Is Carlos Pena's Latest Cold Streak Cause For Concern?
Carlos Pena put up astronomical numbers in 2007. However, since then we've see a more true talent level from Pena during the last two years. After posting a .430 weighted on-base average (wOBA) in '07, he has put up back-to-back seasons of .374 wOBA. That a very good hitter when you consider .330 is average and .400 is superstar level.
This April, Pena got off to a similar start. His wOBA through the first month of the season was .373. However, after his latest cold streak (1-40), his wOBA sits well below average at .295 on the young season. Even before Pena was given most of last night off, people were expressing concern of Pena's latest cold streak.
It's still surprising that some of the locals express frustration when Pena slumps. Granted, 1-40 streaks are uncommon, and downright terrible, but not out of the question with Pena; especially in the month of May. Looking at his splits, Pena's .329 wOBA in May is the lowest of any other month. Since Pena is in the middle of another slump and people are getting anxious, let's take a more in-depth look at his season so far.
Pena owns a career batting average on balls in play (BABIP) of .285. Of course we have a small sample size, but thus far his BABIP is .208. A large part of this is lack of line drives and an increase in groundballs. Pena has maintained a line drive percentage of 18.3% in his big league career. So far, he is hitting liners at a 13.2% clip. In place of the line drives, his groundball percentage is up nearly 5% more than his career number of 35.9. Going deeper, his BABIP on line drives is .500; a .221 drop from his career level.
In addition to the decrease in liners is a decrease in home run to fly ball rate. Currently, 14.3% of flyballs hit by Pena are going yard. This is down from his 20.2% career rate and near 24% as a member of the Rays.
The quick and easy way out of this would be to suggest regressions to the mean in all categories. More liners, a higher BABIP, and more balls jumping the fence would up everyone's :)%, but it's not that easy.
As we saw last year with Pat Burrell, old man skills (walks, strikeouts, home runs with little speed) don't always regress, especially when you have more than three decades worth of candles on your cake. Looking at BABIP alone, Pena has been in a decline over the past few years. His BABIP in 2008 was a modest .298, but dropped to .250 last year. As mentioned, he's down to .208 this year. Is it a trend or just bad luck? It's too early to tell, but something to watch.
The good news for us is there are some differences between Pena and Burrell. Pena is still walking nearly 15% of the time; a number he has hit for the past two seasons. And believe it or not, his strikeout percentage of 32% is actually down from 2008 and 2009 levels.
Also unlike Burrell, Pena is still hitting fastballs. His weighted value on fastballs (w/FB) is a healthy 6.3 early on. Without a trained scouting eye to analyze his swing, that number would suggest his bat speed is good enough to turn on heaters. On the other hand, Pena is being killed by the change-up. As we all know the off-speed pitch is meant to look like a fastball, but fools the hitter later on.
Pena has a w/CH of -3.1 on the change-up. In fact, his struggles are very similar to Ben Zobrist. Both hitters are struggling with change-ups right now, and are expanding their zone more than usual. Not recognizing a change-up early enough could cause a hitter to roll over on a lot of pitches causing more groundballs. In addition, if a hitter is thinking fastball, and instead gets a change-up, the timing difference could cause some weaker hit flyballs. Whether the scouting report is out or not, Pitchers are throwing change-ups 16.6% of the time against Carlos - up nearly 7% over the past two years.
Because of his skill-set and his age, I'm not 100% confident in saying "yep, this is just a bad luck streak and Pena will bounce back." Meanwhile, looking at the steady k/bb rates, the continued success against fastballs, and the potential for flukey batted ball data, I think that statement is closer the truth than any real cause for concern.
Even with the day-off (mostly) to clear his head, there is a chance that the next few weeks could be as equally as frustrating as the past few for Pena, but if history repeats itself, by mid-June everyone will be all smiles.
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Wow. So I just ran Pena's numbers through Dutton's xBABIP calculator...
and got this:
According to those calculations, Pena’s BABIP should be way higher (.300s). Of course, The Shift really hurts his BABIP, but I can’t imagine it would take away a full 10% of his hits.
Good analysis Tommy. Now will somebody kindly ask Pena to quit taking it easy on the league.
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his BABIP definitely reflects his pulling into the shift -- that's why teams do it
los is at his best when at least some of his drives are going the opposite way — just like most hitters.
the problem isn’t really carlos: it’s the lack of protection for longoria.
I am all for calling up Blalock at this point and giving him his chance.
Let him DH and play 1B some. Maybe he can make Carlos expendable, although Carlos has killed his value somewhat.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
by Warde on May 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it does kinda suck you in, doesn't it?
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on May 12, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd much rather see the guys leaving at the end of year killing the ball as much as possible.
Pena shitting the bed hurts bad if he can’t snap out of it.
No trade value, no Type-A… worthless.
I really hope he pulls through.
What determines Type A vs Type B?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Type A might actually hurt...
If I’m not mistaken, a type B gets a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd, correct? A type A, the signing team gives up their1st rounder. And we’d have to offer arbitration, which is what happened to the Brave’s and Soriano. He accepted arbitration since it was a better deal than he could get from a team that didn’t want to give up their 1st round pick. And if a team with a protected pick gets him, we get a second rounder.
If Pena is a type B, the signing team gives up nothing (hence they are more likely to sign him) and we get a pick before the 2nd round. I’ll take type B please.
I suppose
Its irrelevant. If he hits well this season, he’s a type A and we would be glad for him to accept arbitration (since he has no clear successor). If he sucks, he’s a type B and doesn’t accept. What I’m worried about is his 2007-2009 numbers make him a type A even if he sucks this year. Then he’s sure to accept arbitration and we will have to pay him $10M+ or let him go for nothing.
I’d be happy with type B.
But we still have to offer him arbitration
Type A or type B, we still have to offer him arb to get the picks. If he starts hitting enough to qualify as a type A, someone will sign him if we don’t want to, so I wouldn’t worry about that being an issue.
It not just that we have to offer it.
He also has to turn it down. Much like Soriano this season, if his agent isn’t getting a ton of response from teams willing to give up a 1st round pick, he will accept. That means we either try to trade him (and don’t get much) or we keep him and pay him $10M.
He doesn't look like himself at the plate, pressing hard in every at bat.
He was crushing before he broke his finger. I wonder if he developed any bad habits or something.
Let's not forget how many lefties he's seen lately
We’ve seen this happen before with him. This wasn’t a reaction the post so much as the sentiment of the comments.
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It seems like this is the classic Pena timeline.
Comes out hot the first couple weeks of the season, then slumps pretty hard in May.
He is still walking, strikeout% holding, seems to be able to still catchup with the fastball, it’s Carlos….he’ll snap out of it.
I ask this as a serious question
I thought BABIP was pretty mcuh “luck” based on where the ball was hit. But based on this sentence,
Looking at BABIP alone, Pena has been in a decline over the past few years. His BABIP in 2008 was a modest .298, but dropped to .250 last year. As mentioned, he’s down to .208 this year. Is it a trend or just bad luck? It’s too early to tell, but something to watch.is there a skill to it?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Any percentage or way to figure out what is skill vs luck?
Is the general rule of thumb to attribuite it to luck?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
There are xBABIP calculators available that attempt to isolate the luck vs skill
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If he didn't pull every pitch there would be no shift thus helping his BABIP
He could hit the other way once in a while.
Its true.
The shift eats up a lot of hard hit balls. I was answering the general question.
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I probably should have commented on your earlier post that hitters have a degree of BABIP skill
I was in agreement with you.
There is a bit of skill involved. Also hitters tend to have more "control" on their BABIP than pitchers
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by Tommy Rancel on May 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the main skills of BABIP is speed,
which can induce infield singles or hurried throws and such. So we expect BABIP decline a little bit as players lose their speed with aging.
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Well, is hitting the other way
…a skill? The other teams shift him for a reason. It seemed to me that earlier in the season, durring that insane BA w/RISP run, the team as a whole was going opposite field a lot. Sure, there were lucky bloops, but there were some seriously good inside/out swings happening
(wish I had 1/2 as good inside/out action happening in my tennis game… :-s )
Pena has been trying to hit 5 run homeruns, and not picking up the change. He’s a mess.
He's been blessed with such talent hitting behind him this year
that i’m sure pitchers are sure to feed him fastballs down the middle
I say give him time
His BB% is still 14.9%, and he’ll start hitting home runs again soon
by benderbrodriguez on May 12, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
Any chance the Rays go after Lance Berkman?
If the Astros are willing to eat some of his salary, I would like to see him DH here. I think something big is about to happen with the impending Blalock issue.
I saw this as a possiblity, I thought maybe they would make a move for a Berkman or Adrian Gonzalez around the deadline if they are still playing well.
Blalock and a good pitching prospect might do it. They would have to eat a good chunk of his salary too.
If they were going to give up talent for a 1B/DH type though, I think it would be Gonzalez.
I'd be surprised if we went after either of these guys.
Especially Gonzalez.
Is Berkman with knee problems an upgrade on blalock?
I think so He may not hit 35 bombs, but 20 HRs with a .400 OBP is not out of the question.
Not to mention he would be the DH, so less stress on the knees.
Pena's HR/FB is also well below his career numbers
We can expect that to pick up though, I think
by benderbrodriguez on May 12, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Should Pena be dropped lower in the batting order?
Could a different spot in the rotation help his hitting numbers?
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KK hates the Rays
That was literally the worst move the Rays FO has made since the new regime
Go Gators!!
by matthan on May 11, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
With Blalock and Boras's ultimatum
Does this put pressure on Burrell to perform big now? Are the Rays at the point where we’ll dump Burrell in short order if he doesn’t start producing in like the next 3-4 games?
by benderbrodriguez on May 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
He is a sunk cost with no real signs of improvement
I wouldn’t flinch if they DFA’d Burrell
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
KK hates the Rays
That was literally the worst move the Rays FO has made since the new regime
Go Gators!!
by matthan on May 11, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 12, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it mostly just an expansion of the strike zone?
We saw it last year in July, but when he started to get his pitch recognition back, it was okay again
PIZZA?!?
If the wOBA is roughly
wOBA = [ HR*1.7 + 3B*1.37 + 2B*1.08 + 1B*.77 + BB*.62] / PA
And, as I understood the link I got this from varies from year to year….why not just make a simpler approximation across all years?
wOBA = [ (2)HR + (1.5)3B + 2B + (0.75)1B + (0.5)BB ] / PA
That's not the formula for wOBA and tweaking the coefficients completely detracts from the point of the weights
KK hates the Rays
That was literally the worst move the Rays FO has made since the new regime
Go Gators!!
by matthan on May 11, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
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