Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Bracketology 2012: Duke Finally Steps Up To The No. 1 Line

Why the Rays Underperformed Their WAR numbers (Batting Edition) II


The Rays accounted for 84.9 Park-Adjusted Runs Above Average at the plate in 2009 according to Fangraphs WAR. That is to say, they accounted for about 8.5 Wins Above  Replacement Level at the plate alone, without accounting for Defense (6.95 wins), Pitching (16.9 wins), Replacement (20.7 Wins), and Positional (-2.1). For now let's concern ourselves with the batting number, of 84.9 park-adjusted wRAA. Remember this is based off wOBA (linear weights). This does not account for base/out states or leverage. This solely factor the result of batter vs. pitcher in a vacuum.

 
Instead of using wOBA linear weights, let's consider the team's net change in run expectancies using base/out states (RE24). As a team, the Rays posted a RE24 of 36.29. How does the Rays' wRAA/RE24 relationship stack up when to the rest of the AL with  above-average offenses? 

 

Team PAwRAA RE24 RAA/RE24
Rangers 1.8 10.02 0.18
Angels 91.7 92.77 0.99
Red Sox 98.8 67.67 1.46
Yankees 205.9 130.67 1.58
Blue Jays 48.8 22.24 2.19
Twins 59.9 25.6 2.34
Rays 84.9 31.21 2.72
Indians 38.2 11.21 3.41

 

The 4th column gives an idea of a team's efficiency at stringing together hits or rallies. The Rays were second from the bottom well behind their ALE brothers. Its interesting to note the Rays have hired their new hitting coach, Derek Stanley,  from the only team to struggle worse than them at translating their wOBA talent into real runs.

If we factor in leverage, WPA gives the following:

Star-divide

 

Team

WPA

wRAA

wRAA/WPA

Rangers

0.61

1.8

2.95

Angels

9.46

91.7

9.69

Yankees

12.82

130.67

10.19

Red Sox

4.01

98.8

24.64

Rays

1.38

84.9

61.52

Twins

0.78

59.9

76.79

Blue Jays

-3.08

48.8

-15.84

Indians

-4.64

38.2

-8.23

 

Again, the Rays underperformed their ability in higher leverage situations relative to their ALE brethren. The Rays struggles with run distribution over the season were much discussed in 2009. This further validates that notion. RE24 highlights the struggle to string together rallies, while WPA adds the element of leverage to the discussion. Hopefully, in 2010, the gods of random noise can shine brightly upon the Rays.

Comment 16 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

How should we read these charts?

The Rangers are at the top of both, does that make them the best offense, or the best at putting hits together?

Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow

by Buc Wild on Feb 4, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

but to answer, it shows that they better capitalized on base/out states relative to their offensive talent

Tom Tango on what WPA tell us Tango states its largely distribution luck.

Tango on clutchness:

To conclude: yes, clutch skill exists. No, it’s not that big a deal (at best, half as wide as than the platoon advantage). Correct, teams should not rely on clutch skill in their decision-making process, other than as a tie-breaker.

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Feb 4, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

How much of this is skill?

Is this a skill the Rays don’t have or just bad luck on how our hits were distributed?

by ReyL on Feb 4, 2010 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

by it's definition

luck is not controllable, unless you’re the wife of an Asian dude named Mai Luck.

Mira Sorvino...Paul Walker...T-Pain...Fall 2010...HEADSTONE MAFIA, A LOVE STORY OF REVENGE. "5/5 stars!!!" - DRB User "Andy Hellicksonstine"

by PlayOnWords on Feb 4, 2010 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that's interesting.

Could this just be the result of 1 or 2 guys who were consistent rally killers – but were left in time and time again. Watching the games I felt that if Navi or PtB came up with two outs it was almost guaranteed to be inning over. I don’t think the Yankees and Red Sox had such persistent deadbeats. Maybe Varitek for a little while was like that.

by pcbredemeier on Feb 4, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

RE24-wRAA

A positive # indicates the player outperformed in critical base/out states from their wOBA

Top 3
BJ Upton 3.17
Zo 2.06
Barty .005

Bottom 5
Navi -15.05
PTB -11.49
CC -8.6
Longo -4.52
Aybar -4.27

*Remember this is not to say Upton excelled with critical base/out states, so much as that he outperformed his wOBA.

*Navi was at -23.4 wRAA and -38.45 RE24. Gotta love those double plays.

*CC’s inclusion at the bottom was surprising.

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

I'm assuming, maybe with the exception of Navi,

that these numbers aren’t predictive, right?

on Twitter @CubsStats23

by BWoodrum on Feb 4, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Double plays will punish your RE24 far worse than wOBA where its just a failed PA

But largely, I would not think so. Just trying to shed some light onthe sotry of 2009’s failures.
Stolen base attempts impact RE24, not sure if Fangraphs incorporates them into thieir wOBA.

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Feb 4, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

wRAA is runs and WPA is wins

Although you would get the same numbers anyway(different decimal place) I find it easier if you convert wRAA into wins or wWAA. The simple way is to just divide wRAA by 10.

rzar.wordpress.com

by RZ on Feb 4, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Another Note on Navi:

Worst RE24 in MLB by over 10 runs from the 2nd worst. Thats a full win worse than anyone else.

Navi -38.45
Cesar Izturis -28.73 (His glove is a 1 win glove at SS)
Yuni -24.2
Bonifacio -24.67

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Feb 4, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Of the bottom 8 in wRAA, only Navi fell by more than 4 runs (15)

Edgar Renteria RE24 was 16 runs higher than his wRAA. Navi absolutely killed this team last year.

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Feb 4, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Worse than Yuni

WHEN WILL THE BLEEDING STOP

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 4, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

When donuts stop being stuffed with jelly

http://citrusjuicing.com/ An SRQ focused-Tampa Bay area sports blog

by CubFanRaysaddict on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Founded in 2005, DRaysBay is home to, "Progressive statistical analysis and reasoned argument."

Please read our Community Guidelines.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Zobrist vs Pedroia vs Cano
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #31 Runoff

Recent FanPosts

Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #37
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #35
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #34
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #33
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #32
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #31
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #30 (Again)
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #30 Runoff

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff, The Hall of Fame, and 400 Home Runs
ESPN Chat with Matt Moore
Danny Clyburn: 1974-2012
Joe Maddon Town Hall Contest
Hickey said as of now all of the starters -- Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann,...
White Sox sign Dan Johnson
Indians acquire Canzler
Justin Ruggiano to Elect Free Agency
Dougdirt over at MinorLeagueBall compiled John Sickels' rankings with WAR values from Victor Wang's research.

Thread here.
The increasingly desperate search for offense has caused some teams to...

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

DRB Fantasy Baseball

Friends of the Site

DRB Suggestion Box

Drb4_medium


Managers

Slowsky__1__small Steve Slowinski

Dad_small Jason Collette

Brad_small BWoodrum

Price_small Erik Hahmann

Analysts

Lob-city_design_small rglass44

Untitled_small EminenceFront

Small Mulva

Rutg_uakjmedjwh9ndzd4lkll_small Imperialism32

100_1952_small MrNegative1

Steak-with-crown_small CBJones

Whelk_small Whelk

Small PGP

Scaled_php_small mr. maniac

Tampa_theatre_small jcmitchell

Me_small John Gregg