Clubhouse Egosim
Before the Rays opened the 2007 season in New York, I wrote about the Yankees' stadium. The Yankees are great rivals. Their history allows for mocking and dramatization like few others - Boston is also in this boat, seriously, great division from a literature standpoint - and on this occasion I wrote something like, "The Rays mustn't allow the ghosts to stress them out ..." Because, you know, it's Yankee Stadium. It's opening day. Ken Burns makes documentaries about these things. The ghosts were probably too hung over to care, plus the Yankees' talent made the Rays' lineup look inadequate so they needed little help from their floating alumnus.
Maybe the Rays did play worse because Juan Salas was aware that Babe Ruth once hit some home runs on the grass' grandfather. Or maybe they just weren't good. The larger point here is that people will find things to attribute success (or lack thereof) to. Chemistry is a long-standing goat. Frankly, the entire argument around chemistry is so monotonous and cloned that I'm going to skip that part and summarize it as such: if you think it plays a role, that's fine, but at least acknowledge that it probably plays a marginal role, rather than a marquee role - the same should be said about the majority of managerial decisions.
Ignoring the fact that every key player who racked up a full season in both 2007 and 2008 actually played worse in 2008 - despite great chemistry - let's focus on the ideology behind the chemistry scene. Psychological egoism suggests that human being always act in the way in which is deemed the best act in their self-interest. Even charitable donations have roots in self-interest. Not many folks want a selfish tag thrown upon them, which means that, yes, being a good teammate also involves being the very antithesis of what supposedly makes a teammate bad.
Ignoring the concentric circles aspect of player-to-player relationships, let's focus on something that really irks me: the concept that every baseball player is incompetent and incapable of making his own decisions. For instance, take Matt Bush's presence in a minor league clubhouse. Pretend that Bush is a horrible human being, one with blasphemous moral and ethical views, and one who belongs on a desert island. Not a single player on the same roster should follow Bush. Not if they have their best interests in mind. And if their best interest involves following Bush to go tip cows or whatever, then no amount of ‘veteran leadership' or ‘experience' was going to help them.
Analysts who use quantitative analysis are often accused of forgetting that the players are human, yet they aren't the only ones who, at times, treat the most basic human qualities as ghosts.
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I understand that professional athletes are very focused people and that except for the most talented ball players, no one makes the major leagues without being mentally tough and very self-disciplined.
I agree that most players aren’t going to be strongly effected by who their teammates are or what they do. Even so, I think it makes sense to cultivate a positive work environment for your players, especially your younger minor leaguers who are hopefully learning the good habits that will make them more likely to be productive assets in your organization.
I mean, would you rather have your stud prospect room with the guy who gets up at 8am for a morning workout, eats right and gets enough rest, or the guy who stays out late drinking and womanizing and hasn’t been in the weight-room for a month?
Personally, I think its a good idea to have some character guys around, whether they are veterans or coaches or whoever, as a cheap insurance policy to help make sure players remember what actually is in their best interest.
How many of our precious roster spots should we punt so that we will have enough babysitters?
I forgot that we went to the World Series because of Papa Floyd tucking in the the blacks before 10.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
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I received an e-mail telling me that the terms is blacks (not capitalized), not African-Americans (capitalized)
Just trying to be a good company man. Also, it needed to be said.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm, I heard it was because we drafted Townsend and Brazelton in the top 10
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I'm not sure how much "chemistry" matters in baseball.
It’s such an individualistic sport on the whole. Basketball is a totally different story, though.
Finding guys who have complementary skills on the court is totally different than what is usually referred to as "Chemistry"
Even in the NBA it doesn’t matter if the players go home and play truth or dare together or hate each other, as long as they play well together on the floor.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Feb 11, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
"...not right now you don--oh wait, you did."
I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.
There are a lot of I/O Psych reports on this kind of issue.
Chemistry is what we call it in baseball, but all of our saber analyses indicate it has little to no affect on baseball. The psych reports always say that compensation, workplace design (stadiums and clubhouses in our case), and even office lighting have no discernible affect on productivity (or even how people feel at work); rather, it all comes down to the work ethic and camaraderie of those in the office. If the office has a generally good and hardworking chemistry, anyone who joins the group will be good and hardworking.
HOWEVER, baseball is a highly unique job because each individual player doesn’t work for their team; they work for themselves. Dioner Navarro is the only one at bat when he waddles up to the plate, so he is batting for his contract, or his future used-car lot, or his hopes for a coaching job in the winter ball leagues. If Navarro has another bad season, he will be traded or dropped in a moment — the team can’t play sentimentality games; nor can Navarro sulk about being dropped once he finds a new team. So Navarro is his own best interest.
More than in any other sport I can think of, baseball players are highly interchangeable. Guys have been traded in between doubleheaders and the only thing that keeps them from playing twice is the time it takes to get fitted for a uniform. Baseball players don’t need to learn play books or terminology; they yell “I’ve got it,” or point one finger for fastball (okay, maybe the catcher’s signs might take time to learn). Because of this (and the large number of players it takes to run a successful team), baseball has a much higher frequency of trades and transactions. Players contracts are truly a type of Bearer Bonds, so players have to perform their best at any time because they are protecting their future prospects and their careers.
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I feel
like posts like this from R.J. are his way of giving a big middle finger to the general Rays fan that stops by here from time to time. It baits them into coming in here guns-a-blazin’ which leads to the banhammer from kericr.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions
The Nature Boy and the Enforcer
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kericr is more of a Razor Ramon than an Arn Anderson
Personally, FreeZo is my pick for Koko B. Ware. Always coming off the top rope with the goods.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
RJ = 1-2-3 Kid?
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Wait until he goes off the handle about something and becomes X-Pac
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
This might actually work
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Remember the thread when we all went nuts about old school WWF.
Lots of pics posted that day.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 11, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I love when we do that.
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Just the other day I was wondering what gutter DDP finds himself in these days.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It probably has a marginal effect.
And RJ while you say you don’t want to reiterate the “monotonous and cloned” chemistry arguments, which is fine. But then why do you have to make a post at least a few times a year attacking chemistry as a contribution towards a team’s success? I could say your anti-chemistry posts have redundant argument after redundant argument. Why do you keep posting them? Is it your intention to start an argument? I just don’t get it.
It has a marginal effect, if any. Let’s move on.
It strikes me
That the conclusion overstates the case.
Off the field issues are going to affect on the field performance. If a guy’s marriage is going south, his kid is sick, or he hates going to work every day – all of these things are going to be in the background.
For the quantitatively inclined, however, this is all irrelevant – the variables can’t be defined and the effect can’t be predicted. Even if you had all the pertinent information, people are going to react differently. If you have two guys who despise each other in the clubhouse, maybe they stop showing up except at the very last minute and aren’t working out…or maybe they’re both so competitive that they start busting their tail trying to outdo the other and wind up with record-setting seasons. Maybe the guy with marital issues can’t focus on his swing, or maybe he’s the type to put everything he has into the job so that he’s not thinking about home. We don’t know, but more than that – we can’t know.
With respect to the psych/philosophical analysis – it’s just not always true. People act against their own self-interest all the time. How many people smoke, knowing that it’s detrimental to their future health? How many people go on a diet, but decide to sneak the brownie sundae for dessert anyway? Desires conflict, willpower varies, commitment changes. The human brain is very bad at processing short term versus long term rewards.
Using “chemistry” to guide personnel decisions is often a bad idea, and using it as an explanation smacks as a copout. But that doesn’t really address whether it exists or the amount of impact it has.
Well thought out and stated
I would think that if a guy is dogging it, that falls on the manager to get focus back where it needs to be. Perhaps what you are describing would better fall under something like “leadership.” Another term that doesn’t mean a whole lot to those that attempt to quantify those types of things, but does have a minute affect. As far as problems at home, isn’t it just as likely that the guy would perform even better as he pours himself into his work at the one place where he has a chance to forget all those problems?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 11, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions

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