A Look At David Price and Pitch Efficiency
I love watching spring training baseball, but it is hard to ignore the stats and numbers we've become accustomed to tracking. Since I tend to overlook spring training statistics on a larger scale, I must find other ways to keep my analytic brain at bay during spring.
For a hitter, I try and throw out nearly all statistics. On the other hand, I do enjoy seeing power displays like the one Sean Rodriguez has put on so far. As for pitchers, I tend to look for things like strikeouts, groundballs, and pitch efficiency. The key is to look, but not get overly excited one way or another.
During David Price's first start, we saw the left-hander exit after just 1.2 innings because his pitch count had reached (42 pitches, 26 strikes). This is not a big deal since Price was just getting work in, but going back to last season, I felt this was a problem for Price.
Much like fellow lefty and former teammate, Scott Kazmir, Price had a problem with his pitch count racking up. Higher pitch counts ultimately lead to early exits. Looking at the seven pitchers who made starts for the Rays, Price threw the second most pitches per innings right behind...you guessed it, Kazmir.
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Pitches |
Innings |
P/IP |
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Shields |
3328 |
219.2 |
15.18248 |
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Sonnanstine |
1592 |
94 |
16.93617 |
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Davis |
600 |
36.1 |
16.6205 |
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Price |
2281 |
128.1 |
17.8064 |
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Niemann |
2843 |
177.2 |
16.04402 |
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Garza |
3421 |
203 |
16.85222 |
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Kazmir |
2012 |
111 |
18.12613 |
It is no surprise to see Shields as the most efficient pitcher. On any given night, 100 pitches for Shields means he reached at least sixth inning, and more often than not, a bit later. For Price, 100 pitches gets you just over five and a half innings.
One thing we do know is 2009 was the tale of two pitchers for Price. During the first half, he was a strikeout machine who walked far too many batters. In his first 11 starts, he had a strikeout per nine (K/9) of 9.16, but a walks per nine innings (BB/9) of 5.6.
However, during the latter stages of the season, Price dialed it back. He struck out fewer batters, but also walked much less. Over his final 12 starts, his K/9 dropped down to 5.75, but his BB/9 dropped down to 2.51. In addition to the improved control, he started serving up ground balls which is always good.
In another bit of good news, Price's pitcher per innings went down in each month of the season.
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Price |
Pitches |
Innings |
P/IP |
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May/June |
703 |
36.2 |
19.41989 |
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July |
432 |
23.1 |
18.7013 |
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Aug |
526 |
31.1 |
16.91318 |
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Sept/Oct |
620 |
37 |
16.75676 |
*note May/June and Sept/Oct combined for sample size issues.
At the end of the season, Price was throwing nearly three pitches less per inning. That is nearly a full inning more from Price in each start (~100 pitches). This just adds to my excitement about Price's evolution over the past 12 months.
On Friday, he averaged over 20 pitcher per innings. Nonetheless, we need to let some spring numbers just be spring numbers. However, it's something to track for the rest of the spring as his pitch limit increases and definitely something to watch for the 2010 season.
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Hopefully it continues to come together
Where he can regain some of his K rate, at a faster rt than his walks a la Garza.
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Definitely. A pitcher with his stuff shouldn't be around 6 K/9
But hopefully that’s the next step in his growth process.
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 8, 2010 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does Price's higher pitch count have anything to do with relying on basically two pitches?
I know that works well for relievers, but would seem to let opposing hitters to get a read on him much quicker.
I think it's the nature of his pitches,
Throwing primarily only hard stuff makes it easier to fouls off pitches. We saw this with Kazmir once his slider was less reliable.
I was surprised to notice that James Shields led the Rays in Sw Strike % in 09
Shields 9.9
Garza 8.4
Price 7.8
Niemann 7.0
Price led the team in foul % @ 19.8%
And was 2nd highest in ball % at 37.4%
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Shields gets a lot of empty swings with his change-up and I believe his curveball.
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 8, 2010 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, its surprising that the team leader in Whiff Rate both in terms of overall pitches and swings
Wouldn’t be closer to the top of K%
Garza 21.96
Price 17.98
Shields 17.96
Niemann 16.47
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I suppose much of the answer comes in Strikeouts looking
K’s Looking%
Price 6.37
Garza 5.72
Niemann 3.45
Shields 3.44
Ks Swinging%
Garza 16.24
Shields 14.52
Niemann 13.01
Price 11.61
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I'm not sure
He’s never been big on freezing guys
06 2.41%
07 2.4%
08 4.33%
09 3.44%
I would guess his Ks% might bounce up a bit though.
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Hmmm...
I guess he doesn’t really throw a pitch that can really fool a batter in the strikezone. Seems like with his command though he should be able to “paint the black” with the fastball at least sometimes. Maybe he just gets the RodneY Dangerfield treatment from umpires.
haven't looked at the numbers recently, but I think he's throwing his change up less which is a mistake given how effective it is.
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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
I remember thinking this a lot last year.
Just looked it up. Shocker alert: He threw less changes every year since he’s been in the bigs, and last year his curve was the highest it’s been. His FB and cutter are the worst pitches (according to FG) with his change being his best by far.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7059&position=P#pitchtype
He did throw less cutters which is good.
His change is by far his best pitch. There’s no reason not to throw it more.
The Hickey Method
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/6/17/912493/jim-hickey-statistical-analysis#storyjump
Relacing changes with more curves
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It seems like he's really worried about the change getting over-exposed
I also don’t like the idea of him throwing it for a strike which means his Ball% will be elevated. Here’s his Ball, Called strike, Foul, In play, & Swing strike breakouts for each pitch:
B C F I S
32% 10% 22% 19% 17% CH
39% 15% 15% 17% 13% CU
27% 16% 19% 26% 11% FC
32% 23% 17% 24% 5% FF
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 8, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
By throwing the curve more, he's getting more overall strikes and less foul balls at the expense of more balls
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I could probably hand calculate, but I have a project to finish here, maybe after work.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 8, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I realize it was only one inning, but i'd love to see Price
show the fastball he did in that ST outing v NYY where he overpowered and dominated three MLB batters. If he’d pitch like that once in a while, hittwes wouldn’t be able to stay alive by fouling off pitches and adding to his PC
A change-up would do him wonders
He flashed some very nice ones later in the season in the handful he threw. I hope to see more in 2010.
It was nice to be able to see him pitch in our only televised game so far
I saw a couple of dandy changes and one pitch looked like the spike curve taken for a strike.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 8, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
He's really come along way on his secondary offerings
Thank goodness, given the slider issues
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Multi-verse time
Imagine if he gives up a hit to Drew and we lose that game, then he spends all of last year in the minors working on these things, the fans are pretty psyched about 84 wins, we get an extra year of control, and Price is ready to make his big splash this year instead of OTJ training last year.
"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
If price can improve on his secondary pitches than watchout!
A change up or cutter would be ideal..it would take his game to another level…

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