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Would Edwar Ramirez Interest the Rays?

I tweeted it; Dave Cameron did too. Bobr fanshot'd it and sternfan1 hated it. I'm willing to bet when the news broke that most of us thought of it...the Rays should look at Edwar Ramirez.

Over the weekend, the Yankeesdesignated the 28-year-old righty for assignment, making room for former Rays' target, Chan Ho Park. To the casual Rays fan, Ramirez is that skinny pitcher on the Yankees with funny glasses.

In his 98.1 innings for New York, Ramirez has been a replacement level reliever. His career ERA is 5.22 and his fielding independent pitching (FIP) is 5.19. The reason he has been replacement level is because he struggles with walks and home runs. For his career, he owns a walks per nine innings (BB/9) of 5.13 and a home runs per nine innings (HR/9) of 1.76. For most pitchers, this is a request to play for the Newark Bears.

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The walks are a concern, but the home run rate does raise some "bad luck" questions. A fly-ball pitcher (48.7% FB career), his home run-to-fly ball ratio (HR/FB) is 14.8%. A quick estimate says that number should be closer to 11%.

Despite his relatively average velocity (89.3 MPH fastball), Edwar boasts a career strikeouts per nine innings (K/9) of 10.62. This has kept employed and what will ultimately land him his next job.

Ramirez does most of his work with that average fastball and a change-up. He throws both pitches a combined 91% of the time; however, it is the change-up that is behind the elevated strikeout rates.

Since 2008, Ramirez's change-up has represented 36.1% of his pitches thrown. He has induced a swing and a miss with that pitch over 20% of the time. It's not a perfect comparison, but over the same time period, James Shields' change-up has 19.4% whiffs.

In the fanshot, Ryan Glass compared Ramirez to our own Dan Wheeler. Both right-handers have done well when facing batters of the same handiness.

Here is the side-by-side comparison against righties.

Ramirez

Career

Wheeler

12.49

K/9

8.84

4.03

BB/9

2.15

3.87

xFIP

3.57

12.1

LD%

18.9

34.6

GB%

35.8

53.3

FB%

45.4

Note: xFIP, or expected fielding independent pitching, is used to show both pitchers with normalized home run rates.

Overall, Wheeler's numbers are slightly better, but that comes with a cost.

Wheeler is the second highest paid pitcher on the Rays with a 2010 salary of $3.5 million dollars. Ramirez is not yet arbitration eligible and would cost around the league minimum. This may not be important now since Wheeler is expected to stick around through this season, but after 2010 it might. Wheeler is owed $4 million dollars next season, but the Rays are likely to buy him out at $1 million dollars. Ramirez would fit perfectly as a cheap replacement.

Ultimately none of this really matters because A) he could be claimed by a team before the Rays, and/or B) the Rays may not want Ramirez at all. That said, a cheap, cost controlled, strikeout pitcher with swing and miss ability, and minor league options is usually something the Rays are interested in.  

Ed. Note: This is probably much to do about nothing, but I'm not interested in writing about baseball players golfing or ice cream socials. Plus I get to use a pic of Ramirez in goggles.

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If someone is willing to give him a roster spot, let them have him

In a minor deal, why not?

Still wonder why Calero is still available

by sternfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 7:40 AM EST reply actions  

Looks like teams have found something in Calero's medical records they don't like

I’m still surprised he hasn’t signed a minor league deal with some sort of call-up date agreement

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 2, 2010 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tommy, on that medical subject, what's up with Rocco?

Haven’t read a word on him in a few weeks. Is it over?

by sternfan1 on Mar 2, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Ironically,

He’s probably waiting for a spot to open on a team via injury. A minor league deal for Baldelli just seems strange although that’s all he’ll get right now.

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 2, 2010 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He still has the nagging injury issues

He missed time last year with groin, hamstring, ankle and hip injuries. Unfortunately I wouldn’t trust him as a 5th outfielder at this point.

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 2, 2010 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

This is a deeply talented team that has surpassed players like Rocco.

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 2, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Edwar sounds a lot more like Winston Abreu than Dan Wheeler

Ramirez ML Career Abreu
2.07 K/BB 2.00
1.74 HR/9 2.03
4.46 xFIP 5.31
17.1% LD% 16.4%
34.2 % GB% 28.6%
47.8% FB% 53.4%
98.3 IP 44.3

Not exactly definitive proof, but they are fairly comparable and have the same skill-set. Edwar is about four years younger and has had more innings and success at the ML level. As long as he has options, I would be all for bringing him in for nothing.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Frankly I'd rather give Abreu the shot

Similar issues but Abreu has less than half the sample size as Ramirez and has dominated AAA.

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually Rocco Baldelli is with Andrew Friedman right now...more to come

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 2, 2010 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He's not 'retiring', but he will be an assistant working with minor lg players

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd hope he's tossing out the "Make your first fortune" mantra like he's a modern-day Johnny Appleseed

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Minor League stats

Edwar Career Abreu
12.0 K/9 11.0
2.8 BB/9 4.2
4.29 K/BB 2.64
0.50 HR/9 0.80
6.6 H/9 6.8
2.18 FIP 3.30
328.3 IP 869.3

Not sure I really see it over their entire careers, let’s take a look at just AAA:

12.9 K/9 11.5
2.7 BB/9 4.0
4.71 K/BB 2.9
0.3 HR/9 1.0
5.4 H/9 6.6
1.63 FIP 3.29
102 IP 298.3

On second thought, they aren’t really all that similar. It would appear that Edwar was also lights out in AAA. I wonder if he has the same AAAA disease. What it comes down to is a simple waiver claim to deprive one of our biggest rivals of an asset that they were hoping to sneak down to the farm. He has options, has been quite good, and still has 2 years of being free. I’ll get into some pitch f/x stuff a little later.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously, the scouting report on Abreu is this:

- Sick slider
- Issues with fastball command that prevent him from getting ahead and using aforementioned slider.

He’s got velo and movement, he doesn’t have command. We’ve never seen a reliever with that profile and a dominant track record in the minors turn into something, have we?

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 2, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree is slider is filthy, >20% swing strike rate, but Balfour's problems were injury related

He just needed to be healthy, Abreu has spent 14 seasons in the minors with 44.3 career innings to speak of. In a month, he will be 33. I didn’t mean for this to turn into a “what is the merit of Winston L. Abreu” debate. Can we agree that Edwar has the exact same career path with more upside?

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Winston has been unlucky, if only he could turn that luck around.

You’ll be surprised at the nice things I have to say for him in the SBN preview coming up. As for the numbers, their minor league career numbers are hardly small sample, and though Winnie looks good, Edwar is even better in every facet, is younger, and looks like kin of Sam Cassell that came over when their ship crash-landed. There is no down-side to putting in a waiver claim.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Your points are solid.

They seem pretty similar except change vs slider

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

His arsenal reminds me of Joe Nelson with the FA/CH from the RH-side

Let me get some real work done and then I’ll look at some pitch F/x stuff.

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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 2, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a little off topic,

but how cool is it to have the Sabermetrics Library? A big round of internet applause for Slowinski!

[clap, clap, clap]

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by BWoodrum on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

NO! HELL NO!!!

Keep that dead weight off our club!

Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light

by Orlando Rays on Mar 2, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

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