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The constant discussion on the need for a new stadium in the Tampa Bay area is starting to wear of my nerves.  Yes, the team may indeed need a new stadium to remain both financially stable and competitive down the road, but in the meantime lets try and appreciate what we have now in Tropicana Field.
 
The stadium gets far more than it's share of undeserved criticism, a majority of which came during the 2008 playoff run when the Trop was put on a national stage for the first time. I've never thought of it as a particularly good looking structure. From a purely aesthetic standpoint it leaves much to be desired, what with the outside looking like some sort of giant space craft. Nevertheless, it's where I saw my first Major League game, so it will always hold a special place for me. Putting personal moments aside, here is a list of reasons why we should still appreciate Tropicana Field. 
 
1. The Rays play in Florida: 
I know this point has been beaten into the ground for years, but I'm going to say it again. In case you're new to the state, one of two things happens during a typical Florida summer; it either gets uncomfortably hot or it rains.  There's really no in between, and neither are exactly conducive to watching a baseball game.  While temperature inside the Trop stays at a sunny 72 degrees.  Those who oppose domes, arguing that baseball is meant to be played outside, have obviously never lived in Florida.
 
2. There really isn't a bad seat:
From the outfield bleachers to the nose bleeds in the 300 level, you'd be hard pressed to find a bad seat inside Tropicana Field.  In fact, there are many people I know who actually prefer to sit in the upper deck, whatever that's worth.  I was seated in the far reaches of the 300 level during the 2008 World Series and did not have one complaint about my seat.  You pay $10 to sit in the upper deck and arguably get a better view than someone sitting in the lower box.  It's hard to beat that.
 
3. It's the underdog of stadiums:
While the Rays were the ultimate team underdog story in 2008, Tropicana Field has been an underdog of a stadium since construction was completed in 1990.  Built in the hopes of luring a Major League franchise to the area, either by expansion of relocation, the stadium was denied a team on several occasions, settling for NHL Hockey and Arena League Football until the Rays began play in 1998.  Of course, the Rays were terrible for their first 10 seasons, not allowing the stadium get the benefit of the doubt like the successful Twins teams did for the Metrodome
 
Obviously the Rays will not stay in Tropicana Field forever. But until that sad day comes when the lights are forever dimmed on the stadium, lets appreciate what we have for at least another season.

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This article is turd polishing 101.

Credit management for doing the best they could with a terrible starting point. Yes it’s comfortable (thanks to an AC fueled electric bill that we cannot possibly comprehend) and has generally good sightlines, but so do other modern stadiums in climates that are as disgusting during the heart of summer. I’m referring to Minute Park Park in Houston and Chase Field in Arizona, which both convert nicely to fit the weather.

The best thing about the Trop, which I’m surprised you didn’t mention considering the WS reference, is the ear splitting volume created by its ability to trap sound. The volume of the crowd during the Division series was absurd. That was impressive and will certainly be lost by its next incarnation.

Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Feb 23, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

The not so bad Trop

Of course being on the Grounds Crew I am partial but I do understand that there needs to be a new stadium .
I just hope that it’s here. In Pinellas County. I know the outside does look like a “space craft” however a LOT has been done to the outside to make it more attractive. The landscape was improved immensely two years ago. That goes largely unnoticed. Not that it was important to the game field but the effort was put in to make it more pleasing to the eye. I know the guys who work on the outside were very proud of what they did. (In fact, they never let those of us who only work the games hear the end of it.)

While I know we’re getting a new stadium, I’m pretty sure that it is not going to be an outdoor facility. This is probably obvious to some however you’d be surprised how many people think that they can survive the heat, humidity and storms that Florida weather brings. I remember working the spring training games the last season at Al Lang two years ago. It was hot. It rained a lot. It was hot again. And that was still in March. In fact, we had to pull the tarp more times that spring than any time that I can remember. Can you imagine some of the older folks here in St.Pete sitting out in the heat, humidity and rain with an outdoor stadium? I remember my dad saying to me when the new design with the sails was proposed .." The hell I’m sitting out there on an 85 degree night." I said “Dad….they’re going to have those misters in the concourse to cool ya down.” He looked at me like " Dude. I don’t think so." Personally, I do believe that the new stadium design will have to be very uniquely different somehow to accommodate the weather and heat. Let’s face it….if it IS a retractable dome, the roof will be closed 90 percent of the time after about May 1st. So we can essentially consider the new stadium domed.
 
This is SO true there there is not a bad seat. I tell everyone that I know to try to sit in every area of the stadium. It really is a good place to watch games.

As far as domes go, I believe that the Trop is not bad at all. Like I said above, it really is a good place to watch a game. The improvements over the past 3-4 years have been great . Yes….it looks like a great big pin ball machine inside at times but I DO think that it is more fan friendly than before.

Just my partial $0.02.

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by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with your statement about the older folks.

Heck my Mom wouldn’t go to half as many games if it was out in the heat. There needs to be a way for it to be cool or it won’t work.

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by SRQman on Feb 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Outside

If it is a true outdoor stadium or even a retractable, it would help cool it down a bit to be close to the water for the sea breeze. Just like Al Lang is.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
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"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The only truly bad thing about the Trop is the drive

There’s really very little truly bad about the stadium. It’s a great place to play or watch a game, especially in recent years. Really the only reason people got depressed about the stadium was because of the team that was playing in it. As long as the team keeps winning in general, things will get better.

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by Orlando Rays on Feb 23, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

I don't really mind the stadium. It's not the fancy, shiny new toy that some places have, but it still is able to hold a great game of baseball.

Like Orlando Rays above, my only issue is the drive for me and the surrounding area’s traffic issue, but that will be tough to fix anywhere in the Tampa/St. Pete area.

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

Nice post

The only thing I disagree with is the sightlines. Seats in the lower sections do not face home plate (unless you’re directly behind home plate).

I went to an Astros game in July at Minute Maid and it was oppressive. The roof was closed, but they were only pumping enough AC to cool the lower levels. It ruined the experience for me and is the only thing I remember about the game. It’s what I imagine every home game would be like for the Rays were it not for the Trop.

And while I find the Trop a fine venue to watch a game in (especially when attendance is more than 10K, which I can’t say has been most of the games I’ve been too), I’m not thrilled about my team playing on its surface. I’ve never understood why you can’t lay turf on 3’-5’ of soil or clay. Anything but concrete.

by Sunbird on Feb 23, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

I would like to see a retractable roof stadium. This would probably only be used in April and Sept or Oct.

But it would draw appeal to the staduim for other events throughout the year.

Personally, something like Miller Park in Milwaukee would be ideal. There is so much natural lighting in that place even when the roof is closed. RIGHT POW?

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sorry Eric I just don't agree with you on this.

1.) I have lived in Florida my whole life and absolutely hate Dome baseball. I think the heat issue is overblown. Yes it is hot, but a lot of other places are(Atlanta, Texas). The vast majority of games start after 7PM. It is not too hot by then. So we are talking about 2 games per month that would be played during the day. I’m not saying it can’t be retractable or something like the Rays proposed, but a dome just doesn’t do it for me. Same with the rain issue. The seemingly daily showers we get in the middle of the summers usually come at 4 and by 6 you can’t even tell it rained. I really don’t think it would affect as many games as people would think.

2) The sightlines aren’t terrible, but a new parks would be much better. I have sat in the 300 level down the line or even the 100 level down the line and you have to have your head turned the whole game. The sightlines in those seats are well below avg compared to a new major league park.

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree on both issues

I was just talking with some guys that have season tickets at Arlington and they said that by game time it’s pretty common for it to be 96 degrees at first pitch. They said that LF is almost impossible to sit in as the sun is going down (reminded me of sitting on the wrong side at a Bucs game) and that the rest of the stadium is pretty much unbearable. These were some pretty die hard fans so they put up with it, but if you are trying to bring the casual fan in I think they would be pretty turned off from the heat. As for rain, even when the rain is done by 6 it just means that the humidity gets ramped up again for the start of the game and the field might or might not be playable depending on just how torrential the downpour is. Florida gets some of the angriest downpours I’ve ever seen.

I’ve sat up top, in the party deck, down the RF line, behind 1B, next to the Rays tank, over by the visiting bullpen (NICE MUSTACHE TODD JONES), and under the overhang on the 3B side (probably the biggest issue as it’s tough to track fly balls), and even got told to leave the stadium only to be handed a ticket by some fans that were wandering around to go sit 6 rows behind home plate, and there really is not a bad seat in the house. When the place is empty it seems lifeless and sterile, but when it’s packed you can feel how intense the crowd is. I think it’s a real nice place to take in a game when there’s a lot of people there. Maybe we should put a hill in CF or maybe a moat around the wall instead of a warning track?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think a retractable roof or some solution like the Rays proposed is the best answer

I was just pointing out that I believe the heat/rain issue is overblown. Most nights in April,May,and even June are really really nice. July and August can get really hot at night though. Also the daily rains are mostly just for a couple months and they usually don’t last more than 30mins. What I meant is by 6 all the water usually burns up so it doesn’t even look like it had rained. They would cover the field with a tarp so it wouldn’t affect the start of games.

I guess we just see the sightlines differently. I’m just not huge fan of the seats down the line where you are basically staring at CF if you are looking forward

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Those crooked seats...

in the lower box down the third baseline are pretty terrible. Although, they usually stick visiting fans in there. I had to watch Scotty K implode against the Red Sox from there.

by Sully on Feb 23, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

I was on the 1B side for that game and just wanted to puke everywhere

Worst game I’ve ever been to with all the Sox fans there and Scotty couldn’t even throw a strike that didn’t get hammered. Then Talbot came in and did basically the same thing with less walks. Watching Fatty Ortiz go yard was embarrassing.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

God do I hate those seats

Sat in them once, of course it happend to be the extra inning game in the ALCS vs the Sox. But those uncomfortable 6 hours were worth seeing Dan Wheeler pitch his heart out and win the game.

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by Warde on Feb 23, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the Trop.

Considering I sweat my ass off just walking into the stadium, the air conditioning is a blessing. I can smuggle in booze and there really isn’t a bad seat in the house.

Is it ugly? Does the turf blow? Definitely, but I attend a lot more games thanks to the dome covering than my fatass would if it were open air and more expensive.

by Suttree on Feb 23, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Any idea on how many games a year would be rained out?

Wonder if they’ev even looked into that.

I would love an outdoor stadium in theory, but as everyone seems to point out, the oppressive heat and humidity would keep people from coming to the games. It wouldn’t solve the attendance issue.

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be roughly similar to the number of games the Marlins get rained out.

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by kericr on Feb 23, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

IIRC, the Marlins have many more delays than actual rain outs.

Which is still a pain in the ass. Just sayin’.

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't seem to find anything about their foul-weather senarios.

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by kericr on Feb 23, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Last year they postponed 5 games due to rain. Also managed to get lucky and get no PPDs on the road.

But yeah, they delay more because they know that they can’t postpone too many games due to the difficulty of making them up.

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by kericr on Feb 23, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They have many rain delays but not many rain outs.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
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"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

the Turf does NOT blow.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind the Trop.

I like having AC, the seats are large and comfortable enough, and the sightlines are all fine.

My lone problem is that the PA system is way too loud. Sometimes I’ll take a couple of Excedrins before coming to a game, because if I don’t I may get a headache from the loud music. I’d prefer it if the Rays didn’t try to make their baseball games as much like Magic games as humanly possible, but I understand they’re trying to sell tickets.

by Zach Attack on Feb 23, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, this was horrible during the World Series run.

Way too much noise, way too much shit going on. They toned it down last season, but I would prefer to never hear anything ever. Also, it drowns out some of the terrible shit we say.

by Suttree on Feb 23, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'll add:

I really do prefer seeing outside baseball whenever possible, but I don’t want to see outside baseball in St. Pete in July.

People are bringing up Atlanta, but Atlanta has more bearable weather than this area does. Up there, it’s more of a dry heat. Down here, we’re sweating within ten minutes.

by Zach Attack on Feb 23, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Marlins

I’ve been to about 10 Marlins night games and have always sweated my butt off.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The question isn't about the Trop as a fan friendly, affordable place to watch a game

It simply doesn’t provide the revenue other new venues do for the owners

Competing in the ALE is difficult enough, without starting off in a hole every year because of where you play

by sternfan1 on Feb 23, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Stuart Sternberg and this Front Office are intelligent

They aren’t insisting on a new stadium just for the hell of it.

A new stadium/location is needed to be able to generate more revenue.

Everyone can have a big trop love fest all they want, but the bottom line is if we don’t build a new stadium within the next 5-10 years then the Rays will be gone.

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

A new stadium is definitely needed. ASAP.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you talk with Indians fans quite a bit

Have you ever seen figures on revenue increase once the Jake was completed? It seemed like a similar situation where a team just chock full of young talent moved into a brand new stadium that was constantly sold out. The Indians were coming off a pretty garbage run, prior to that, and all of a sudden found themselves with an exciting team in a brand new palace. I’d be interested to see if any of the guys at LGT ever put together or found a good piece showing the increase in revenue.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

There are some similarities in the two, but the one that

comes to mind is how many times the new stadium issue was treated in a negative fashion by voters and city leaders.

The Indians used to play in Municipal Stadium with a seating capacity of 80K. There were games i went to when the “announced” crowd was 5K

As for moving into Jacob’s Field and the instant financial success many factors came into play, the economy and the Browns moving to Baltimore as two big ones along with how irrevelant the Cavs were and they weren’t even playing in Cleveland at the time (Summit County)

by sternfan1 on Feb 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, if only the Bucs would move to Baltimore

Seems like both them and the Lightning are on the verge of irrelevance, and that is why I think they are making it such a priority to talk it up. They need to get as much support as they can while they are the best team in town.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

But it won't happen. This town talks Bucs 24/7 365 days a year, and for what, i have no clue

No playoff wins in eight years, yet they’re the darlings of the city—stupid, stupid, stupid

by sternfan1 on Feb 23, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't buy that. There will come a day

There will come a day when your generation and the ones that follow, will grow up as Rays fans, with no Red Sox, Yankee family ties blocking your view

by sternfan1 on Feb 23, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much of an overlap there is in the market of Bucs fans and Rays fans.

In general, football tends to gather a regional following while baseball, with its repetitive, habit-forming schedule is more oriented to the lifestyle of locals.

There is room for both, is what I’m saying. The Bucs are a regional draw.

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by PlayOnWords on Feb 23, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call what they do on Sundays as "football."

I’ve seen better organization on a chicken farm. I like the Bucs, but am completely turned off by the commercialization of the game. They could literally take 30 mins off a game by cutting down on the commercial breaks. Gamedays at Ray Jay are about as exciting as watching an LPGA event with all the stops. The older I get, the less I care about the NFL.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

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by SRQman on Feb 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel that there's a case that the rudimentary concepts of the NFL are shifting from a spectacle on it's own to merely an extension of NCAA football.

Another way of saying that is if something doesn’t change, then within our lifetimes the NFL is going to be looked at in the same way as the Senior PGA tour, which is merely an extension of the regular PGA tour. Because of the ‘bigger faster stronger’ mentality the NFL propagates, players’ careers are becoming far too short to have long-lasting historical relevance. NCAA football already has the NFL beat right now on the fun-to-watch scale. Within a decade, we could be looking at NCAA as when a player is in his prime.

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by kericr on Feb 23, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There are some people who are capable of talking both

but the large transplant population (NY/Bos specifically) made gettinga large toe hold for the Rays difficult.

And I’m not sure its safe to call the Bucs the darling of the city anymore. Seems more negative opinions are out there (and they probably are justified)

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's because Buc fans...or just the population of Tampa...are/is remarkably stupid.

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by PlayOnWords on Feb 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the Lightning is "on the verge of irrelevance" and the Rays used to be ?

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"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
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by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's easy to forget just how lame the overall game experience at the Trop is

until you go to a game elsewhere. Now, the game experience can only partially be blamed on the structure itself. The “Ray Team” is no fault of the Trop’s, after all. But for anyone who is actually there for the game’s sake, a night at the Trop is pretty lame.

I’m sorry. It just is.

by Bobby Fenton on Feb 23, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

If I'm there for the game's sake, I just tune out all the nonsense.

What really surprises me is that a casual fan who would otherwise be bored by baseball could sustain any interest in all the theatrics (dancers, cheesy things like ‘find the cow’ and ‘keep your eye on the moving ball,’ etc.). I sometimes see families where the kids will take off in the second inning to check out the game rooms and fish tank, not to return until the ninth.

Well, hey, whatever floats your boat. I just think going to a baseball game would be fairly lame if you weren’t really a baseball fan. Which ties into the whole attendance issue. The Rays’ problem isn’t getting baseball fans to show up. It’s getting the rest of the population to show up once or twice a season to enjoy the spectacle. And, putting myself in their shoes, there’s not too much to draw my interest there.

by Zach Attack on Feb 23, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of the "theatrics"...

….no one here likes to see the grounds crew dance, right? Right?

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives."
Jackie Robinson

"People ask me what I do in the winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
—Rogers Hornsby

by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobby, wouldn't you agree that at least when there's a crowd and energy in the building it's a step up from

a Tuesday night game against the A’s with the blue hairs checking their watch to make sure they get home in time for Murder She Wrote, Matlock, M*A*S*H, insert witticism?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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You hit it on the head Eric. I’m not going to try to add anything but to let you know that I have been to many different stadiums around the US & Canada aprox a dozen and I sit with 4 FULL SEASON TICKETS for the last 5 years in Sec 310 and love them. On top of that we travel 144 miles round trip to every game and 2 of the people that come are over 80 years old and we love the place. Oops I lied, you could also mention the Mosquitoes, Bugs, Pollen and Lighting along with the inexpensive tickets.

by CharlieRay on Feb 23, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

I think debating the trop against an outdoor stadium is pointless

There is no way a new stadium is built in this area without a retractable roof or some sort of covering.

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

This.

It be pretty stupid if they did that IMO

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by SRQman on Feb 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The only good things about the Trop

Can easily be duplicated or improved in its replacement: weather protection, noise retention, food selection.

The many bad things about the Trop can be eliminated: ugliness, stupid embarrassing catwalks interfering with balls in play, misaligned seats, substandard restroom facilities, last remaining FieldTurf field in MLB — which our star players (CC, Longo) hate.

Oh, and poor location. (Yep, I said it.)

by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Feb 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

I believe they switched to the NexTurf system that many other dome teams use in both the NFL and MLB

Additionally, they’re the only dome team to use an actual clay and dirt infield.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

To add

I think one of the uglier aspects was how the field was balding towards the end of the Naimoli regime. The new front office seemed to put a lot of importance on getting rid of the patches as seen in these pics:

Before:

After:

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The new regime has made the Trop a much better place to watch the game then before

They really put a lot of money into cleaning/fixing up the stadium. Added signage and decoration to the blank concrete walls in the outfield. Cleaned up all the seats. They really did about as good of a job as they could with the place

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

True -- as to clay and dirt infield

And another thing that can be duplicated or improved in the new stadium.

I don’t think they have switched the FieldTurf to NexTurf. Perhaps they plan to do so, but I don’t think it has happened.

by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Feb 23, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

You might be right, here's a nifty look at it:

http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Turf.html
Though, the source is only through 2006. Everything I’m finding says Field Turf, my bad, I could have sworn that they made a big deal about switching over in the last few years. Good point, below, Sveet.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were for a new stadium...by the fairgrounds

I will agree that the Trop is much nicer than the public perception of it. I don’t mind watching games there, but I think a new stadium would be much nicer. Also my wife who loves the stadiums we have been to in other cities doesn’t really enjoy going to games at the Trop. The stadium might not matter as much to big baseball fans, but for a casual fan or the spouse of a fan it can make a big difference.

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by Sveet on Feb 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm for a stadium anywhere that they feel will provide the most utility to the most people.

One of my goals if I were them would be to become a viable option to people in Orlando. The best way to do that would be to be on the Lakeland-side of Tampa.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife is the same way.

My wife hates sports and especially baseball. I can usually get her to 1 or 2 games/year at the Trop and she only goes if we have a group and she still doesn’t like it. Yet she’ll go to 5 or 6 games/year over at Brighthouse Fields in Clearwater with just me. We’ll go to day games in the middle of the summer. She could care less about the product on the field, but would rather be in a minor league stadium, during the day in the middle of summer than at the Trop.

All of us here are baseball fans and would watch the games in a parking lot on a 105 degree day, but the Rays need to work on attracting the casual fans and businesses. The Trop doesn’t cut it with that base, A/C or not.

by ReyL on Feb 23, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still FieldTurf

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by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

.

http://www.draysbay.com/2010/2/23/1322559/dome-sweet-dome#31221076

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that. I was just confirming it.

It really is NOT bad. Seriously. Foul territory DID take a beating during the Series however “rebounded” great !
If anyone ever has a chance to check it out, do so.

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by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh, what?

How many other MLB venues have you been to, E-Heezy? The Trop is in shit shape, is in a bad spot, and has no character. You go to other places like the aforementioned Miller Park, or Chase Field in Arizona, or either of the new New York parks, or even that craphole Wrigley Field, and the city/region is at least represented in some way. Either by food or by architecture or by a design that evokes some sort of atmosphere associated with the area. The Trop is the K-Mart of baseball stadiums. It tries to borrow design elements from other ballparks but it comes off entirely unnatural and low-rent (the Camden Yards motif above centerfield, for instance). I think Stu has done everything that he can with what’s there, but there is no need to really stop the piling on. If the Rays want to be taken seriously, year-in, year-out, as a contender both in competitive baseball play AND as a major league organization worthy of the Bay Area’s discretionary dollar and TIME, then the piling on should continue until something changes. LEST WE FORGET how this town loves something shiny and new. The Bucs weren’t really a glam ticket until 1998.

Despite being an area overrun with transplants, Tampa does have a distinct heritage. We need a new stadium that reflects that, that makes it feel like a home and not an Extended Stay Baseball Stadium. For revenue purposes and to promote a team identity, which has properties of transference to the fanbase.

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by PlayOnWords on Feb 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fixed it for You

Baseball is meant to be played outside. on a calculator

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by FreeZorilla on Feb 23, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I played in Tampa all my life and I'll be fucked by a minotaur before I sit outside in July to watch a game.

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by PlayOnWords on Feb 23, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why retractable roof is the best argument.

The Downtown St. Pete stadium was the perfect intervention.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Feb 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This from the fat bastard that sweats though his t-shirt during is 10 min walk to the Trop.

Then cools down with a nice Mt. Dew before he shovels two orders of garlic fries down his hole. But wait! He then tops it off with some Dip-n-Dots for good measure.

One more year Brett. One more year.

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with Dos Equis?

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

To be clear, the beer is mexican poop?

I don’t mind it, but I also don’t think I have a well-versed beer palette.

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird, it doesn't have that affect on me

and other stuff does routinely (David Garrard’s disease)

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sickle Cell Anemia?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I played on select teams, for your INFORmation.

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by PlayOnWords on Feb 23, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And fixed again

Baseball is meant to be played outside. on a calculator

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

And reply fail.

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by Buc Wild on Feb 23, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the Trop

and I’m sure I’m biased in a lot of ways (live in south st pete, I don’t park at the Trop, don’t have to take the interstate etc etc), the thing I like the best about the Trop is that the ticket prices are reasonable, and especially since there are no bad cheap seats, I can actually afford to go to a bunch of games every year. I could care less about Rays team or no Rays team, silly ‘find the cow’ promotions – I go for the game, the rest is just fluff to me.

If they build a fancy new stadium and raise ticket prices, I’m sure I’ll go once or twice to check it out. But if there aren’t readily available cheap tickets with great views of the field, I’m sure I won’t go as often as I do now.

I don’t understand why anyone would sit on the baselines further out than maybe a section or two past the dugouts – for half to a third of the price, you can see much better, and in a much less crowded section – shorter bathroom and beer lines, more room to spread out…

Seems to me that if they did something to improve traffic flow into and out of the parking lot and maybe even into and off of the interstate, that would improve the overall Trop experience a lot. That plus improving the field itself and maybe modernizing the major hallways would make a huge difference. A whole lot cheaper and easier than building a new stadium too, I would think. But, I’m one of the few people that is best served by the Trop in its current location, and any move would probably mean I go to less games.

by proveyrdifferent on Feb 23, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure who goes to a baseball game for the extracurricular entertainment.

I know some people who don’t really care about the outcome of the game. They go for the social aspect of it. There’s a flow to it that allows you to actually talk to people and mess around without actually missing any action. I can go to baseball games with any of my friends. I can’t say the same about attending Bucs games — it’s too intense of an experience most of the time.

Some of the criticisms of the Trop’s traffic situation are a little overstated. It isn’t any worse than getting out of Ray Jay and trying to get back to St. Pete.

by Suttree on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

IMHO the vast majority of people go to baseball games for something other than the game itself

Its a social event, family gathering, hang out, business get together, etc. And you are exactly right about the difference between football and baseball (although tbh the NFL puts me to sleep). I go to tons of baseball games every year, but it is really more about hanging out with my friends, having a few beers, shooting the shit, relaxing, etc.

Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.

by matthan on Feb 24, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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by walkoff59 on Feb 23, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree with most of this

I think the sightlines suck all the way around the stadium. The angles for the seats are absolutely horrible and in many cases you can barely see certain scoreboards and what not.

Now for the money you spend the seats are pretty good. Factor in that you can move to whatever seat you want and the value is there.

The weather IMHO is not a big deal. Sure it can get hot and musty at night. And sure that may drive away some of the elderly. But so what? The Rays shouldn’t be attempting to make fans of the 65+ crowd. The goal needs to be to make fans of the younger crowds. That is how you build a generational following.

The younger crowds care more about the product, the atmosphere, and it being the ‘hip’ thing to do. Many cases, all of those.

Now if all else were equal I’d prefer air conditioning.

The problem is I don’t see how you can get it inside without making it seem lame. I’m no engineer or architect so who knows.

Put it near a very fun, good looking part of the town, with tons of stuff to do and you’ll see people flock to the stadium. Sure you may lose the older crowd, but they will gain the younger crowd.

Also the rain is not really a factor. I’m sure many of you folks grew up here. How many of your little league baseball games or soccer games got rained out? Now factor in that they were on nonprofessional fields. For those of you that didn’t play or didn’t live around here the answer is that rain outs were few and far between. Yes it happened, but not that often. And many times it was due to a portion of the field not draining properly, whereas on a MLB field that wouldn’t have been an issue.

I think it comes down to this:

Would you rather have better more modern seating….Better location with many more things around the stadium…Better drive…And a higher more sustainable revenue stream for the team?

Or no rain outs, easy parking, air conditioning, lower taxes (probably)?

I can see the arguments for both

Oh BTW: Obama should have given stimulus money to build stadiums. It would have been far more useful than the money pit the bullet train will be.

Can we get robots for umpires and a computer to make in game strategy decisions? I'm sick of inconsistently bad umpiring and Joe's pitiful in game management. Oh and Navi (and BJ) need some PED's. BenZo, Bartlett, and Pena do not.

by matthan on Feb 24, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

I'd be all for putting the Trop on bullet train wheels so that it can barnstorm around the region, including, the soon to be developed

island in the middle of the Bay. Every game, at least one family wouldn’t have to fight the traffic as the stadium could come and plop down in their front yard. I’m sure they’ll still complain that they have to get off of their couch to go outside to walk to the stadium in their front yard, but it’s progress.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem with appealing to a 'hip' 'young' crowd

is that, even if they are successful, the fad will change. what is cool this season may not be cool the next.

Spend all that money for what is the ‘fun, good-looking part of town’ now, at exorbitant prices, and in 5-10 years, we’ll be having this argument all over again, as the fun part of town will have changed because no one ‘cool’ or ‘young’ will be able to afford what was hip 10 years ago.
That’s what happens in neighborhoods – hot spots change because the people who move to a neighborhood and ‘make it cool’ get priced out of the subsequent development. If you put the new stadium in whatever neighborhood seems cool, it’s all but guaranteed to be in a weird ghost-town where people ‘used to hang out back when it was cool" back in the day. Or put it out in the middle of nowhere – like the Toytown idea, and the whole surrounding area will be like a mall. Maybe I have a really different idea of ’hip’ but hanging out in a mall is not it.

What works about appealing to older folks is that they will be less fickle – keep the older baseball fans happy and they will keep returning year after year reliably.

You’re not wrong, per se, just different ways to look at and respond to the problem.

by proveyrdifferent on Feb 24, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

There's one flaw in your argument of keeping the older fans happy and they will return year after year.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 24, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

well yeah

but I mean more “grown ups” not kids easily swayed by a cool neighborhood or a hip experience. not necessarily senior citizens.

by proveyrdifferent on Feb 24, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of figured that's what you meant, just bustin chops

I do agree that if they market to just USF kids, how many of them will move somewhere else after college? And if they just market to St. Pete miscreants, how many will only be able to go after doing their 3-5 bid? As the concert series shows, they know to market to each demographic in certain ways and I wouldn’t think “being hip” plays in to site location for something that costs hundreds of millions of dollars. I do agree with your underlying premise, both here and elsewhere, that cost increases to attend would be very detrimental, but demand should pick up provided they prove to be more than a flash in the pan. Ticket prices have been low to be in-line with modest demand and just to get people in the building. I pray for the day that they can charge more and the fans will pay it, because they want to see one of the most exciting live events in the area, day-in and day-out.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 24, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

in reference to the turf

We are the last team to use Field Turf. Toronto is changing to the new Astro Turf (which is exactly like the Field Turf product). Minnesota is going to a natural grass.

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