslie Anderson
BE: Fernando Perez
BE: Sean Rodriguez
BE: Kelly Shoppach
SP1: David Price
SP2: Matt Garza
SP3: Wade Davis
SP4: James Shields
SP5: Jeff Niemann
CL: J.J. Putz (2yr/ 8)
SU: Jake McGee
MI: Bobby Seay (2/4.5)
MI: Cory Wade
MI: R.J. Swindle (LOOGY)
LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions
Blalock and Wiggy?
Yuck.
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Wiggy would be a bargain deal
He will give you a back up glove if needed and a good bat.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
like who?
I looked through the Free agent list… some guys were interesting but no one jumped out.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Just in this post we've seen
DLee, Glaus, Hawpe, Manny, Cust, Thome, and a million other names bandied about. I’d rather your mother bat than Blalock
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
And she's always stepping in the bucket thanks to those loose flipflaps
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah we haven't even mention Magglio, all these guys have to go somewhere, unemployment benefits won't be extended much longer
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Blalock should die now so that his family doesn't have to pay estate tax
BLALOCK YOU’RE ON NOTICE YOU HAVE LESS THAN A MONTH TO LIVE
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
LOL at Blalock
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
What?
Blalock wasn’t bad. he had no spot. I would rather have blalock any day of the week over Johnson.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
He was bad.
He didn’t even get picked up after we cut him (I think).
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
No he didn't.
But, he wasn’t looking for a minor league deal. Most teams were looking to put you in the minors for a small time then bring you up.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
"Blalock wasn't bad"
By what measure? He was awful, if we’re talking about the guy that was on the Rays in 2010.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
What do you want.
The limited playing time. He even played right field for all-sake… With the other names floating out there, I feel that Blalock would be a pleasant surprise.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
With all of the other names out there, Blalock shouldn't even be allowed to live
Someone needs to take him off the feeding tube and quit wasting my tax dollars
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
.
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
69 PAs compared to ...
480 PAs this year for Fred Lewis…
425 PAs this year for Jack Cust…
Hardly fair
All I am saying. Is he can be a bargain.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
When you're that bad and can't play a position you don't get more than 69
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't even better in 09 when he had 495 PAs.
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
He looked bad out there. I think there's a reason the Rays cut him so quickly.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Blalock esta muerto.
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby Seay just had surgery
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
so I haven't seen his name brought up anywhere
am I to assume the ship has sailed on dreams of Justin Upton? We have the pieces to make the deal but I doubt AF pulls the trigger.
never say never
it can be done…and if the Rays believe in his high ceiling, Friedman would never hesitate to make a bold move.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Alright gents, let's see what you think of this
C: Jaso
1B: Derrek Lee (1/3.5 with club option and .5 buyout)
2B: Zobrist
SS: Brignac
3B: Longo
LF: Jennings
CF: Upton
RF: Joyce
DH: Man-Ram (1/3.5 with 3-5 mil in incentives)
UTIL: S-Rod
OF: Diaz (1/1)
1B/3B: DanJo
C: Shitpach
SP: Price
SP: Shields
SP: Niemann
SP: Davis
SP: Hellickson
CL: Jenks (1yr, 4mil)
SU: McGee
SU: Robinson Tejeda (arb 1.5mil)
RP: Qualls (1yr, 1mil)
RP: Wheeler (1yr, 1mil)
Loogy: Swindle
Long-man: Sonny
This total comes out to 15.5 mil…but Rays can find flexibility for the right deal, and have cash they are not spending in Bartlett and Garza. Don’t know what we’d trade for Tejeda, but he’d be the kind of player Friedman is looking for.
Lee and Manny make us very right heavy with the loss of CC and Pena, but both have solid splits vs lefties for their career, and in the last 3 years.
Lineup:
C: Jaso
2B: Zobrist
DH: Man-Ram
3B: Longo
1B: Lee
CF: Upton
RF: Joyce
SS: Briggy
LF: Jennings
That’s a damn good lineup. And it’s do-able.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions
Man Ram and Lee would be great for the 2 games that we have them for
before injuries…
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
heh, true maybe for Manny
but the only reason why they are available this cheap is age and durability concerns (and perhaps performance).
But Lee?
Lee’s played in 140 or more games for 10 of the last 11 seasons, including last year. He’s a gamer who plays through injuries, like with last year’s thumb injury. And take a look at his post All-Star stats. He’s an excellent buy-low player if available at that price.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I like him and would plug him in at 1B/DH
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Of all the players available in the 3-6 mil price range, I actually think Lee is the one I want the most
The only worry is he’s an NL lifer.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
if Manny is healthy and motivated I can see that
Maggs, if there isn’t that much interest, should be available at that price. Konerko most likely is too expensive, isn’t he?
But it just seems I’ve seen more reports of teams interested in Maggs and other players, while Manny no one wants to touch, and Lee—I haven’t heard anything. Even Berkman is getting early bites. But Lee? Not a peep. I smell a bargain.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
And Master P was a NL Soldier that played some D-League, anything is possible
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well done.
Sign lady must die.
Follow me on Twitter @Josh_Frank
by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
How much was Lee getting paid per year on his old contract?
Either I read it wrong or there’s no chance at getting him that cheap. If he can be signed for that, I’ll take it. Take N. Johnson off my roster and add Lee.
I'm not sure it's realistic to think he's going to take a 10mil paycut.
I was thinking he was more in the 5-6 range.
Depends on the supply/demand
With Pena, Konerko, Overbay, Berkman, etc, it all depends who gets who first. Someone is going to end up with the short end of the stick.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
White Sox, Dunn, 4/56 sounds about right
He’s going to mash there, but it’s a ton of dollars
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
he actually got near the 4/60 he was looking for
good for him. He’s lucky Williams has money to spend.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
still a solid 1B
Doesn’t have to be a DH for us.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
By the way the rumors have gone
Lyle Overbay has a problem this off-season
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 3, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my slightly lazy version
C Jaso
1B D. Lee
2B S-Rod
3B Longo
SS Brignac
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH Johnson
Bench Diaz
Bench Zobrist
Bench Helliot
Bench Shoppach
SP Price
SP Shields
SP Niemann
SP Davis
SP Hellickson
RP Putz/Jenks
RP McGee
RP Wade
RP De La Rosa
RP Wheeler
RP Swindle
RP Sonny
PIZZA?!?
Very minimalist.
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
That's the De La Rosa from Durham, right?
A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum
If this year turns out to be a success, Friedman deserves to be the AL Executive of the Year
especially the way the media is portraying the Doomsday approach in losing CC, Pena, Soriano, Benoit, Balfour…and if we trade Bartlett and/or Garza.
It’ll be nice for Friedman to tell them to suck it again as they ruin their Stanks/Red Sux hard-on.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 3, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions
So the general consensus around here is that Garza will be traded before the season starts?
Personally, I don’t see that happening until we get near to the trade deadline during the season. Stalling Hellickson’s service time in Durham, and covering for SP injury seems the more likely course, in respect to a Garza trade.
This because i dont think a pitcher will be traded before we start the season. I'm not very knowledgeable on salaries so im guessing on Dye and Aybar
1.) C Jaso
2.) 2B Zobrist
3.) 3B Longo
4.) 1B D Johnson
5.) DH Jermaine Dye 1/ 5 million??
6.) RF Joyce
7.) CF Upton
8.) SS Brignac
9.) LF Jennings
Bench Perez
Bench Aybar 1/ 2 million?
Bench S-rod
Bench Shoppach
SP Price
SP Garza
SP Niemann
SP Davis
SP Hellickson
RP Jenks 1/ 3 million?
RP McGee
RP Wade
RP Qualls
RP Howell
RP Swindle
RP Sheilds
I imagine Dye would come cheaper than that, especially given he didn't play last year.
Also, Aybay might be cheaper than that too, but I’d rather not see him at all.
As much as I love Dan Johnson, I think Joyce might be better hitting behind Longo. Joyce is just younger and faster, and has a bigger track record of success.
Also: Shields in the pen? No thanks. I’d rather see Big Nyquil there.
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A pinch hitter who's been out of the league for a year?
Nah, there’s too much free talent like his floating around.
A DRaysBay writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum
Giving it the old college try...
C – John Jaso
1B – Nick Johnson (1/$4)
2B – Sean Rodriguez
SS – Reid Brignac
3B – Evan Longoria
LF – Matt Joyce
CF – Desmond Jennings
RF – BJ Upton
DH – Dan Johnson
Superutility – Ben Zobrist
BIF – Khalil Greene (wins job as NRI, beats out Elliott Johnson)
BOF – Lastings Milledge (1/$1, plus would still be under team control for a couple years, but at worst he can hit lefties and sort of play defense)
BC – Kelly Shoppach
SP1 – David Price
SP2 – James Shields
SP3 – Matt Garza
SP4 – Jeremy Hellickson
SP5 – Wade Davis
RP – Dane de la Rosa
RP – Jake McGee
RP – Yhency Brazoban (NRI, seems to have made a full recovery in Mexico last year)
RP – Aneury Rodriguez
RP – Will Ohman (1/$1)
SU – Ernesto Frieri
CL – Koji Uehara (2/$7) (underpay a bit this year, but very high risk with the second year is why he ends up here)
Injured – JP Howell
Package Jeff Niemann and Jason Bartlett to the Padres for Ernesto Frieri, Kyle Blanks (who I think will rebound and could step in as the long-term 1B in 2012 and beyond) and a C+ prospect. Hang onto Garza for now, simply because we don’t get the best offers for him.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Whoops
Forgot about Sonny – Replace whichever reliever you desire with him. Probably Aneury.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
A couple of people have mentioned Nick Johnson, a player I have always liked.
But can the Rays take the chance that he does not get injured? Even as a DH, he is very fragile. In 9 seasons, he has played in more than 100 games 4 times, and in the last 3 years he has done it once-in 2009. In 2008 he managed 38 games and 148 PAs. Then 133 and 574 PAs in 2009 and just 24 games and 98 PAs last year.
That would be nice. But I don't think it's realistic.
If the Rays were able to sign two of them they would be fortunate I think. I keep seeing Lee mentioned too and would like him for his RH bat but I’m unsure if he is in their price range. He’s obviously in line for a pay decrease but he made somewhere around $13 mil last year.
Also D-Lee has always had the rep.
as a team leader, a stand out human being, he is a high average hitter (very important aspect IMHO), has a great defensive reputation, and shit him and Chris Young brawled a few years ago, maybe he can bring back some brawlfense back to TB?
Are you concerned about the high mortality rate of your players?
by Ryan Gilliss
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I love that trade idea, sitting on Blanks for 3/4 of a season would be well worth it to have him in the fold for 5ish years going forward
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 4, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Let's see
Lineup/ Starters
C John Jaso
2B/RF Ben Zobrist
1B Paul Konerko (the guy we spend actual money on)
3B Evan Longoria
RF Matt Joyce vs RHP
CF B.J Upton
DH Dan Johnson
SS Reid Brignac
LF Desmond Jennings (who hopefully will play his way into the leadoff spot)
Bench
Super Sub vs LHP, occasional RHP: Sean Rodriguez
C vs LHP: Kelly Shoppach (Sucks he gets paid while so many others are let go to save money….)
OF Fred Lewis ( I loved this idea)
DH Jim Thome vs RHP
SP 1 David Price
SP 2 Matt Garza
SP 3 James Shields
SP 4 Wade Davis
SP 5 Jeremy Hellickson
CL Jeff Niemann
SU Grant Balfour (when he finds out the hard way that his Type A lacks offers, he will return)
MR Taylor Buccholz
MR Jake McGee
MR Cory Wade
LR: Andy Sonnanstine
Loogy: R.J Swindle
Injured: J.P Howell
Swindle will probably go back to the pen when JP is back, we will have McGee and Howell from the left side
Trading Bartlett will give us Konerko money
We aren’t trading a SP and I really like Niemann for the 9th
Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?
Swindle will go back to the minors*
Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?
No CC or Sori?
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by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
I decided not to include my pipe dreams
I haven’t heard much interest in Sori from other teams but either way, Boras
Price, Garza, Shields, Davis, Hellickson is too awesome, Niemann for closer?
Why do you have a platoon of 2 lefty DH's?
I don’t think Dan Johnson is helpless against lefties, but it doesn’t seem like an optimum platoon.
My List
Lineup against RH:
Jaso C
Zobrist 2B
Longo 3B
Cust DH
Joyce RF
D. Johnson 1B
Upton CF
L. Anderson LF
Brignac SS
Bench:
Shoppach C
E. Johnson UT
Thames DH
S. Rod 2B
Lineup against LH:
Upton CF
Zobrist 1B
Longo 3B
Thames DH
S Rod LF
Joyce RF
Shoppach C
E. Johnson 2B
Brignac SS
Bench:
Jaso C
L. Anderson OF
Cust DH
D. Johnson IF
Starters:
Price
Shields
Garza
Davis
Hellickson
Bullpen:
Jenks CL
McGee
Niemann
Wade
B. Chen Lefty Spec.
Eckstrom
Sonny
Notes: Joyce gets to play almost full time in RF, L. Anderson starts most in LF and
maybe almost full time if he can handle the bat against both handed pitchers. Jennings
comes up after more seasoning and takes the place of either Thames, Anderson or whoever is not producing or Upton if he is traded. Zobrist plays every day and Elliot is
the super utility, good balance with both lineups for average and power (maybe not as
high an average as hoped). Jenks is the Closer and Chen holds down the lefty role until
JP is healthy and back from the DL. I like Niemann in the pen and don’t think we trade a
starter at all since this group should be fighting for a playoff spot the whole season.
SC raysfan
You have to admit though his stuff would be murder on opposing hitters late in the ballgame
I’m sure other teams would dread facing him. I’ve been open to this idea since the end of the 2008 season. If Rays want to delay Hellickson’s arbitration clock I would be for Sonnanstine in the rotation for four months and Niemann in the bullpen.
Not enough D. Jennings!
I like Leslie Anderson and all, but would much rather see Jennings get his game on.
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Anderson needs to show me better plate discipline before he gets a chance
Ever since Anderson got called up to Durham he hasn’t exactly been the smartest hitter. Somebody needs to get in his head that a walk is as a hit in most cases especially if you don’t have much power.
It's about 80% as good as a hit
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS!!
Leslie Anderson actually got a BB tonight in Puerto Rico. I’ve been waiting a month for that to happen. Went 2 for 3 double 3 RBI’s. SF.
Dont be gentle...be rough
Bartlett traded to PIT for RP Meek, Garza involved in a 3 way trade netting 1B Alonso and RP Massett with prospects from the Mets going to CIN
C John Jaso
1B Alonso
2B Zobrist
SS Brignac
3B Longoria
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH Ramirez (1/5 with incentives)
C Shoppach
INF/OF Rodriguez
INF/OF Helliot
OF Diaz (1/1.5)
1. Price
2. Shields
3. Niemann
4. Davis
5. Hellickson
CL Jenks (2/10)
SU Meek
SU Howell/Swindle till Howell returns
RP Massett
RP McGee
RP Wade
LRP Sonnanstine
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 3, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Is that Yonder Alanso?
Also, I don’t see Jenks wanting a 2 yr contact. He would probably prefer a 1 yr situation so he can get a Benoit/Soriano style bounce-back.
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count on it.
C – Jaso
1b – Zobrist/Johnson
2b – Rodriguez/Zobrist
3b Longoria
ss – Brignac
RF – Joyce/Thames
Cf – Upton
Lf – Jennings
dh – Wigginton (1 yr 4.5 mill)
Bench:
1. Thames ( 2 yr 4 mil, 1.5/2.5)
2. Shoppach
3. Perez
4. E. Johnson
5. Ruggiano (to start year, is demoted after a few weeks to add BP arm)
SP:
1. Price
2. Garza
3. Shields
4. Niemann
5. Davis
RP:
CL: Putz (1 yr, 4 mill, high salary as relief market becomes inflated)
SU: Mcgee
P: Swindle
P: Sonny
P: De la Rosa
Helickson called up after a month to replace Ruggiano, who is either released or sent to Durham, Howell up after all-start break, Niemann moves to pen after one month when putz’s arm explodes.
All of it except Wigginton.
We can find better for cheaper, even internally.
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shoot, that was a mistake
I was looking through available FA and recognized Wigginton, but in my head I was thinking it was Aubrey Huff. He was a free agent, but he’s signed for 22 mil over just two years with SF.
In that case, we’ll grab a platoon of Bill Hall against Righties and Matt Diaz against the Lefties. Put Ruggiano back in the minors.
New roster:
C – Jaso
1b – Zobrist/Johnson
2b – Rodriguez/Zobrist
3b Longoria
ss – Brignac
RF – Joyce/Thames
Cf – Upton
Lf – Jennings
dh – B. Hall (2 yr 8 mill)
Bench:
1. Thames ( 2 yr 4 mil, 1.5/2.5)
2. Shoppach
3. Perez
4. E. Johnson
5. Diaz (1 yr 1.5 mill)
SP:
1. Price
2. Garza
3. Shields
4. Niemann
5. Davis
RP:
CL: Putz (1 yr, 4 mill, high salary as relief market becomes inflated)
SU: Mcgee
P: Swindle
P: Sonny
P: De la Rosa
I'm really surprised people aren't all over Lastings Milledge as the lefty killer OF bat
He’s cheaper than Thames and the others, and he has years of team control left.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I like Milledge
But not necessarily enough to sign to a ML deal.
A short blurb about him is up on TPR
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Dec 4, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Milledge has no power
Rather see Upton, Zobrist and Jennings in the OF vs lefty pitching.
C – Jaso
1B – Butler* $470K Arb at end of 2011 -$4M in 2012) / Zobrist
2B – Zobrist/ Rodriguez
SS – Brignac
3B – Longoria
LF – Willingham**($4.5M)
CF – BJ Upton
RF – Matt Joyce
DH – Thome***($2.5M)
Bench
C- Zaun ****($1M)or Ashley
UT/OF Rodriguez
OF Jennings
OF – Diaz ($2,5M)
(Thome when not starting against LHP)
Starters:
SP1 – Price
SP2 – Shields
SP3 – Niemann
SP4 – Hellickson
SP5 – Davis
Bullpen:
CL – Bell ****($5M)
RP – Rauch ($3M)
RP – Balfour ($3M)
RP – McGee
RP – Wade
RP –Swindle
RP – Eckstrom
Injured – (JP Howell-minor league contract to rehab-Replaces Swindle or Eckstom)
*Billy Butler – trade Alex Cobb / Dan Johnson / Kelly Shoppach
- Josh Willingham – trade Bartlett / Sonnanstine
***Jim Thome sign for (1YR $2,5M)- Zaun sign (1YR $1M)
*****Heath Bell -trade Matt Garza
******Matt Diaz – (! YR $2,5M)
- Zaun sign (1YR $1M)
I don't know why, but I have the impression that Willingham is a FA.
Also, the package for Butler may not be near enough. Johnson and Shoppach are both on the wrong side of 30. Still, I’d love me some Butler.
And, I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but your budget is closer $20M, not $10M.
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Cross off two more possible trade partners for Bartlett
Padres are unloading and Pirates signed Cedeno. Sounds like JB stays a Ray for the time being. Depth at midle IF is a very good thing for the Rays.
I want to puke everywhere
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions
Sooner or later ths was going to happen
This has been in the works for a year now. Once V-Mart left and the Red Sox had to deal with Boras for Beltre’s services I knew this would be the end result.. Padres got a decent return.
my awesome roster
C Upton
1B Brignac
2B Joyce
SS Man-Ram
3B Jennings
LF Zobrist
CF Jaso
RF Zaun
DH Longoria
C Travis Lee
INF/OF Rodriguez
INF/OF Helliot
OF Nando
1. Bobby Jenks
2. Howell
3. Sonny
4. Wheeler
5. Balfour
CL Price
SU Greg Jennings
SU Davis
RP Niemann
RP Garza
RP Hellickson
LRP Yields
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
obviously greg jennings = shouse
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by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Billy Butler
In addition to DanJO, Shoppach and Cobb I originaly has Aneury Rodguez in the package.
Willingham is a free agent in 2012, earning $4.6 this year. Heath Bell is also a free agent in 2012, earning $4M this year.
Jon Rauch is a free agent and earned $2.9 this year.
I think the budget would still be close to $50m for 2011.
Think Big
C: John Jaso / Kelly Shoppach
1B: Dan Johnson
2B: Ben Zobrist / Sean Rodriguez
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Joyce / Ben Zobrist
DH: Prince Fielder ($16M – $6M paid by MIL)
BE: Matt Diaz (1/$1M, platoon DH, backup OF)
BE: Elliot Johnson
BE: Sean Rodriguez (platoon 2B/SS/OF)
BE: Kelly Shoppach (platoon C)
SP1: David Price
SP2: James Shields
SP3: Wade Davis
SP4: Jeff Niemann
SP5: Jeremy Hellickson
CL: Bobby Jenks (1 yr/$3.5M)
SU: Jake McGee (fire man)
MI: J.P. Howell (when healthy; 2 yr/$1M) / Joe Bateman otherwise
MI: Cory Wade
MI: Alfredo Aceves (1/$500K)
MI: R.J. Swindle (LOOGY)
SP7/LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Total 2011 FA Budget: $16M (Garza and Bartlett dealt for prospects)
How do we get Fielder in your dream world?
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by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
I'm guessing Garza plus low prospects?
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He answered per the tweet of twitter
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@SRQman89 Either Garza-plus, or pitching prospects acquired by trading Garza (plus one of their own).
I don’t see it happening but I’m down since we got soooo many pitchers and we need hitting.
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by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
He'd be perfect
Hits both sides, huge power, durable, only 1-year commitment, comp picks if they contend, flip him in June/July for more prospects if not. A Matt Holliday A’s move, just hopefully without CarGo-type sacrifice.
If you’re MIL, why would you say no to Garza-plus?
2011 roster
RH LINE-UP
Upton Cf
Jaso C
Longoria 3rd
Billy Butler 1st,,(trade Wade Davis and Tim Beckham)
Thames DH (1.5 million)
Zobrist RF
Matt Diaz LF (1.5 million)
Rodriquez 2nd
Brignac SS
Bench
Dan Johnson
Jerry Hairston(1.5 million)
Shoppach
Matt Joyce
LH LINE-UP
Upton CF
Zobrist RF
Longoria 3rd
Butler 1st
Johnson DH
Joyce LF
Rodriquez 2nd
Brignac SS
Shoppach C
Bench
Jerry Hairston
Jaso
Diaz
Thames
Starters
Price
Garza
Hellickson
Neimann
Shields
Pen
R Jenks (5 million)
R Joel Peralta(2.5 million)
L Billy Bray(trade Bartlett to Reds)
R Cory Wade
L McGee
R Wheeler
R Eckstrom
L Howell (when healthy)
At deadline trade Shields or Garza and Upton for prospects and bring up Moore and Jennings
I will give it a try.
1. Sign Balfour for $4 million plus option of $6 million in 2012 or buyout. Make him the closer. (I say that both as an incentive to Balfour to sign and because the Rays seem to want someone to be in that role.)
Reasoning: Balfour may find he cannot get the multi-year big deal when he is an “A” free agent and has no closer cred yet. This gives him the chance to build his closer resume and either get a bigger payday or become a free agent with more allure to other teams. Rays get a closer for a reasonable sum and can keep him for another year for still reasonable money but avoid having to over commit.
2. Three way deal: Send Garza and Sean Rodriguez (this hurts) to Milwaukee. Brewers send Weeks to the Reds (to play outfield). Reds send Yonder Alonso* ($.6million) and Nick Masset ($1.54 milliion) to Rays. Brewers send Manny Parra (arb 1 on $.44 million) to Rays.
Reasoning: Will Reds and Brewers deal with each other? Weeks gives Reds a potential all-star outfielder with power and speed. Rodriguez improves infield defense for Brewers and of course they need starting pitchers. Alonso has no spot on Reds. Rays get major league ready 1B and 2 relievers. Parra, in admittedly small sample, has pitched well in relief and can also be a 6th starter if Sonnanstine is included in any deal. He strikes out better than a man an inning and in relief his BB rate is pretty good.
3. Trade Bartlett and Sonnanstine to Pirates for Meek ($.413 million)
Reasoning: I don’t think Bartlett alone gets Meek.
4. Sign Marcus Thames (1 year, $1.2 million) as fourth outfielder.
Reasoning: It is a small raise over last year and he hits for power and hits lefties.
5. Sign Andruw Jones (1 year, $1 million)
Reasoning: It doubles his 2010 salary. He can still hit lefties and retains some power. Can also manage the corners.
6. Sign George Sherrill for $2 million
Reasoning: He has been great vs. lefties. I think it is too much for a loogy, but he made $4.5 million last year and probably will cost more than most loogies. Our bullpen is not expensive so we can afford it.
7. Sign Thome (1 year, $7 million)
Reasoning: The man can hit. We finally get a real DH.
Team
C: Jaso/Shoppach
1B: Alonso
2B: Zobrist
3B: Longoria
SS: Brignac
LF: Jennings
CF: Upton
RF: Joyce
DH: Thome/A. Jones
Bench: E. Johnson (IF/OF); Thames (OF); D. Johnson (IF)
Starting Pitchers
Price
Shields
Davis
Niemann
Hellickson
Relievers
CL: Balfour
SU: Meek (backup closer)
Parra (flexible roles and as 6th starter)
Masset
Sherrill (loogy)
Mcgee
As much as I like him,I am pessimistic about Howell; shoulders are serious.
Lineup vs. RH
Jaso
Zobrist
Longoria
Thome
Alonso
Upton
Joyce
Jennings
Brignac
Lineup vs. LH
Upton
Zobrist
Longoria
Jones
Joyce (or Thames)
Alonso
Jennings
Shoppach
Brignac
*Sickels on Alonso:
“At this point I do not see him as a future superstar, but I do think he will have a long and productive career once he gets a full opportunity”
Well, now you know why I have never posted on this sort of thread.
I like it all except Thames and Sherrill.
I see no point in paying that much for minor role players. I think a full cost-benefit analysis makes the internal options look much better (Rugs and Swindle).
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I am not sure about Sherrill either.
He has been good vs. lefties, but I doubt he can be gotten for less than $2 million so it might make more sense to go another way. Maybe Swindle or Byrdak or someone of that ilk. I may be seduced by the established reliever label on Sherrill.
But I do think Thames is worth something in the low $1 million range, especially if the Rays do not acquire a really big RH bat. I don’t think Ruggiano is as likely to contribute as Thames will. Maybe Diaz would be a legitimate alternative, but I don’t know how much cheaper he would be or if he would produce better.
There is always risk. Alonso may be just another Overbay which is ok, but perhaps selling low on Garza and S. Rodriguez. Andruw Jones is certainly no sure thing. Maybe the Rays could get Bray or Maloney instead of Masset so they could look for a RH reliever instead of paying a premium for a loogy.
I am also concerned that Elliott Johnson cannot succeed at the major league level, and giving up Sean Rodriguez (whom I really like) could create a depth problem. E. Johnson doesn’t really walk much and does strike out quite a bit. He may simply be a good minor leaguer.
In any case, there are infinite possibilities and combinations. What about a Cust/Diaz DH? Probably more likely for the Rays than Thome/Jones, and almost certainly less expensive. What about a Garza and package deal to the Brewers for Fielder/Parra (I think Parra can contribute) and cash? Say Garza and two minor league pitchers? (not Moore)
Sherrill has a career FIP of 5.00ish vs righties.
Do not want.
Also, I would love me some Cust/Diaz DHness. I worry though, especially given his age, how well Diaz would fair in the ALE on such limited play. Maybe Scott Hairston — whose career v Lefties has not been as prolific — might be a safer bet because he can at least play a serviceable outfield.
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Dream team
C. Russell martin (2/7$)
1B. Paul Konerko (2/17$)
2B. Sean Rodriguez
SS. Reid Brigniac
3B Evan Longoria
LF. Desmond Jennings
CF. B.J. Upton
RF. Jusin Upton
Bench: wont need one they will be too good to take a break
SP. David Price
SP. Matt Garza
SP. Jeff Nieman
SP. Wade Davis
Sp. Jeremy Hellickson
Closer. Mcgee
and the rest old relivers on one year deals.
Got rid of Small game james and jason barlett and a prospect for Arizona. BJ will pick up his game to outplay his brother.
World Series
These are all awesome.
I think we’ll have to do a retrospective in a couple months, much like Mulva did with the Improbably Predictions thread. Someone help me remember.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 5, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions
It's all part of my master plan.
MUAHAHAHA!!!
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Wish we could keep Garza. Assuming we don't...
C: John Jaso
1B: Dan Johnson
2B: Sean Rodriguez (platoon)
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Reid Brignac (platoon)
LF: Desmond Jennings
CF: B.J. Upton
RF: Matt Diaz
DH: Jack Cust
BE: Ben Zobrist (platoon)
BE: Matt Joyce
BE: Fernando Perez
BE: Jose Lobaton (may need to learn infield)
BE: Kelly Shoppach
SP1: David Price
SP2: James Shields
SP3: Wade Davis
SP4: Jeff Niemann
SP5: Jeremy Hellickson
CL: Kevin Gregg (or Heath Bell in Bartlett trade)
SU: Jake McGee
MI: Joel Peralta
MI: Matt Albers
LOOGY: R.J. Swindle
LM: Andy Sonnanstine
Edit: Cash
RF: Matt Diaz – 1.5 mil
DH: Jack Cust – 2.25 mil
CL: Kevin Gregg (or Heath Bell) – 4 mil
MI: Joel Peralta – 1.25 mil
MI: Matt Albers – 1 mil
Total: 10 mil
all signed to 1 yr contract
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