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Can Nevin Ashley Make the Big Leagues on Defensive Reputation Alone?

Spring Training is winding down and writer's block is setting in. With little to write about, let's take a closer look at one of this year's Spring Training Heroes, Nevin Ashley. It's no secret that I am way more fascinated with a minor league catcher with little offensive track record than any normal person should be.  Blame it on his association with Ben Zobrist's swing mechanic Jamie Cevallos, his roaring 2009 Arizona Fall League campaign or his 2009 Organizational Defensive Player of the Year Award, but Ashley-mania seems to be picking up steam.

Ashley was invited to Spring Training largely to the numbers game needed to handle the expanded pitching staff, and was promptly sent down to minor league camp in the first round of cuts. Ashley was recalled when Dioner Navarro injured his leg. There is an above-average chance Ashley was brought up due to his staff handling ability since the primary objective was getting the big league pitchers ready for the season. Surprisingly Ashley has continued to impress in other facets of the game such as hitting and base-running. Ashley has gone 8-15 with a home run, a double, a stolen base, and has thrown out the only two base runners who dared run on the Golden Gun, Dustin Pedroia and Denard Span. He also joins Michel Hernandez in the pantheon of Rays catchers to hit home runs off Josh Beckett. Spring stats don't matter, but as an extension of his AFL campaign, people are beginning to take notice.  To read more about Nevin Ashley's career through his AFL campaign, please read The Rise in the Fall of Nevin Ashley.

For now put aside any offensive breakout from Ashley. R.J. Anderson and I got into a debate earlier this week about the prospects of Nevin Ashley making it to the big leagues. Specifically, the question was posed about the percent likelihood of Ashley achieving specific plate appearance milestones as follows:

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PA

RJ

FreeZo

5

60%

80%

50

40%

60%

100

N/A

55%

200

N/A

35%

500

N/A

20%

 

R.J. points to Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense which states:

a catcher's defensive reputation is inversely proportional to their offensive abilities. Therefore light-hitting catchers get good defensive reputations and top hitters like Ted Simmons wind up with lousy reputations. One can note that many catchers have lost a reputation for glovework once they began hitting better and that the opposite is also true, further reinforcing Nichols' Law.


Using the baseball-reference.com's Season Finder tool on their Play Index feature, I was able to come up with how many catchers qualified for each threshold since 1990 on defensive reputation alone (.625 OPS or less). The distribution is as follows:

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There have been 22 catchers who have lasted 600 plate appearances in the big leagues with an OPS south of .625 since 1990. If Ashley's defense is as good as advertised he has pretty good chance to make the big leagues in a backup capacity. If (a big if) he continues to flash his offensive improvement, an MLB career will be a near-certainty. Ashley is slated to begin the season at AA Montgomery. So I turn to you DRB:

What do you project as Ashley's 2010 OPS in AA? Please answer in the comment section.

 


Poll
How Many MLB PA will Nevin Ashley have in his career?
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5 votes
0<50
12 votes
50<100
19 votes
100<200
27 votes
200<500
36 votes
500+
95 votes

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I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a plate appearance sometime this season

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by Brickhaus on Apr 1, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Just to be clear, I am referring to PA with any team in MLB

Jaso has clearly demonstrated to be a superior offensive player to date. Lobaton seems to be the balance in the middle. Ashley is defensively superior and has recently flirted with showing signs of life with the bat. If there was a 2010 emergency, I’d prefer to see Jaso or Lobaton. (Hell, I wanted them over paying Navarro $2 million).

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by FreeZorilla on Apr 1, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering what information is starting to come out there regarding the less quantifiable aspects of catcher defense

I’d rather go with a good catcher behind the plate than with Jaso, who’s still a mediocre catcher who hasn’t hit well in a while.

Also, if Ashley has impressed himself upon Maddon, if someone goes down (which is likely), I wouldn’t be shocked if Maddon pushes for Ashley.

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by Brickhaus on Apr 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offense and defense matter.

Ashley may or may not have defense, he sure as hell doesn’t have offense.

If Nevin Ashley gets plate appearances for the Rays in 2010, then something went wrong. Very, very, very wrong.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.

I took Driveline Mechanics top 15 (of the top 18, since Kenji Johjima, Joe Mauer, and Matt Wieters are outliers who shouldn’t count, even though they help my argument) defensive catchers, and recorded their minor league OPS. I also noted how many of their PA came in AA and AAA. Here’s what I found:

So, what does this tell us? Well, for one, Ashley has the lowest OPS amongst the group. Even if he is a top 15 defender at the MLB level – and I’d have my doubts – his bat is horrid. Factor in that he’s spent no time at Triple-A and minimal time at Double-A, and really, he’s probably not even as good as the numbers suggest. Plus, he’s old for the leagues, a problem that most of these players (Raul Chavez excluded) didn’t experience.

A few notes:

- This data is NOT park nor league adjusted.

- Yadier Molina reached the majors at the age of 21. He was a 20- and 21-year-old in Double and Triple-A, and 19 in A-ball. He had at least a .715 OPS in every league except Double-A.

- Henry Blanco reached AA as a 21-year-old, and Triple-A as a 23-year-old.

- Brian Schneider reached the majors as a 23-year-old.

- Francisco Cervelli reached the majors as a 22-year-old, and had less playing time in the minors due to an injury.

I just don’t see how anyone can look at this data and have any sort of confidence that A) Ashley is anything but a back-up in the best case scenarios, and B) that this is a normal offensive output for the best defensive catchers in baseball when you take league breakdown into account.

But maybe he’s Raul Chavez. Which is … good, I guess?

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The question is..

If he is an acceptable defensive catcher, which isn’t disputed, can he improve his batting to be at least acceptable levels. While past batting stats are a very good sign of future productivity, players have been known to improve. He doesn’t have to be a good hitter to make it on a regular roster, just adequate. It may be too big of a jump in production to expect, but weirder things have happened.

by terp12 on Apr 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't bet anything on it.

Literally the only thing he has going for him is the ability to walk. He’s like our A.J. Ellis, except he walks less and strikes out more.

If you really must cheer on a defensive catcher in the system, I’d pick Lobaton. I think he’s younger or the same age as Ashley with a more complete game.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or just wait for Luke Bailey!!!!

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 1, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

One important note

Below are the average OPSes for this very list of catchers by level:
A .746
A+ .733
AA .753
AAA .776

So we should expect the best is yet to come for Ashley and he will ascend that list. Catchers develop later offensively.

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by FreeZorilla on Apr 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

His wRC+, which I'm not sure how useful it is in the minors,

leads me to suspect he’s average, at least.

(Fangraphs)

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by BWoodrum on Apr 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or not.

Like I said, a lot of those guys were 23-24 when they reached the majors. Nevin didn’t reach AA until he was 24.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reaching the majors is not at important as sticking

A lot of these guys padded those AAA OPS numbers well into their late 20’s. Age when players reached majors and didn’t turn back:
Raul Chavez 36
Henry Blanco 28
Yadier Molina 21
Brian Schnieder 25
Cervelli -
Gerald Laird 27
Carlos Ruiz 28
Lou Marson 24?
Hanigan 29
Koyie Hill 30
David Ross 32
Paulino 28
Eliezer Alfonzo -
Barajas 27
Hernandez 23

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by FreeZorilla on Apr 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heart Henry Blanco

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Apr 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the preliminary framing research

that seems to be showing that (a) framing pitches is actually a repeatable skill, where some catchers actually are good at it and some catchers actually are bad at it and (b) that the value added in good framing might outweigh the entire offensive value of the average catcher?

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by Brickhaus on Apr 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you think Nevin Ashley offers any of this?

He has a good arm. Everything else is falling into heavy speculation and hope more than fact.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This leads me to a favorite concept of mine

and this relates to baseball.

The difference between March 31 and April 1 is one friggen day. But moving into April makes baseball seem all that much closer.

At least that’s how I perceive it.

by FloridaownsFSU on Apr 1, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably hyperbole, but this truly feels like the longest off season ever

Maybe its because we’ve been writing about the same stuff since early October, but I’m very much over 2009.

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

It doesn’t help that we’ve had relatively few transactions, too. Outside of Soriano and Shoppach, I think we’ve only signed some minor players like middle relievers and backup first basemen.

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by BWoodrum on Apr 1, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

My team won the World Series last year

and it’s felt like a longer offseason than usual.

I think we’re all ready for the games to begin again.

by FloridaownsFSU on Apr 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure you are my mortal enemy

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by Buc Wild on Apr 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

LIES

I was the head of the Eric Berry bandwagon- Im sad to say its over.
Puffy Rod's Bandwagon continues forever.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!

by 4QB on Apr 1, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! So judging by the very surprising poll results,

can we officially declare this the Ashley Season of Love?

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by BWoodrum on Apr 1, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

It's because of the Fall League and ST

living in the moment where Ashley has been putting up great stats(superior compared to his prior stats) plus the inability of the Rays to groom a catcher (Toby Hall?) might have contributed to the positive expectations. This is probably the turn the corner year for Ashley, if he goes back to hitting in the .600’s then it will probably be the telling sign that he will only be a minor league player.

Hoping he turns the corner.

by ronnydobbs on Apr 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

Or people are just voting for the max as a half-joke

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by Brickhaus on Apr 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to see R.J.'s head asplode

"It's good to have a little cushion. But it's not going to be easy."

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Apr 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had an unhealthy man-crush on Ashley all last season

I <3 mediocre. It’s the Scott Skiles syndrome. But now that he’s actually making some noise (even ST noise), I getting mixed feelings. It’s like when I bought a JP Howell jersey, and he turned out to be actually good when they moved him to the pen. It pisses me off that people are on my bandwagon!

If he stays healthy and can hit a little (.240?), he can have a long career as somebody’s backup. How many lifetime ABs did Biff Pocoroba have?

by nomoredevil on Apr 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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