DRB Commissioner League Update
Sorry for being an absentee commish of late, but the real world has been killer this week.
So after last week's thread I have the league pretty much figured out. Below the jump I have what we have so far.
Stats:
5x5 standard with OBP instead of average.
Positions:
C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, 3 OF, UTIL
For pitchers we need to decide between 3 SP and 3 RP (or some combo) and 6 P.
I'm thinking 5 bench spots with 2 DL spots. That's a total of 20 guys I believe.
Draft:
Extended draft. Starting the beginning of next week (Sunday or Monday ideally). The extended draft will be great because you can look at a schedule and know if you need to set your queue or not.
The season starts on 4/4 which is about 2 weeks away from then, so we'd need to complete a little over a round a day which is feasible unless we wanted to push the start-date back for the league (I'm good either way).
Keeper/contracts:
This is the sticking poitn I'm having trouble with. With 24 teams, the 1st pick is a ton better than the last. I'm having a hard time coming up with a contract scedule for the picks. I tried decreasing incrementally, but it's not easy. I was thinking if anyone else has experience in this type of league any insight would be great.
From there we can decide on contracts and the like (as I think that's the easy part).
Playoffs:
4 division winners play for the DRB Title or we can do 6 divisions with 2 WCs. I prefer the former.
Payouts:
$24x50=$1200
League Champ: $600
WS Loser: $200
Best Reg. Season Record: $200
4 division winners: $50
or
League Champ: $350
WS Loser: $150
Best Regs. Season record: $150
6 Division winners: $75
2 WC winners: $50
Minor-leaguers:
The MiLB draft will be done offline over a series of time after the real draft. You will have 10 prospects each I think.
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Any more questions or requests please post in the comments. Thanks guys!
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For the open items above:
Positions – I’m in favor of 6P, vs set amounts of SP and RP. I like the roster construct you presented.
Draft – I’d agree we need to start soon, so either Sunday or Monday, and I say we mandate a pace to be done before games begin.
Playoffs – I’m fine with either division format, but would suggest that either way we use something more akin to the first payout system (so in the second scratch pmts to the WC’s and use those funds for the winner).
I’ll give the keeper question some more analysis before I opine on that one.
That's the tricky part.
I was thinking a linear pay scale may not be the solution. That will make it hard to have everyone around the same opening payroll figure…
Hmmm…
Just realized that. We may need to go linear.
How about this for the keeper system
We use the auction values in the CBSS draft kit as the dollar value assigned for each player, players not listed will be worth $1.
At the end of the season you will have a budget of $75 dollars to use to retain players. To retain the player for one year, he will cost the dollar amount assigned. To retain the player for two more years, he will cost 2.5X his assigned value, to retain for three years will be 4X his value.
The maximum amount of players retained is 5.
All players not retained are in the draft pool for next year, draft works as usual with last place team getting the #1 pick. Teams that choose to retain less than 5 players will have extra draft choices at the end of the draft. At the end of season two, the same process repeats (new $75 to spend to retain additional players who weren’t on multi year contracts already).
This should allow people to retain their top picks on one year deals (meaning two years of service on their team), and some younger/cheaper talent on multi year deals.
hows about a 6 team playoff?
2 wild cards and the top two seeds get byes?
keeper rules…
i just had this thought, it might be really—really—stupid, but here it goes:
there are 480 picks in the draft.
pick #1 is $480 dollars. pick 2 is $479. and so on until pick 480 is $1 (as i type this is sounds stupider)
any who that’s a total of $115440. So cut that in half for a keepable budget and we have: $57720. That seems like too much, so lets make it 1/4 and it’s close to 29K. hand out 1 2 and whatever year contracts and keep up to that amount.
Obviously the numbers are irrelevant but hey, it;s just an idea.
OR
Make a set number of keepers and make them be kept according to the round they were selected in. in this scenario, everything is tradeable including picks. Pujols is picked in the 1st round, he’s a 1st round player next year (year 2). Price in the 12th, he’s a 12th next year. for year 3, you take year 2’s value (price in the 12) and year 3’s projected value (let’s say a 6) and average them. Price’s value year 3 is a 9th round pick.
This is the way I’ve done my other league for the last 5 or so years. We run it off of a spreadsheet. I can link the google doc if anyone’s interested in seeing how we do it.
The problem with the first proposition is that it fails to capture
gaps in value. For instance, Pujols may be the consensus first pick, but the next pick is debatable. Thus Pujols’ true value may be $480, but the next pick might actually be work $455 or so.
I don’t think I fully understand the second proposition.
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I agree
here is the link to a google doc for the league with the 2nd option
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Apu13IsGw4xbdHBVNFhyZ0VEcGEtenBGSmdJMFIybUE&hl=en
i think it opens on 2007, but you can look at any years draft and 2010 has the keepers listed but not the draft. it also has teams with rosters for each year. I’m sure it looks pretty complicated, but i don think it’s a pretty good system if you want to have a set number of keepers for each team. if you have any questions, let me know.
Many publications have mock salaries. You can have both a salary cap for the overall roster and/or a keeper league cap as well. You can limit by contracts as well or the number of keepers you can have. Personally I don’t think that’s needed. If there is an overall cap of say 350 then we can have a keeper cap of say 150. Fill the 150 with a few or a lot…that’s the strategy in it
Go Gators!!
by matthan on Mar 19, 2010 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the draft, we could do a modified snake draft
We used this in our BtB Ball on a Budget league. Here’s how it looks:
Round 1: Pick 1 through Pick 24
Round 2: Pick 24 through Pick 1
Round 3: 1 through 24
Round 4: 24 through 1
Round 5: 1 through 24
Rounds 6 and beyond: 24 through 1
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Mar 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Also, I won't be able to draft until Monday
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Mar 19, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if anyone brought up the idea of doing anything but a snake draft
Am I missing something?
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 20, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Why a sep minor league draft?
I don’t understand this at all. So what do we do if a minor leaguer is promoted? Drop someone?
And why should I be penalized when drafting if I’d rather draft a minor leaguer for keeper reasons ahead of a major leaguer? I shouldn’t be at the mercy if the minor league draft
I think it is far more fair to just have a 25 or 30 man roster…every player is eligible
Go Gators!!
by matthan on Mar 19, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
squares and rectangles
you can draft a minor leaguer in the major league draft, but you cant draft a major leaguer (more than 130 abs or 50 ip) in the minor league draft.
draft minor leaguers wherever you want, but if you draft them in the MLB draft then they cant be on your MiLB roster.
Thanks for saying something.
I didn’t realize I had it set for today. Switched it to 8 AM start Monday, but I may move it to noon start.
Was thinking I’ll have the robot going from 7 AM to 10 PM. That means the draft will be “dead” during the other hours. How long should we give people to make their pick before the robot takes over during “live” hours? You receive an email when you’re up.
I'd prefer to make my picks in the evening
I’ll be doing some field work out in Florida all next week and probably won’t have internet access almost the entire time.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You can set your queue and just check in.
We need to avg. like 3ish picks a day I think, so we need to fly. Can you checkin periodically?
After work probably, at least the first couple of days I'll be in a good hotel
After that I’m in a shitty one that I’m not expecting to have internet. I could always post it on DRB via my phone. It might not be a bad idea to periodically post who’s been drafted in a fanpost, then maybe I could just put my pick there.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
League members?
I know I’ve seen about half a dozen e-mails about guys who have dropped out. Are we replacing them? Or are we shrinking the league size down to 16 or 20 depending on how many people are left?
We replaced a couple.
I’m not replacing anymore now. We have 21, so I’m imagining someone won’t pay and we’ll go down to 20.
I'm working on it, have to move somethings around, the checks in the mail, I ran out of gas, my mama's sick
I’M SORRY.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we get a list of those whose payment have gone through?
I’ve tried to pay mine, but I’m not sure if you got it or not.
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I see it was moved back
just ignore me.
by staplemaniac on Mar 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Glass, can you remove me from the league?
I just got word I’m going to be sent to South Florida for the rest of the week and won’t have acces to draft. Sorry.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Nah man, I'll just be dead money.
I’m swamped at work and havent had time to even begin to rank players or set a queue.
Very sorry.
One more year Brett. One more year.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 23, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Housekeeping notes:
I input the rules I think we agreed on.
I looked at the auction values that CBS outlines, and I did a “mock draft” which basically consisted of me going down their list and having a snake draft with each person picking the next best player with no regard for positions. By doing this each team ended up around 370 mill. in salaries. So from there we should start to get an idea about how much we want to allow as keepers. Should this dollar value have any effect on the first year draft (I don’t think so, but don’t really care)? We also need to decide on contracts.
My thoughts:
21 roster spots- (2) 4-year contracts, (4) 3-year contracts, (6) 2-year contracts, and the rest 1 year deals.
I think we should have a salary cap of $370 mill.
When a player’s contract expires you have 2 “franchise tags” where you can protect them for 1 year. They can’t be traded/dropped until after the AS break that year, and they can’t be franchised two years in a row. The franchise tag should pay the player a set amount, the avg. of their position, or the previous year’s salary times like 120%.
Minor leaguers called up are the rookie min. ($1 mill?) their first year, then they double the next two ($2, then $4). After their third year they are a FA. The first year for our purposes is the first year they are on your active roster (i.e. the year you call them up). So using Wade Davis as an example, if I had called him up last year he would have been $1 last year and $2 this. I also could have kept him as a MiLB player, and if I choose to call him up this year he’d be a dollar. I also have the option of stashing him in the minors all year, but once he loses rookie eligibility you have to either bring him up to the big club or ditch him that offseason.
We’re down to 18 unless PMCY decides he really is a puss. Of that 9 people have paid (including myself), and I haven’t heard from anyone that hasn’t paid asking for a loan. If things keep going this way, then we may be able to do a regular draft or auction as opposed to an extended one. Like I said, at midnight tonight I’m booting people. Depending on numbers, I may open up spots that will paypal me immidiately or just decide to push the draft back if we can do one where we can do it all in one night.
PAY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
the "million" is just a frame of mind yes?
the number of multi-year contracts is not a minimum, it’s a maximum, yes?
i remember there being mention of being able to keep free agents at the end of the year by bidding on them in the off season. is this still the situation? I’m a bit hazy on that. the fewer people we get the better players will be in the pool. i’d be for only being able to keep thise on your team.
i’m sure cbs changes it’s auction values before the season starts, we should decide on a set list and keep that for record.
sorry if this is nitpicky, just trying make things clear.
It's fine we need to have a good set of rules in place.
Contracts are maximum number. We can increase those numbers if people like.
All FAs (that aren’t franchised) will be bid on in the offseason. If you have a multiyear contract available you can assign it to any of the FAs you sign.
The day of the draft will be the auction list we use. In all honesty, if people don’t pay and we’re down to 10/12/14 (hell maybe even 16) teams, then I wouldn’t be opposed to just doing an auction. It makes the contract values more representative. I did a 16 team auction last night in 4 hours. That’s long, and we may have trouble lining up schedules, but it wouldn’t be that bad.
Auction?
The issue with doing an auction is everyone has to be on. You can’t set an effective queue and if you auto your effectively punting cause you’ll end up with 1/4 of your budget unused. So, if were gonna do that we’ve gotta come up with a draft date early . . . that’ll work for 16+ people. Not an easy thing to do.
by ShawnTSA on Mar 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather do a regular draft split up over 2 days, we could do the first 2/3rds the first night and the last 1/3rd and minor leaguers the next night
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like we could do the regs. draft in one night then the MiLB portion in a fanshot or something.
That might work, I could do it Saturday or after 7:30 all next week
I’ve got a couple of jobs to do that are going to crush my daylight hours, but I think after 7:30 should work well for me and most others.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be against an auction
I’ve only done snake drafts before, and I’m hesitant to have my first try be on a money league with multi-year implications
I mean a draft.
I’m not typing what I’m thinking.
only reason i'm against this current form
for snake draft with set auction values is it takes away the penelty for drafting prospects early. stephen strasburg for example. i didnt see him on the auction value sheet, but lets assume a value of 5ish dollars. in the current form he’ll be drafted waaaay early. i could literally see someone taking him in the 2nd/3rd round because his value wont correspond with his selection in the draft. (if someone really believes in the longevity of the league i could totally see punting this year for the next 3-4 of cheap prospect studs. hellickson, jennings too in this league especially. shouldn’t there be price for ‘reaching’ for a player, conversely, shouldn’t a player who ‘slips’ be awarded a discount.
yes, an auction solves this problem. is there any way to do an extended auction. maybe a set order for players to be nominated for the first 10 rounds then we can all be in a room for the remainder. set a time limit of 15-30 min per player. and if you know when a player will be up for auction you can be there or set your numbers for a accurate pick.
i’m sure this wont work, but i just like to suggest things that aren’t possible so as to add confusion.
Well if it ends up being 10 of us an auction wouldn't be a huge time commitment.
You can also do mock auctions for people that haven’t done them.
Can we get a solid format?
I’m uneasy paying $50 and not knowing what I’m getting into. I’ve been reading everything posted regarding draft and scoring formats and can’t find anything to be conclusive.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
Pretty sure everything is conclusive, but not knowing numbers makes it hard to dictate what we are doing.
It’s not like your money just vanishes. You know where to find me.
Yeah, on a boat sailing to Venezuela
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 23, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
its like
you don’t know how many you have til everyone pays.
and not everyone’s payin til they know what the draft is gonna be like, or when it will be.
did the chicken or the egg come first?
can the draft be moved back to next week?
make the deadline for payment tomorrow or the next day. then those who have paid can determine how it will work.
Can we start the draft at night...?
I just realized that I can’t get on to CBS at work now, so that would make it difficult to draft during weekdays for me.
yeah, there needs to be a set draft date and method before i shell out $50
sorry. but thats how it is. i didn’t want it to be 50 anyhow
This is how I feel
I want to, but I don’t know what’s going on
by staplemaniac on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Sack up people.
How many are actually in? How many are out?
I’m tired of dealind with a bunch of wavering pussies. Get in or get out, but let’s get the damn show on the road. It’s hard to plan this crap when people won’t put up.
I'm in
A 16 team league wouldn’t be so bad, good for 2 or 4 divisions, still a nice size pot. Still plenty of talent on each team and the draft won’t take weeks.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
set a deadline and post it here and on the league board
whoever aint paid by then is out. then let the rest of us decide the draft time and style.
if we’re using a auction keeper system, i suggest using an auction draft. if we use a pick based draft i suggest a pick system. that is all.
I'm in, just waiting now
I’m paid and ready to go. The earlier we decide a draft/auction date the better for me. I’ve got a funky schedule – nights/mornings/weekends it’s all over the place, but it’s also very flexible, so if I’ve got a weeks notice it shouldn’t be an issue.
SOunds good.
I’m in Vegas now, and I don’t feel like babysitting. Sorry if that was harsh, but I was tired and frustrated. Sunday I get back. That will be the deadline. AT that point if you still haven’t paid, you’re booted and we’ll go from there.
SUNDAY AT NOON YOU EITHER NEED TO PAY ME OR CONTACT ME ABOUT PAYMENT
on the league page the draft is set sunday noon.
obviously it’s not happening then, but will it mess up if you dont change the date by then?
Paypall is giving me shit
don’t boot me.
by staplemaniac on Mar 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in, but I'll let my $50 speak for itself.
(‘Cause I’ve already paid.)
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Since Glass is in Vegas snorting coke off a stripper's ass
How about we start working out the details on draft type and date. Please only people that have paid opine on this. From what it sounds like above we are looking at a more traditional deep league of 14ish teams.
For the sake of suggesting something would Tuesday or Wednesday night at 8pm work for a live draft for people? I’m indifferent to auction/traditional format.
I'm indifferent for the style, excited for the league!
Also, a weekend draft date would definitely be easier for me, because I have night classes.
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Tuesday . . .
would work great for me. Wednesday night I’ve got the playoffs in one of my softball leagues and if all goes well I’ll be playing till after 10pm and then boozing it up with the trophy after that.
tuesday not so much for me. monday too. any other day/night=good
i said it a little higher up, but if we want to use the auction method for keeping players, we should do an auction draft. the two styles have a difficult time meshing.
auction draft takes longer, but is very fun. mock auctions are on all major sites i think and if you’ve never done it i’d suggest doing one ALL THE WAY THROUGH to get the feel. it’s really important to practice the whole thing, because the end of the draft turns into a snake draft essentially and you never want to leave money on the table.
Really would prefer the snake draft
I know for keeper purposes there are advantages to an auction, but playing for stacks in an unfamiliar format makes me a little nervous. I’ll do whatever (and I’ve started doing the mock auctions to practice) but it’s definitely my preference to do snake
Another thought
If we’re dropping down to 14-16 teams we can go a lot deeper on the rosters if we want to. Something like a MIF, a CI, 5 OF and 8 or 9 pitchers maybe. If we only have 14 teams, 20 man rosters is gonna make for a stacked waiver wire.
Any night will work for me.
Mornings not so good. Too much early thinking involved.
Larger rosters sound good.
As for keeper rules, I’m ok with whatever you come up with.
Also
I prefer traditional over auction draft.But will go with the flow.
How about Saturday, April 3rd, something like 8pm as the draft date?
Sounds like weekdays may be difficult. Also puts us just before the season start which I like.
As others have said above, with less teams, deepening the roster makes sense.
That or the 4th
Both nights would work well for me, and I think 8’s a good time
The 3rd or the 4th are good.
Both would also work for me as long as it’s in the evening. With the 4th being Easter I think the 3rd might work better though.
That's good for me.
That would mean I’m going to be doing fantasy drafts all day, which kind of sounds exciting and horrifying at the same time.
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Sat the 3rd is fine w/ me, but no chance we can do it earlier than 8? I just want to be able to go out sat. night. Guess it also depends if we envision the draft going longer than 2 hours
by LoL@MyLackOfSportsKnowledge on Mar 26, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Sunday would probably work better for me, but I could do Saturday night if that's what we come up with.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
"Go out"?
I don’t get it. An out is when the ball is caught in the air or thrown to first base in time.
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so i really really hate the way cbs is set up
so i’m probably not in. srsly, its terrible. there’s not even a method as to which minor leaguers they have in the database. fuckin amateurs. not paying fifty for that.
Oh come on man
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
we dont have to use cbs for MiLB players
just have the commish keep track of it in an excel sheet. post as a google doc and give everyone the link and we can all keep track that way.
I agree that CBS is pretty craptastic
I’m still in though. Where’s rglass? His unofficial payment deadline was noon today, I figured we’d get an update. We need to get the last few details and draft date firmed up. Is he still blowin’ our money in Vegas? It didn’t strike me until after I paid but it probably wasn’t the most fiscally responsible thing for the league to do – send all the cash to the guy headed to Vegas for the weekend?!?!
this is what bradley cooper did in the hangover.
only he took his money from schoolchildren, not draysbayers
I put all of y'alls money on the Rays over 89.5 wins, then I put $100 on them to win the series at 17-1.
Figured the pot would be more fun that way. amirite?
I'm BACCCCKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m going to look at my paypal, this thread, and the league website and see what’s up. Expect a new fanshot with a list of people who have paid, so we can get the draft set in the next few hours (depending on how my bosses felt about my absense last week).
I need one more person for the adjunct DRB league
Draft tonight at 9
Holler at me if you’re avail.
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