Could Andy Sonnanstine Rebound As The Rays Sixth Man?
It has been a while since we had an Andy Sonnanstine apologist meeting. Thanks to our new addiction to Fangraphs' splits, I found a way to apologize for Sonnanstine some more. But before we get to that, let's get this part out of the way; Andy Sonnanstine sucked in 2009. I know that's neither progressive analysis or reasoned argument, but it's the truth. Whether you choose to look at the 6.77 ERA, or the 5.45 Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP), or the 4.85 Expected Fielding Independent Pitching (xFIP), or the 5.46 tERA or any other metric, he was not good.
On this site we've gone over pitch selection, location, arm slots and whatever else we could think up. However, we keep coming to conclusion. A pitcher like Sonnanstine lives and dies on control and command. In 2009, he didn't have much of either.
After posting back to back seasons with walks per nine (BB/9) under 1.80, he lost control to the tune of 3.07 per nine last year. That's not terrible, but only if you're striking out around eight batters per nine innings(K/9); Sonny's K/9 didn't even reach 5.5. In conjunction with the loss of control, there was a bit of bad luck.
Go ahead moan and groan as the apologist arguments are to follow...
Overall, Sonnanstine carried a Batting Average On Balls In Play (BABIP) of .336 and a home run to fly ball ratio (HR/FB) of 13.9%. Both numbers are above average even for a "hittable" pitcher as Boom Boom with each calling for some regression. Running some napkin calculations, I would say a BABIP of ~.310 and a HR/FB of 10.5% were more likely.
The book on Sonnanstine over the firs two seasons was that he struggled against left-handed batters(LHB) and it was true. His FIP by year (2007-2009) against LHB is as follows: 4.82, 4.19, and 4.43. Against right-handed batters (RHB), his FIP looks like: 3.69, 3.67, and 7.26!!! Sesame Street says one of these things is not like the others.
Looking at his platoon splits, you can easily see that most of the expected regression should come against right handed batters (remember small sample size rules apply). Sonny faced nearly 200 right-handed batters in 2009. His BABIP against was .397 and his HR/FB% was a hefty 17.9%.
Looking at 2007 and 2008, his BABIP against RHB was .315 and .328. His HR/FB rate was below seven percent in each season; slightly regression worthy, but not nearly 18%. Looking at the control issue, he had a 3.75 BB/9 against righties last year after a 1.51 average over the first two. Obviously, walks are not a result of "bad luck", but that number unlikely to remain at that level.
Another thing I noticed about Sonannstine's splits was that he had some funky batted ball data. Against left-handed batters, he is a ground ball pitcher to the tune of 46.2% ground ball ratio (GB%) and just 33.8% fly ball ratio (FB%). When the batter is standing in the opposite side of the batter's box, his splits reverse. He gives up 48.8% FB and just 36% GB.
Here is some pitch usage data to chew on. Feel free to make your own observations.
|
2008 |
VS LHB |
2009 |
|
22.10 |
Cutter |
41.90 |
|
12.30 |
Slider |
19.20 |
|
19.00 |
Curveball |
18.90 |
|
36.00 |
Fastball |
8.20 |
|
N/A |
4-Seam |
7.20 |
|
10.60 |
Change |
3.80 |
|
2008 |
VS RHB |
2009 |
|
26.60 |
Cutter |
37.80 |
|
19.60 |
Slider |
33.00 |
|
30.60 |
Curveball |
21.10 |
|
21.20 |
Fastball |
3.80 |
|
N/A |
4-Seam |
3.90 |
|
2.10 |
Change |
0.50 |
For whatever reason, Sonnanstine fell in love with his cut fastball and it just did not work. Maybe the fact that it's nearly a mile per hour slower than his regular fastball really through off the separation he desperately needs to have between his pitches. Maybe he was tipping his pitches, or maybe the pitch just wasn't that good.
Whatever you chose to blame for his downfall in 2009, take some solace in the fact that he is not likely to be this bad again. His track record, as well as his noted smarts in terms of pitching, suggests that whatever role he is in that he will be better. Whether in relief or backing up the rotation in Durham, Sonnanstine could be a key player as the major league version of the sixth man.
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Wouldn't take much. He's not being asked to carry a rotation or anchor a bullpen
Even if he’s league average or slightly better, from the 6th man in the rotation or the 6th option in the bullpen that’s pretty decent. If you look around the league there are some scary 5th starters and some scary Pen options past a teams closer/set up situation.
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by Tommy Rancel on Feb 15, 2010 8:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tell the truth.......
do you get a sick feeling in your gut when there are guys on base, and you see Maddon call for Sonny?
If he's the last guy in the bullpen
He will rarely be brought in in tight games.
If he proves his value in those situations then we probably will give him some innings in close games. Much like Lance last year
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I don't know.
I mean, we only saw that happen late last year after the Rays were done and gone and we already knew Sonny was a mess. Sveet makes the point above that he’d be the last guy in the bullpen which sort of makes sense.
I will say this though, two years ago Jason Hammel was the last guy in the bullpen. I hated Hammel. I thought he was absolutely worthless, and his biggest skill on the mound was choking away leads, no matter how big. Then near the end of the year, he proceeds to step in for an again-ineffective Troy Percival in a bases-loaded no-out situation with the team up by one and proceeds to collect the next three outs with a coldness so frigid that it made the Red Sox nation dead inside. Then he had a good rest of the year and followed it up with a nice little year in Colorado.
We’ve already seen good things out of Sonny. It’s only a matter of if he can put it all back together like he had it in 2008.
I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.
That cutter is such a garbage pitch.
He had a great mix of pitches in 2008 that kept batters guessing. Sometimes they guessed right and gave it a ride, but more often than not, he was a stud that year. I’ve updated my deserved wins workbook for every year that the Rays have been in existence. You should be able to read a neat piece in the annual, but if anyone wants the data between now and then, just e-mail me. Anyways, here’s the FIP Wins for 2008:
Shields 19.75
Sonnanstine 19.34
Garza 15.13
Kazmir 14.74
Jackson 13.77
Hammel 2.11
Price 0.64
Niemann 0.57
Talbot 0.54
Here’s wOBA Wins:
Shields 17.03
Garza 16.38
Sonnanstine 16.12
Kazmir 15.33
Jackson 13.88
Hammel 2.12
Price 0.88
Niemann 0.69
Talbot 0.24
Sonny was really very good that year. For him to change his pitch mix so drastically just doesn’t make sense. I hope he’s been playing a lot of ping pong all winter to keep that arm limber.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 15, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions
The cutter seems to be hit or miss
For some people it works wonders for Sonny and even Shields it seems to do more harm than good.
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by Tommy Rancel on Feb 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Welp
http://htownsports.blogspot.com/2006/10/jim-hickey-pays-price.html
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 15, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I actually side with one of the commenters in that
article. G-Man said:
…It is simply impossible for someone outside of the organization to accurately evaluate Hickey’s performance.How can we know what’s really going on behind the scenes or on the mound?
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Pitch Usage data in the table
Nice article Tommy..
I assume the pitch usage data in table is percentages (as its not marked what units) . Where is the reference to where this data is obtained from?
Less BP fastballs would help.
I was at the O’s game where he gave up 2 bombs to Pacman Jones. He was peppering the middle part of the strike-zone with that 85 MPH heater. He needs less of that.
Probably was the cutter.
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by Tommy Rancel on Feb 15, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's the type of pitcher that belongs on a 2nd division team, not one trying to contend
Either KC or send him to Seattle or Oakland where maybe some of his moonshots can fall short of the fence. His K/9 has fallen dramatically over the past few seasons – 5.4 K/9 ain’t gonna cut it for a contender. Matter of fact, just about every pitcher’s K/9 on this staff has fallen under Hickey’s watch.
by Jason Collette on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Could Andy Sonnanstine Rebound As The Rays Sixth Man?
Nope.
go away percival
Compelling argument, my favorite part is where you backed it up.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
As an aside...
Tommy: Thanks for the links/spell-out (upon first use) to the terms. :) This member appreciates it.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Feb 15, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Let's stir up the nest of hornets a bit
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/edwin-jackson-dbacks-avoid-arbitration.html
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 15, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions
2010 Rays' Starting Rotation
James Shields – $2.5M
Matt Garza – $3.35M
Jeff Niemann – hmm, I actually can’t find this on Cots. Somewhere around $1M
David Price – $1M
Wade Davis – $.4M
…
E-Jax – $4.2M
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure. He was signed on a contract through 2009 that paid him $.65M last year
He’s still low on service time, though, so he’s at the will of the Rays. Don’t know if they plan on cutting his pay or what.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 15, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Only E-Jax has reached arb 2 status
which explains the salary difference.
Next year, his arb 2 year, Shields will make $4.25 MM. Garza was a super 2, so technically won’t reach arb 2 status until 2012 – I think he might top EJax’s 4.2 by then.
Niemann can’t be cut more than 20% from his $650K ‘09 salary, plus his signing bonus was prorated through ’09, hence the $1.3 MM stated as his salary. I’d be surprised if the Rays cut him much from the $650K, but his comp will drop since the sb won’t factor in anymore.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Feb 15, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Given his high fly ball rates against righties, the .318 and .325 BABIP rates seem a little bit high as well
If he keeps giving up as many fly balls, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that BABIP vs. Righties fall to .305 which means about 20 less hits given up in 200 plate appearances against righties in the future, which is very important over an extended period of time. I’ve always been a Sonny apologist, and I look at the use of the cutter as the reason for the majority of his struggles. If he goes back to walking 2.0 – 2.2 batters/9 then a 5.3 – 5.6 K/9 rate isn’t so bad.
Also, his curveball saw a significant increase in break, which could have been part of the reason he had a hard time controlling and commanding it.
Either he can take a bit off the stuff off to try and regain command, or he can try and learn how to throw his pitches that are better, which may reap great results in the long run. Throwing pitches of unfamiliar quality may have messed his ability to be as finesse a pitcher as he would like to be.

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