Sonnanstine In The Pen: Rebounding From A Bad 2009
It took about two and a half years for Andy Sonnanstine to go from lowly A ball all the way up to "The Show". That also just so happens to be roughly the same amount of time it took him to go from being a Major League starting pitcher, to a Major League relief pitcher. His true calling is in the rotation and he will return to it someday. But for now, the journey back starts in the pen. This is just summary of my thoughts and analysis on Sonnanstine's move to the bullpen.
Can Sonnanstine adjust to pitching out of the bullpen? And will he have success there? The answer to the first question rests solely in his hands (literally), but the chance of second one happening is quite realistic. Many relievers have made the transition in the Majors from a starting role to pitching in relief with great success: J.P. Howell, Tom Gordon, John Smoltz, Scott Downs, Joe Nathan, among others (No Mo because he only had one season as a starter in the Majors before converting). Although there a lot of pitchers whose last shot to stay in the Majors is in the bullpen yet they don't quite make it as a reliever.
One thing that could help Sonnanstine's pitching overall is getting his change up more involved in his game plan again:
"I've never thrown (the change up) with that much conviction in my life," Sonnanstine said. "So I feel really good about it. I felt like I sold it with some good arm action, had good down and away depth to it. Just reading those swings and misses off it were really good confidence boosters."
There was a decrease in the amount of change ups from 2008 to 2009 and Sonnanstine himself said he needed to throw more of it last spring training(didn't happen). I expect him to use it to pre-2009 levels since he pitched much worse when he stopped using it as much.
I have seen some people commented on this recently since Sonnanstine will move into the pen, that he might be able to add some velocity as a reliever. This may be true for some of the more "traditional" pitchers but Sonnanstine rarely relies on velocity. Command of his pitches, changing his arm angle, mixing speeds, and maximizing movement is Andy Sonnanstine. There is no reason to believe he can't add velocity, but he should not do so at the expense of the previous attributes mentioned. As far as any data is concerned, Sonnanstine did log some innings in relief captured by pitch f/x last season. But there was only a marginal difference between the speed on his fastball and cutter in the different pitching roles (small sample size).
Free Zorilla already discussed this subject on Sonnanstine at the very end of last year, how he needs to attack hitters and get ahead in the count. Sonnanstine even mentioned this recently when he looked over some data and video from last season. I am just going to add a couple more charts to those lines. Using Baseball Reference's awesome split data, here are Sonnanstines splits for what happens to Sonnanstine after he either gets ball one, strike one, or the first pitch in play.
| First Pitch | ||||
| Percentage | wOBA | OPS | K/BB | |
| 2007 | 9.4% | 0.405 | 0.942 | NA |
| 2008 | 10.3% | 0.366 | 0.885 | NA |
| 2009 | 7.4% | 0.436 | 1.029 | NA |
| League Average | 11.0% | 0.385 | 0.908 | NA |
| After 0-1 | ||||
| Percentage | wOBA | OPS | K/BB | |
| 2007 | 51.3% | 0.276 | 0.646 | 23.33 |
| 2008 | 54.0% | 0.302 | 0.703 | 11.25 |
| 2009 | 49.7% | 0.348 | 0.818 | 5 |
| League Average | 41.9% | 0.288 | 0.642 | 5.11 |
| After 1-0 | ||||
| Percentage | wOBA | OPS | K/BB | |
| 2007 | 39.4% | 0.417 | 1.014 | 1.17 |
| 2008 | 35.8% | 0.341 | 0.808 | 1.17 |
| 2009 | 42.9% | 0.399 | 0.949 | 0.77 |
| League Average | 47.1% | 0.377 | 0.855 | 0.93 |
We can see Sonnanstine regressed nicely in 2008 but struggled mightily in 2009 as he threw more first pitch balls and couldn't get hitters out as much as he did when he got ahead of the count with the first pitch. Visually looking at the location of the first pitches in the at-bat, it is hard to tell if there was really difference between the two seasons.
There was more data in 2008 but Sonny really pounded the strike zone and had some nice clusters around the outer edges.
I believe there were two key reasons to Sonnanstine's struggles last season. One is that hitters got used to his style and got some good tips from scouting reports compiled the two season prior. Second, is the location of pitches in certain counts and sequences. This is evident as his K/BB ratio was cut in half from the previous season after getting ahead count 0-1.
How he will be used out of the bullpen is anyone's guess.
Statistics from Fan Graphs, Baseball Reference, and MLBAM.
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 26, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gaudin was released, no?
Mitre has looked like the better of the two, whatever that is worth.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaudin was placed on waivers. Teams have ten days to
make a deal with the Yanks, but then would assume his $2.9 mil salary. I’d wait till the waiver period is over
I’ve always liked Mitre
These guys have him as clearing waivers and released
http://www.lohud.com/article/20100326/SPORTS01/3260312
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
To do what?
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Start or relieve. We may need some good quality arms down the road
You never know, look at the Blalock signing, and now he’s got a job
The average of the projections has him at 4.50 FIP in mixed starts and relief outings
I’m not sure that he’s good quality, but just for you, I’m gonna look at some of the pitch f/x data and see if there is any niche that he would be good in.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He played a huge role in that didn't he?
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
the Yankees could’ve never won the World Series if Gaudin didn’t pitch the 9th inning of Game 4 vs. Anaheim, when the Yankees had a 10-1 lead.
by FloridaownsFSU on Mar 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm finding, but it's crazy that he has faced 1,267 lefties and 1,389 righties in his career
Opposition must stack the lineup against him and make liberally pinch hit when he’s in the game. Last year, he threw 1,262 pitches to lefties and 1,254 to righties. That is absolutely crazy that he is used that way when he’s so good against righties.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If we can find a taker for Wheeler, sure.
Otherwise he’s worthy of a Durham spot.
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's basically a better Jeff Bennett.
by R.J. Anderson on Mar 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. i wouldnt put him over any of the seven current members
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The data:
v. RH…….SO%…….uBB%…….TBF…….FIP
Gaudin…….23.4…….8.1…….1389…….3.97
Bennett…….15.7…….8.1…….611…….3.99
v. LH…….SO%…….uBB%…….TBF…….FIP
Gaudin…….11…….11.8…….1267…….5.16
Bennett…….14…….10.9…….414…….5.94
by R.J. Anderson on Mar 26, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been gone for a few days so help me out.
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A's got one of those Ramirez' from the Yanks yesterday.
We had an Edwar for about five minutes till we claimed and kept the incomparable Jeff Bennett on the 40 man
What happened to that Ramirez? I think BOS claimed him
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Don't need two situational LHP
IAlthough i’d like another LHP, but one a little more like JP
ends any hope of us petitioning for a draft pick
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sonny is pitching better
I would like to see how he does out of the pen in some high leverage situations before bringing someone else in. If J.P.`s situation goes on longer than May however, then that is a different story.
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by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Mar 26, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
The only to find out but it might be scary the first time
since it might be against the Yankees
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sonny pitched out of the pen exclusively last spring training and he was great,
he will be fine there and it is where he belongs, not sure why you still think his true calling is as a starter, nothing in his splits lends me to believe he can consistently see hitters multiple times and continue to be effective.
This same exact thing could have been said about J.P. 2 years ago.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
are you agreeing with me?
b/c you’re saying the same thing i am. neither of them has a true calling as a starting pitcher…
Yes, sorry if that wasn't clear.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 26, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, sure, if you want to ignore every single season of his career except 2009.
Then yeah, there’s no reason to think he can be a starter.
by R.J. Anderson on Mar 27, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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