Rays & Carl Crawford To Discuss Contract Extension
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST
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I usually dismiss most talks during spring training as just that; however, some important talks are tentatively scheduled for next week. According to Jon Morosi of FoxSports.com, Andrew Friedman is hoping to speak with Carl Crawford and his representation next week about a possible extension.
"It’ll be something that we’ll address more, probably next week," Friedman said. "I don’t want to get into it too much. I’d imagine it’s something people want to know more about, and rightfully so. We’ll kind of give a brief update of where things are and leave it at that. My guess is Carl won’t want to talk about it much beyond that, and neither will we."
Both sides have expressed interest in a deal, but I still fail to see how the numbers match up (5yr/80 mil?). Crawford's future will be a storyline all season, but apparently the contract talks will not go past Port Charlotte. It looks as if the extension talks are at a "now or never" point with both sides showing an unwillingness to negotiate in season.
Who says nothing interesting happens in Spring Training?
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My guess
“Had we been afforded the opportunity of a new stadium such as the one the Marlins are getting, we could extend Crawford much like the Marlins did with Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson. Given the limitations of our market and stadium, that just isn’t possible.”
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by Jason Collette on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions
It's already written
That is the template, just change out the names for whichever player you need.
by Jason Collette on Feb 22, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Chances of anything happening: 0%
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Something like this needs to be done to show the fanbase that there's a desire to want him back, and that it's not all about the bottom line
I mean, we know that this probably is going to result in either Friedman or CC’s agent coming out and saying they’re several million dollars apart, but if they do nothing at all, they’re going to look like the Bucs.
On that note, the Buccaneers are the model example of how not to treat a fanbase. They’ve gone from the pride of the community to anger-turned-indifference in the course of half-a-decade. I know the area is fair-weather, but THAT kind of shift takes some effort.
I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.
Please surprise me and sign him
Rays aren’t the Rays without that man in LF. I doubt it though, he is going to get a Yankee type contract and the Rays don’t hand those out.
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So you see the Yankees spending $180 million next year?
$100 mm for Lee and $80 mm for CC?
$100 million for Lee and $80 for Jayson Werth?
I think Crawford could go to the Giants, Angels, ect.
Nah
Werth is probably either staying with the Phillies, or staying in the NL.
by TBRaysfan009 on Feb 22, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Every fan base is in love with Crawford - thanks ESPN, but Werth?
Ruben"You start adding all-star caliber players, that is obviously going to increase your core group. I guess the next question you would have is, where do we stand with Jayson? Jayson is under contract through this year. We’ve had very, very preliminary discussions about what his future might be like here. There will be some difficult decisions down the road. We’ll have to weigh where we want to fit in all the dollars and how we want to fit the puzzle together. We can not operate with nothing but $15- to $20-million players. And if there’s any indication, how much the [Matt] Holliday and [Jason] Bay signings have on direct impact on where Werth may be at the end of this year, we’re going to have to sift through it and figure out what’s best for the organization. Amaro Jan 22nd following the Victorino signing
Y'all should keep Victorino and let that bum Werth walk.
Victorino’s the heart and soul of that team. Just look how loud he screams “I got it!” when he’s miked up. He has a great head for the game as evidenced by his imparting knowledge to foreigner Kuroda about where the correct place to bean a batter is. He’s a WINNER full of GRIT.
I'm sure the turf is to blame for all of this uncertainty.
Longoria is complainging about it affecting his hamstrings now, too. I found this curious because the third baseman plays on clay, not the turf, but maybe it’s a batting practice thing from shagging balls.
Port Charlotte is grass, right?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 22, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
fieldturf is a bitch to smoke
That’s why Kazmir was happy to leave
by Jason Collette on Feb 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think it might be the cement base underneath the field
Is it the same turf that they use in football now?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
"Carl, how does something like 4/$45 million sound/"
fast forward April 2011, “Leading off for the Rays and playing LF, Desmond Jennings”
This made me lol.
I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.
Here's something to think about
If the Rays sign him to a 4-5 year deal which is back-loaded, at below market value, that could possibly be an asset to the team going forward. Thinking about it now, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him get a deal and then get Kazmir’d, finding another home as his contract is getting ready to get more expensive.
The Rays aren’t the kind of team to give up something of value, and Crawford on a 4 year contract at below market value is just that.
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I think both sides know that this isn't going to workout
but you would have to be dumb not to at least explore the possibility
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How's this for a deal?
4 years + team option for 5th/80 mil
5 mil bucks to sign his name
2011: 11 million
2012: 13 million
2013: 15 million
2014: 20 million….time to trade him
2015: 22 million/1.5 mil buy out
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changes to my horrible math
make it 3 mil signing bonus, 14 mil in 2013, 17 mil in 2014, 20 in 2015 = 80 mil but reasonable until 2014
Fire and Ice: Rafael Soriano and J.P Howell.......with their side kick Grant the aussie Balfour!
ok im an idiot, just lower the signing bonus to 4 mil from my original idea
damn
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and when he blows out his knee if 2013 we're completely F'd?
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by stpetelawyer on Feb 22, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should just let the year play out and hopefully get to see what Jennings brings to the table.
If C.C. and Pena play out contract...
Do the Ray`s offer arbitration and take a chance that they both decline? What if one or both accept, which puts the team well above payroll limitations. They would be forced to trade them for less value than the collective four top draft picks. In essence, they would get Soriano`d.
How can you have any pudding if you haven`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Feb 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
yep
CC will look for and find a 5/6 year deal. Los really loves Tampa and would accept arby or even take a paycut to stay. Jennings can easily take over in LF but they would need to sign a 1B or waste Zorlla and move him, I think Los resigns.
I want Soriano to stay but if he has the year we all want, he will be a 10+ mil RP and very few teams are going to have one of those.
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I'd not be surprised if Soriano got a multi-year deal if he has a good year
This year was a flooded closer market, compared to like 2008, which had like 3.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Feb 22, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
The biggest thing for him seems to be his health.
If there are no probs he’ll be very, very sought after.
I think
Soriano is a one year rental, which goes along with the whole “all in” theme this year.
by TBRaysfan009 on Feb 22, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no doubt.
I was speaking more to his next contract. One reason I believe he accepted arb. was to give himself another chance to prove he could handle the grind of a whole season. I hope he does because it’s great for our team this year, and it makes it more likely we get better comp. for him.
If soriano leaves then the Rays could use his salary to pay CC
perhaps
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There are plenty of teams that need a 1B that he can be traded to if need be
Giants, Orioles, Mariners are the leaders I think
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Feb 22, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, replacing CC is much harder than replacing Los
And treating Desmond Jennings like he could step in tomorrow and be an adequate replacement for CC is a dangerous repeat of irrational prospect optimism. How quickly we forget how “can’t miss” Delmon Young was.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions
Jennings though was brought up through the system way better than Young
and they played without CC in 2008, so they can play just as well.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Feb 22, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is saying he could step in and bat like CC, but I don't think defense has much of a learning curve moving to the Majors
He doesn’t need to be Craw for this team to be good, and I absolutely love his approach at the plate. My guess is that he could come up this year and have more walks than Craw, I just wouldn’t count on him having more doubles/homers.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 22, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
To have Carl in a Rays uniform for another 4 years..
I would sell my kidney! Which is in better shape then my liver, believe you me.
Blah!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Feb 22, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions
So essentially, if he isn't extended before opening day
We can count on him being traded at the deadline if we aren’t in the race, or walking away after the season. I’d obviously rather contend than not contend, but as far as return goes, are picks or prospects weighted higher?
The picks are probably going to be more valuable than a the compensation for a few months of a CC rental
Of course, any payroll relief a team would be willing to surrender in a trade impacts future budgets as well. So thats a consideration.
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I don't know about that
Last time I checked, he was a fringe Type A free agent, since Elias uses shitty stats. If he has a so-so season and he gets close to being Type B, then he’d almost certainly be traded.
Also, you’re just assuming the Yankees or someone would sign him. What happens if a bottom half team signs him? Then we’d just get a comp pick, probably somewhere in the 37 or 38 range. That’s no great shakes.
Finally, if a team he’s getting traded to is able to work out a long-term deal, then he becomes worth a lot more than just a rental.
And hell, even if we’re close to the race, who’s to say that by midseason Jennings might not be an upgrade over Crawford?
I know this theme has been repeated ad infinitum, but it makes a lot more sense that Pena (who’s pretty much guaranteed to be Type A) would stick the full season than would Crawford.
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And what will happen to the logjam of CF/RF if he's extended?
Carl, Upton, and Joyce would be cockblocking Desmond. Who would go first? Upton or Joyce?
Depend on if Upton would wanna stick around long-term
he could get very pricey
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Feb 22, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know enough...
…about the business of baseball to know what a good deal looks like for both sides. But I do know I love watching the guy play, and he’s been the one thing I’ve really latched onto since I started going to the Trop in 05. I’d hate to think of him in a new uniform, but why wouldn’t he go for some big dough somewhere else? Why not Boston or NY?
All I know for sure is that when this guy is at the plate, I literally think the sky is the limit.
GO CC!!!
by RockyRippleColtsFan on Feb 22, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions
CC is my absolute favorite player
but I am resigned to the fact that this will be his last in a Rays uniform and I hope it’s an amazing one. In reality, it’s probably best if he moves on for both sides. CC can get a huge pay day and get his legs off this turf, and the Rays can save their money and see what Jennings has to offer. I won’t expect him to replace CC right away, but I think he can become that great stereotypical lead-off hitter that this team has lacked.
I just hope CC goes to the NL, or at least has the decency to stay out of the AL East.
as has been mentioned above..
Keeping CC is inviting potentially lower compensatory picks should he perform below expectations. Remember though, any whatthehellkindoffelloutoftheskyshitisthis numbers and Bavasi, Shapiro & Co will explode in their pants. Rays win WS + CC MVP = satisfying end to crawford tenure in Tampa Bay.
by vincesucks on Feb 23, 2010 12:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I really wouldn't like to see the crawford tenure end this year
I hope a deal can get done. I just wouldn’t be able to bear CC suiting up for the Sux or Yankees. Hell if Pena takes a pay cut we should definately keep him as well.
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