Seven Rays Included in Baseball America Top 100 Prospects List
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST
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PrintHere are the Rays that managed to crack the Baseball America Top 100 list:
6. Desmond Jennings, OF18. Jeremy Hellickson, RHP34. Wade Davis, RHP35. Matt Moore, LHP54. Reid Brignac, SS67. Tim Beckham, SS68. Alex Colome, RHP
28. Tim Beckham32. Wade Davis78. Reid Brignac80. Desmond Jennings
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Jeremy Hellickson |
18 |
17 |
10 |
77 |
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Wade Davis |
34 |
15 |
17 |
28 |
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Desmond Jennings |
6 |
6 |
3 |
2 |
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Matt Moore |
35 |
81 |
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Tim Beckham |
67 |
29 |
77 |
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Reid Brignac |
54 |
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Alex Colome |
68 |
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Matt Sweeney |
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68 |
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83 |
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Project Prospect also released their top 100
Most startling was Narwhal at 77, I put together a quick matrix of top 100 lists incl/ BA. Keith Law, PP, and Frankie. If you don’t mind I’ll stick it at the end of the post?
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Excellent. Go for it.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sure seems like PP has some bias right?
(# of players on list x 100) – (aggregate of player ranks)
Results:
BA 418
KL 384
FP 293
PP 210
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Wow! PP's really hatin' on Hellickson!
And not even a rank for Beckham!
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But do you have a sweet Rayhawk like T-Becks?
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I had one.
Now my hair is long but I will prob get a cut soon since it’s warming up.
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Wonder how much this guy failed the Navi challange?
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
*e
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Height?
If you don’t me asking. I’m 6’1" 175 but it’s not a good 175 at all, I have a really skinny frame, I’ve just been shoveling all sorts of bad-for-me stuff into my mouth these last four years(hooray college). I eventually want to settle in around 180, but a “good” 180. If I do get into really good shape I may try out for the US men’s handball team in a few years(not a joke).
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 23, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
No, you ain't tall.
YOU FAT, CUZ!
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just bustin' your balls.
You should train for a 5k.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the same thing
until I went in for a custom fit running shoe. Turned out I have really fat feet but it’s all good now that I got me some new (WIDE) kicks.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I have wide shoes and I have a custom shoe sole thing.
It’s because of my surgery + flat feet + wide feet.
From Yer Scurvy Dog SRQman
You're gonna have to get a brace or something
I cut my leg open sliding into home in a softball game and was off it for 3 months, it still bothers me a lot of the time because I didn’t do proper rehab at the time and have had to work (failure) at rebuilding the muscles since then. Now it’s affecting my hip which worries me going forward. It sucks, but you’ll have to find a way to build the strength back up.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I had a brace but I'm just lazy.
I can play basketball and such it’s just I pay for it afterwords. It’s something I am gonna have to deal with but I can get by.
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For now, my main point was that it's only going to get worse
unless you put some work in now.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I am.
It’s gotten a lot better. It used to hurt just walking but I did therapy and stuff. I can do anything but long running, just straight running.
From Yer Scurvy Dog SRQman
Running in place is good for that sort of thing.
Though, I don’t know if your mom will appreciate hearing you running on the linoleum floor.
NOT IN THE HOUSE
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was in good shape till I had ankle surgery
which lead to me doing nothing for 3 months and made running difficult. I finally am getting back into it now. I hate having to do the elliptical though I feel like a douche.
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Sick!
I love handball. One of my favorite sports, randomly enough, but it’s so tough to find places to play it.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Is it like racquetball?
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No, not at all
I don’t really know how to describe it, except it’s awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWjiOGuDQr8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_handball
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
So it looks like soccer with your hands.
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Yeah, but you can't run with the ball, but you can leap across the scoring line and Jeter it from mid-air
Probably my favorite part playing in HS.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Racquetball is so much better than this.
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Agreed, the last time I was in elite shape was when I was playing 2-3 times a week
Got pretty good, and it’s a ton of fun. I doubt I could play 10 mins now with my lungs shot as they are.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Love racquetball too
But I think watching handball is more fun. I enjoy the euro. championships each January.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
We used to play Euro Handball on a soccer field at Jewish summer camp
Great fun. Played w/ Mike Reiss
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THE MIKE REISS?
Get out. I’ve got his poster on my wall.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dang, you are old
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Will we see you in the Jewish Sports Hall of Fame some day?
Being up there with Jay Fiedler and Sage Rosenfels would be quite the honor.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bahaha at Dean Malenko
Any group that features the man of a million holds needs me in it. Tell me more.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
No love for Kinsler?
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
Yeah, there's a club up in NYC that plays, if I wind up staying in the area after college I'll probably join that
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 23, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
They think he's an injury risk
Which, well, every pitcher is. Yeah, Hellickson’s missed some time(it’s why I like Davis better than him) but the injuries were never major and his stuff was as good as ever at the end of 2009. I think it’s ridiculous to drop him as far as they did because of perceived injury concerns(and for the record, while he was in the FSL, Kiley McDaniel described his mechanics as relatively clean.
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
PP doesn't like Hellickson's injury history
PP also favors high downside over high upside.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Looks like they're getting slammed with traffic
I don’t even think it was this bad at the August signing deadline.
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Across all sources (even the rubes on MLBN), the description of Jennings seems to be that of a surefire stud.
He’s only not ranked #1 because his power ceiling isn’t as high as others, like Heyward and Stanton. But, barring injury (of which every player is at risk), nobody seems to think that Desmond Jennings will end up less than a very good player. Call me optimistic, but the Deezy Factor is why I have no issue with letting Carl go.
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Yeppers
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I disagree
He’s ranked lower because (a) the top 2 are complete studs and should rank higher than Jennings no matter what and (b) injury history (of which his is much more serious than most).
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Why is Stanton a complete stud? Doesn't he have SERIOUS issues making contact?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not Stanton
Heyward and Strasburg
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gotcha.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't call them "serious"
and I definitely wouldn’t put them in all caps. if it was that bad, he wouldn’t be the #3 prospect in the game. he’d be closer to where juan francisco is
What are you disagreeing with, exactly?
It sounds like we’re on the same page…
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I disagree that
“the only reason he’s not ranked #1 is because his power ceiling isn’t as high as the others.”
I think that even if he did have the same power ceiling, he’d still only be #3. The injury history and the other two’s studliness would prevent him from being higher.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So he hits for as much or more in terms of average, is faster, plays better defense, and if he had the same power ceiling, he'd still be behind them?
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by PlayOnWords on Feb 24, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jennings is better in terms of average vs. Stanton
I think the problem here is Brick is saying that even if Jennings’ power ceiling was higher, he would be #3 behind Heyward and Strasburg, whereas PlayOnWords thinks that he means he’d be the #3 hitter behind Heyward and Stanton
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 24, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I would still think Deezy carries a higher injury risk than Heyward
It can happen at any time, but it has happened to him twice. On that note, I can’t wait to watch Stras blow out that elbow.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 24, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
I never said anything about injury risk.
And..
On that note, I can’t wait to watch Stras blow out that elbow.
Shameful. Just shameful.
That would be my reasoning to put him below Heyward, that is all I meant.
Stras already got his pay day, never needs to even step foot on the mound.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 24, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
That and the fact that Heyward's upside is much higher than Deezy's.
You can’t just project injury history on a pitcher without a past of it, though. That’s dumb, and it’s what make sthe PP list almost meaningless.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 23, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You're killing me over here, this is probably the best shoop I've ever seen
LMAO!
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
It was a good run...but my ankle limits my abilities.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Feb 23, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LIES.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot to include the daveh rankings in the grid
BA copied me on Jennings, Hellickson, and Beckham, and was 2 off on brignac, 10 off on Moore, and 13 on Wade.
should i sue?
Team by team breakdown
Angels- 3
Astros- 3
Athletics- 3
Blue Jays- 3
Braves- 4
Brewers- 3
Cardinals- 1
Cubs- 5
Diamondbacks- 1
Dodgers- 2
Giants- 4
Indians- 5
Mariners- 3
Marlins- 3
Mets- 4
Nationals- 3
Orioles- 4
Padres- 4
Phillies- 2
Pirates- 2
Rangers- 4
Rays- 7
Red Sox- 4
Reds- 4
Rockies- 3
Royals- 4
Tigers- 3
Twins- 4
White Sox- 3
Yankees- 2
rays wooop woop
they don’t like KC as much as I do. just realized no Duffy and no Melville in addition to Myers
I'm guessing the Rangers had 3 in the top 30?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I still find it incredible that two reputable rankers found a spot for Sweeney in their top 100
An injury-prone, poor defensive 3B who’s only really hit well in a hitter’s heaven. Just jumps off the page to me as someone I wouldn’t have anywhere near that area. I think I have him as about the #16 Rays prospect.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm sure both sources had Angel Villalona pretty high until he killed a guy
You can’t teach power.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
A .220 ISO isn't that spectacular in the Cali League
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm just trying to find their perspective, because I tend to agree with you.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
How is Davis not higher?
how does he actually drop? after how he looked last year? he’s got to be one of the top 3-5 pitching prospects in the game after a show like that at the ML level…
Did anyone see Bekchams best attribute?
Along with the ranking, each player is listed with their best attribute. Jennings was speed, Davis was fastball, Hellickson was command, and so on. For Beckham, his best attribute was POWER….huh? Just a misprint or is BA under the impression that Beckham is a blossoming power hitter?
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 23, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions
Very true
Why wouldnt they just put “bat” like a lot of the other players. Power is very specific and Ive never once heard him profiled as a future power hitter. Sure maybe 20 hr one day, but I dont think he really has the build for real power. Ive always thought of him as a potential Barry Larkin, as Im sure many of you have as well. But considering his defense is suspect right now and he hasnt shown any real speed, maybe they had to pick something. Still think “bat” would have been a better choice. Then again maybe they see something I/we dont.
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 23, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Did they use bat on guys who had more complete packages?
Or guys with a bit more polish?
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 23, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Here is a breakdown of everyone before Beckham
Power: Stanton, Montero, Alvarez, Santana, Carter, Saunders, Norris, Bell, Frazier, Lawrie, Flowers, (Ike) Davis, …Tim Beckham?
Bat: Heyward, Posey, Ackley, Smoak, (Starlin) Castro, Morrison, Wallace, Taylor, Freeman, Chisenhall, (Jason) Castro, Alonso, Green
In addition to power and bat, there were an occasional “arm,” “speed,” and “defense” sprinkled in. It just seems to be an odd group he’s thrown into, with a bunch of budding corner infielders and outfielders who are projected power hitters. Although I would probably switch a couple of those guys.
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 23, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
He definitely fits more in with the Castro's and Alonso
than Ike Davis and Carter.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Feb 23, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I inquired as to ProjectProspect's concern for Hellickson's mechanics
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I didn't realize Kyle Boddy was back from his hiatus.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 23, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
They have some other internet biomechanical expert
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 23, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You hate that man, don't you?
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 24, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
No
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