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Rays Projected WAR - 2010

With some of the recent results from Spring Training possibly clouding our judgment on players I thought it would be wise to step back and take another look at what the various projection systems think of our baseballers.  The methodology is quite simple, I used a weighted average of the Bill James, CHONE, & Marcel projection systems to come up with an estimate of wOBA.  I used Jeff Zimmerman's outrageously spectacular UZR Projections to come up with that component.  For replacement adjustments, I used the (20/600)*PA that Fangraphs uses at the link to the left. One caveat, the Rays, like a lot of teams, have guys that can play all over the diamond.  For these guys, I used either the position they've played the most in the past (Aybar) or where I think they will get the most playing time this season (Zobrist).  Additionally, the positional adjustments are based on 162 games played at a position (rare) and the UZR is based on 150 games played.  Feel free to download the excel file,   Rays 2010 Projected WAR
or follow along with this Google Doc.  Here is a summary with the position that each player was adjusted for:

Name
Longoria
Zobrist
Upton
Crawford
Bartlett
Shoppach
Pena
Rodriguez
Navarro
Aybar
Joyce
Brignac
Kapler
Burrell
Blalock
Pos
3B
2B
CF
LF
SS
C
1B
2B
C
3B
RF
SS
RF
DH
1B
 WAR 
   6.5
   5.4
   3.9
   3.4
   3.3
   3.0
   3.0
   2.2
   1.9
   1.8
   1.5
   1.3
   1.0
   0.5
   0.3

Star-divide

Let's go down the list starting with Longo.  If you don't know, now you know, but Evan Longoria projects to be an absolute stud this year.  His 0.382 wOBA would lead the team if all of these projections come to fruition, but, he also plays a position that wouldn't be called "easy."  His team-high UZR of 12 is what really takes him from a pretty good hitter to an all-around candidate for best in the game. 

For Ben Zobrist, I made the assumption that he would be playing mostly 2B this year, which did give him a little boost in the positional adjustment.  If he was still a 7 UZR right fielder he would lost a lot of value.  Luckily, between the concept of position-neutral defense and his prior performance there, we can assume that Zobie would have an increased UZR in RF to offset the positional adjustment.  That said, his bat plays wherever he lines up in the field.  The projections have him as the 3rd highest wOBA on the team.  This really puts things in perspective about how good Longo is.  Zobie is projected to win us 5.4 games this year, which would make him a lock for the All-Star team and get his name bandied about in the MVP discussion.  Longo is over an entire win better!  Go back and re-read that.  If anyone is wondering who the "core" is on this team, I think these two would be a good start.

Which brings us to everyone's favorite whipping boy and a key member of "the nucleus."  If Longo is a big, bad Proton and Zobrist is the Neutron, then B.J. Upton is the electron.  Flying around at incredible speeds, he might not be as big as his brethren, but he makes sure to cover everything under the sun.  Beej is projected to have an above-average season at the plate as showcased by his .346 wOBA, but it is his glove at the most important grassy position that makes him our 3rd best player.  His 3.9 wins would have him in the All-Star discussion and would go a long way towards making him lots of money next year.

Craw would have our 4th highest WAR if all of this is remotely accurate (the projections, not the calculations.)  He's basically Beej at the plate, and even though he has the second highest UZR on the team, he is hurt pretty hard by playing LF.  This again shows how guys that play premium positions, don't have to be quite as good with the glove.  Craw is a good hitter, we know this, he's also great with the glove, but by playing a position that traditionally has a + Bat/- Glove guy he does lose some value.

Jason Bartlett is up next.  If you've opened either of the downloads at the top you can really see how impactful these positional adjustments can be.  They are projecting Bartlett to be an above-average hitter at the same level as Kelly Shoppach and slightly better than Sean Rodriguez and Willy Aybar, but because he projects to be basically a league-average SS with the glove he ends up with the same WAR as Carl Crawford.

Kelly Shoppach checks in at 3.0 WAR despite only being projected for 392 PA's.  Note that defense does not factor into WAR for catchers which could slide him up or down the scale.  As is, he benefits from the highest positional adjustment giving him another 1.25 wins.  Compared to last years negative WAR behind the dish?  Yes please!

Again, we can see how important these adjustments are with Carlos Pena.  Everyone knows the guy can bring it with the bat and he would have our second highest wOBA if this plays out, but he loses the exact amount that Shoppach gained just based on his positional adjustment.  Zimmerman does have him as around 1 run in the negative for his UZR, but that could be another place that can pick up his WAR a little bit with a good year. 

There's a big gap between Carlos Pena and the next player we will look at.  Sean Rodriguez checks in slightly above league average at 2.2 WAR.  In this scenario I've got him playing 2B for an entire season, but we know that that is highly unlikely with his positional flexibility and on Ben Zobrist, whom thrived at that position last year.  Rodriguez basically has the same bat as Jason Bartlett and could be a good option over at SS if he can show the glove.  Jeff Zimmerman has him as a +1 SS, defensively, and in fact, I had to make a little bit of a guess for Sean at 2B as there is no data for past performance from that position. 

It's a good thing Dioner Navarro can imitate a catcher behind the plate, because his projected wOBA of .304 is the worst on the team.  The adjustments put him just below league-average player status at 1.9 WAR, but Shopp looks to be everything that Navi can be and then some.  They've actually got Navi projected to get more plate appearances, though, so we'll see how it goes. 

Willy Aybar checks in next and basically hits like S-Rod, except because he demonstrated that when he plays second he might as well be playing on ice, he gets whacked pretty hard on the adjustments.  I've got him at 3B, but hopefully we won't have to see him for an entire season over there. 

Matty Joyce and Reid Brignac are pretty much polar opposites that are very close in WAR, 1.5 to 1.3, respectively.  Joyce projects to be a very nice hitter putting up the same wOBA as Craw, while being decent with the glove, but not spectacular.  Briggy has our second worst wOBA, but because he can play one of the most demanding positions in the game, he gets quite a bit of help.  Zimmerman actually has him as a -3 UZR over 150 games, but his sample at the Majors is so small that you can basically think of him as league-average until we see more. 

Now we get down to the guys that look to be worth 1 win or less.  These should ideally be F.A.T. that you hope works out, but don't really care as it's roster filler.  Kapler at least is the good kind of roster filler as he projects to be a great glove in RF at +6 UZR.  His bat is slightly above league-average, but they only see him getting 288 PA's this year which brings down his wRAA and replacement values.  With more playing time, Kapler could be a good option.  Pat Burrell gets crushed by the positional adjustment as DH's lose almost 2 entire wins just by not being able to play the field.  If Burrell does end up netting .5 WAR it would be a lot better than the -.5 he put up last year, although we would then be paying him about $18M a win this year.  Hank Blalock is our last player in this little game.  His bat is about the same as Kapler's but he's relegated to 1B, hurting him overall.  He isn't awful, but he's slightly below league average. 

I left off Ruggiano, Jennings, Dan Johnson, and a host of others, because there were no projections for these players.  I have no given you all that you need to do your own WAR calculations, so perhaps you would like to make some estimates for these guys and plug them into the forumlas.  The excel download is very good for this as all you have to do is enter data into cells to see how various adjustments would work.

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" If Longo is a big, bad Proton and Zobrist is the Neutron, then B.J. Upton is the electron. "

Electrons are also notorious for disappearing on the job.

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by PlayOnWords on Mar 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm saying nada. Got me in trouble last time. :)

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by pslieber on Mar 15, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd. Great stuff!

"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY

by pslieber on Mar 15, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Great work, Andy!

I can’t wait to see the season finally start!

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by BWoodrum on Mar 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks guys

I just figured that it’s important to remember that what these guys do this season will probably come closer to what you see above than what they’ve done in a few weeks of warm up games. That said, Sean Rodriguez stepping in as an average player that can play all over the place is going to be very exciting once he gets his chance. I’d almost rather see him start in Durham to get the extra year, no matter how well he does.

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I always feel joy when I see Zobrist,

Its like a giant man crush all the time. To think we got him for only Aubrey Huff….what a steal

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Mar 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Rodriguez's bat != Bartlett's bat

Not sure how to evenly compare StB’s minor league numbers (ISO, wOBA) to compare them to Bartlett’s, but the lowest his ISO has ever been when he got 250 PA or more was .171 (that was 2007, also in the largest single season sample size and in AA, with 582 PA). Jason Bartlett’s highest .ISO was last season at .170. So at his WORST StB slugs about what Bartlett does at his BEST.

While I don’t know how to convert minor league wOBA to ML using the equivalents (I’s also too lazy to calculate what his career minor league wOBA is, since it’s not listed on fangraphs) Rodriguez appears to be able to post something in the .370s at least, based on his minor league numbers. Excluding last season, Bartlett had never gotten above 335 in a major league season. Without doing more calculations, I really do think that StB’s bat is better, while Bartlett is better defensively.

Please forgive the fuzzy math I’ve done. If you can figure legit numbers to back me up/disagree please do.

by staplemaniac on Mar 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Expecting Sean Rodriguez to wOBA around .370 in his first full season would be crazy talk.

.370 would be the 4th highest wOBA on our team according to the projections. He is not there yet. He is going to strike out a ton as he has at every level. All those strikeouts that Bartlett turns into singles or doubles have a huge effect. Yes, he has power by the gallon, but the projections don’t see that translating in his first season. It’s quite possible, and I hope so, that he exceeds these projections that have a very limited sample to draw from, but I would think that .336 would be a good mean between the optimism and pessimism that I have seen thrown around when his name is brought up.

Here’s a pretty good example that I just looked up. Last year, two teammates had a tied wOBA of .336*. One of them put up this triple slash: .303/.364/.393 the other had this: .265/.329/.447. They are Skip Schmaker and Ryan Ludwick, respectively, of the St. Louis Cardinals. I would expect Bartlett to be pretty close to the former and S-Rod to be pretty close to the latter. I think this is a pretty good real world comparison of why wOBA is so good. Those are completely different batter profiles, yet, they were worth about the same at the plate.

*These are from Fangraphs, so they include base stealing as well.

Three guys that did wOBA exactly .370 last year were Robinson Cano, Andre Ethier, and Mike Cuddyer. I’m really not quite ready to put him in with that group of excellent bashers.

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 15, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this might actually be a good idea to give folks an idea of what these wOBAs look like

Player wOBA Comparables
Longoria 0.382 Beltran
Zobrist 0.372 C. Lee
Upton 0.346 Butler, Cano, Hart, Rowand
Crawford 0.345 Blake, Loney, Griffey
Bartlett 0.337 DeJesus
Shoppach 0.337 DeJesus
Pena 0.373 V. Guerrero (.374)
Rodriguez 0.336 Winn
Navarro 0.304 Feliz
Aybar 0.334 Kotchman
Joyce 0.345 Blake, Loney, Griffey
Brignac 0.316 Pierzynski
Kapler 0.330 Scutaro
Burrell 0.341 Bartlett
Blalock 0.331 Beltre, Iwamura, J. Guillen
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2009&month=12

The basis behind this is to compare the projected wOBA to guys that matched that number over the last 3 calendar years. A lot (probably most) fans associate talent with a name rather than a number. This might be more informative as to what to expect out of these guys.

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! Zob = C Lee!

That really puts things into perspective!

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by BWoodrum on Mar 15, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's a good method for comparing his minor league wOBAs with projected ML wOBAs?

I was mislead by the fangraphs page where he had wOBAs of over 350 at 5 stops, and over 400 at 3. Didn’t account for sample size, and I still have no idea how to compare minor league numbers to what would be projected at the major league level.

by staplemaniac on Mar 16, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

WAR-FROM A C

CRAZY TALK. Getting 3 WAR from Shoppach would be nifty.

But wouldn’t be surprised if some of those numbers go up like Longoria pushing 8 WAR and Crawford & Pena in contract years, generally means big things. Joyce’s WAR seems a bit low, not much offense expected?

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by Transplanted on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

392 plate appearances and RF adjustment hurt him

I agree that these numbers are probably a little conservative as I’m sure each projection system tries to account for injury. Also, it’s not like most of these guys even have an established baseline, outside of Crawford, Burrell, and Kapler. As I mentioned, feel free to plug in your own numbers if you take the 4 seconds to download the workbook.

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notice that's 15 bats.

Which is about 2 too many. I’ve done the same as above for the Yanks and Red Sox and will do a post this afternoon about it if you’re interested.

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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