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B.J. Upton Overload: A Hypothesis and a Look at Upton's Balls in Play

To those of you that don't like it when we drag a subject out, I'm sorry in advance. There were lots of words spilled on BJ Upton yesterday, with a FanPost by Transplanted, an article by Tommy, and an article by Dave Cameron over at FanGraphs. For those of you that didn't get a chance to read all those excellent articles, let me summarize them for you:

  • Transplanted: All of BJ's major statistics have been trending downward over the past three years, and now his plate discipline seems like it's going as well. He needs to make more contact by "fixing his swing mechanics and recognizing pitches better."
  • Tommy: Upton has gotten slightly unlucky with Balls in Play, meaning his average should be higher than it is, but the biggest problem with him is that he's swinging and missing waaaaay too much, especially on four-seam fastballs. Although we'll need to get the advice of a professional to know for sure, it seems likely that something is wrong with Upton's swing. 
  • Cameron: Abort, abort! Upton has a poor plate approach and he chases pitches outside of the zone. TRADE HIM NOW!

One of these things is not like the other. True, I've exaggerated Cameron's point a lot - and for the record, I'm a huge Dave Cameron fan and it's nice to hear an opinion on Upton from an emotionally-unattached fan. Maybe our fandom is blinding us and the Rays are stupid not to trade Upton at this point; you can certainly make an argument for trading him.

However, while I'm sure the Rays' front office is considering every option, I disagree that this is something the Rays will or should do. If the Rays had reason to believe that Upton is a true-talent .210/.285/.370 hitter, then yes, the Rays should trade him while his value is still somewhat high and bring up Desmond Jennings. Cameron's idea hinges on the belief that this Upton, the one with the hole in his swing and the .301 Weighted On-Base Average (wOBA), is who we're getting for the season. Upton's getting expensive and if he's not going to hit, the Rays should cut bait.

And that's where I disagree with Cameron: I do think Upton's going to hit this season. After the jump, find out why.

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In case you forgot, here's how Upton performed in April:

BB%

K%

BA

OBP

ISO

BABIP

wOBA

11.60%

20.20%

0.262

0.347

0.214

0.286

0.365

Pretty great, huh? But then things spiraled down into chaos in May:

BB%

K%

BA

OBP

ISO

BABIP

wOBA

7.10%

39.70%

0.154

0.214

0.103

0.239

0.229

What happened? After looking so good, why did Upton's numbers go to hell all of a sudden? Which Upton are we going to get going forward - the one that looked like he had put everything together, or the one that is striking out in 40% of his at bats?

After looking over Upton's balls in play data (at the suggestion of EminenceFront) and re-reading Tommy's article, I've come up with a hypothesis: Upton started off the year great, driving balls to the opposite field and flashing real power again, but then the pitchers adjusted to him. They realized that leaving the ball on the outside part of the plate was asking for trouble, so they've started pounding Upton inside with four-seam fastballs, daring him to turn on a pitch and make them pay. And at the moment, Upton can't.

Here's a graph of Upton's wOBA over the past four seasons, broken down by where he hit the ball:

As you can see, last season Upton could pull the ball but put couldn't push the ball; this season, it's the exact opposite. Upton has never struggled with pulling the ball, even when his shoulder was lousy, so I find it hard to believe that he's lost the skill entirely in one year. It could simply be that with all the work this off-season, Upton focused very highly on going the opposite way, to the point where he over-prepared and didn't work on pulling the ball enough. Or maybe Upton is simply having problems adjusting his swing to having a healthy shoulder, so he'll need to keep tinkering and working on his swing continuously as the season goes on.

Whatever the reason, though, Upton needs to show he can turn on a fastball and pull it to left field instead of just swinging through it. My hypothesis is that the hole in his swing is on the inside part of the plate, and it's keeping him from being as dangerous a hitter as he could be. If that's the case, it seems like it's a fixable problem and Upton should be able to adjust. I don't have the data to prove if he's seen more or less inside pitches in May, though, so my hypothesis may be entirely wrong. Maybe Upton's bat has slowed down and he can't turn on fastballs anymore, which would be a much more serious problem. Or maybe the lack of pulling the ball has nothing to do with the hole in his swing. 

In the end, I believe that once we see Upton turn on a ball with authority, we'll know he's closing that hole and we've got the full Bossman back. I think he can do it, but then again I'm obviously biased. And if the Rays believe that they won't be able to fix Upton's current problem - whether it be a hole in the swing, bat speed, or whatever - then by all means Mr. Cameron, we should think about trading him.

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It could be a load of crock.

I wish I had better data at my fingertips to prove it one way or the other, but it seems to make sense.

For an indirect proof, Upton has been hitting many more groundballs in May than in April (48% to 38%), and he primarily hits groundballs to the left side of the infield. That suggests to me that he’s being forced to turn on pitches, but can’t drive them well. Either that or he’s trying to pull everything again, but I don’t think that’s the case since he’s worked so hard on pushing the ball.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

the only pitch I've seen him pull effectively this month

Was his final out on the game on Sunday. I think it was against Lopez but he really got around on that pitch and hit a rocket one hopper that Pedro ate up.

by Jason Collette on May 27, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same...I can't think of any others.

Hard hit grounders are good, though…when BJ pulls the ball, he’s historically hit something like 60% grounders. The trick is he also normally has a high BABIP on those hits, while right now he’s got a .182 BABIP on balls hit to left.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The theory makes sense at least.

He was trying to pull everything the last few years. This year, he has hit the ball well the other way. Pitchers have probably noticed that and have started coming in on him. He has yet to adjust to their adjustment…

by FSUjab on May 27, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all about pretty charts

And that my friend, is a pretty, and useful, and pretty useful, chart.

by Erik Hahmann on May 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

If Upton has to rebuild his swing like Tiger Woods every time teams pitch to a different third of the plate to him, this doesn't seem like a desirable trait in a baseball player.

If Upton’s regular swing is built in such a way that it’s good against outside pitches and horrible against inside ones, that’s equally bad. Other batters do not have these kinds of problems.

Jesus Didn't Tap.

by kericr on May 27, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Upton is quickly taking Pat the Bat's place on the hate list

Carlos Pena is a close 2nd with Navi 3rd.

He’d better learn how to get it together quickly or he’ll find himself on the bench more and more. The Rays mgmt is messing around this year…

RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter

by Rays_Rev on May 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

You're erasing the good will of your tweets with posts like this

Are you saying he should become fashionable or elitist or snarky or condescending? Is he supposed to adopt logical fallacies as his core technique of debate? Is he supposed to bleat religious proclamations and claim they are "proved" by statistics when they aren’t?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

To expand:

BJ Upton is not taking up move than a tenth of the entire teams salary
BJ Upton is still worth a positive WAR because of his glove
BJ Upton has show that he can succeed in the AL
BJ Upton is young

Pat the Bat is 0 of those things

Are you saying he should become fashionable or elitist or snarky or condescending? Is he supposed to adopt logical fallacies as his core technique of debate? Is he supposed to bleat religious proclamations and claim they are "proved" by statistics when they aren’t?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone here hates Upton

It’s more a frustration over the results when it appears the talent is there.
It’s also a frustration because he was someone who’s play we will depend on the next few years.

Totally different then the feelings people had for PtB

Free Dan Johnson!

by Sveet on May 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I guess my sarcasm didn't translate well from Twitter to DraysBay

I wasn’t seriously comparing Pat the Bat to BJ Upton. However, there are some fans that do.

RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter

by Rays_Rev on May 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, Andy H.

I linked to your quote as a joke/sarcasm. Wasn’t sure if it came across like that, so just wanted to clarify.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Not everyone is familiar with Eastbound & Down, so some people might view that as unnecessary anti-sematism

Are you saying he should become fashionable or elitist or snarky or condescending? Is he supposed to adopt logical fallacies as his core technique of debate? Is he supposed to bleat religious proclamations and claim they are "proved" by statistics when they aren’t?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's cool, a double-bladed knife cuts both ways,

I took a look at location of total pitches from April and May

April:
px<0 (Inner-half) = 41.0%

May:
px<0 = 46.7%

So you are correct that he’s getting pitched inside more. Also, he saw 66.7% fastballs (FA, FC, FF, FT, SI) in April compared to 71.1% in May. Not sure if this helps you at all, but I think it corroborates some of you assumptions that you weren’t sure how to do the legwork on.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent...thanks!

That does seems like a significant difference….that could be it. They’re obviously not going to start throwing him 90% inside fastballs, so a 6% increase is certainly something.

I really need to get myself a Pitch f/x database.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool as fuck?

"I think we should put this guy on blast and let all the guys around town know to make sure you don’t leave your GFs around Evan Longoria while he’s in town because he has no class or respect for other men."

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on May 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooo...that's right.

I need to remember to check out that site more. There’s so much you can do with it.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I can see why you would think that.

Rodriguez was born in April 1985 – age 25 – about 300 career MLB plate appearances with a .204/.270/.332 line. A little over 3,200 minor league plate appearances for a .281/.380/.501 line. Hard to say defensively, but he certainly looks the part of a second baseman.

Upton was born in August 1984 – again, age 25 – about 2,360 career MLB plate appearances with a .262/.347/.407 line. A smidge below 2,160 minor league plate appearances with a .297/.393/.457 line. Also: Is an elite defensive centerfielder.

by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brighter future

BJ or PtB?

Discuss

Free Dan Johnson!

by Sveet on May 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for checking that out, Slow.

It’s almost exactly what I was seeing: a lack of power to the opposite field partially because of his diet of inside fastballs.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on May 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem

Thanks for the idea…turned out to be a good hunch.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks to RJ, a look at BJ Upton's swinging strikes for 2010

Someone LMK if this doesn’t display.

Jesus Didn't Tap.

by kericr on May 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

got nothin'

"I think we should put this guy on blast and let all the guys around town know to make sure you don’t leave your GFs around Evan Longoria while he’s in town because he has no class or respect for other men."

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on May 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, all those sliders and curves outside of the zone are normal.

Those pitches start up and finish low so it makes sense that he would be fooled on some of them.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on May 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This does a great job of visualizing what I found on Wednesday.

Lots of squares(fourseam) and upside down triangles(sliders).

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by Tommy Rancel on May 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There are lots of fastballs there.

And lots on the outside part of the plate as well…in fact, high and outside seems to be the biggest cluster. That suggests it’s not just inside fastballs that are giving him trouble, but all of them in general.

Is he having trouble catching up with the fastball? Bat speed too slow? Swing too long? Hopefully it’s not the bat speed.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just export to excel and then make your own charts

I don’t care for using symbols to differentiate pitches as colors are more obvious and intuitive. You can also do all of your own sorts, calcs, charts, tables, etc…

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I'm working.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll get you your fix, junky

0 strikes
CS: 25.5%
SS: 12.0%
1 Strike
CS: 11.9%
SS: 15.1%
2 Strikes
CS: 5.5%
SS: 17.0%

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not what I tried to draw up.

A swinging strikeout graph. What have they had him swinging and missing at? I have the excel sheet but the data to actually try to draw a plot chart makes no sense to me.

Jesus Didn't Tap.

by kericr on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here you go

And the link if you want to see it bigger:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj216/SayHeyRays/Beej2-strikeSS.jpg

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fastballs all over the zone, junk out of it, and a couple of changes away

If you give it the 10,000 ft view, you can see up and in and low and away as his problem spots, which I think RZ might have already shown. Correct, me if I’m wrong on that last point.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on May 27, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on May 27, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is forced to guess

If he guesses right he will have success, bt when wrong it looks awful.

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by FreeZorilla on May 27, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice graph

beej can’t catch up to the high fastball very good.

Fuzz

by RZ on May 27, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe BJ would swing better if he pretended the baseball was a white woman.

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by DeadeyeRR on May 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Upton on Fastballs in April (1st img) and May (2nd img)

Fastballs below 2.5’ in April = 12 and 3 hit for HRs
Fastballs below 2.5’ in May = 8 and 0 HRs

by Jason Collette on May 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

High and inside

So he is seeing a lot those recently. I feel like the hypo. has been decently proved so far, with the caveat that it’s not just inside fastballs, but high fastballs in general that are proving difficult.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on May 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why doesn't someone just find the at bat near the end of April

where he re-injured his shoulder? That could be the answer.

by kevinjc on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We wouldn't know if he did.

He played 90% of 2008 with a torn labrum and never told the press until September.

Of course he was also an above average hitter that season, so who knows.

by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

ISO is still there

No question BJ has been struggling, very interesting to learn that he is being beat inside which is usually a strong point for him. If he fixes the hole/king that allows him to get around on inside pitches and gets some BABIP regression thrown in things could look much better for BJ in a hurry.

by twenty5psi on May 27, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iso is going to be there...

because of his speed. Any bloop, flare, etc is going to be a double for him. I can count 3 balls he has hit this month that were legitimate hard hit balls: the HR, the hard liner as his last out vs Astros on Sunday and a double to the gap earlier this month. That’s about it.

by Jason Collette on May 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting article from Fan Graphs about Carlos Pena

He too isn’t getting as much hits from pulled baseballs. The shift hurts him because he isn’t getting it in the air as previous years.

Fuzz

by RZ on May 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Throw Becks out there!

Listen, I love beating this Upton horse as much as anybody, but I’m tired of being in a shitty mood the last three days. Looked at those last ten games numbers for Beckham and, finally, a reason to smile. Any reports from the scene on him? I’m choosing to forget about the sweep and I’m just assuming a 1.166 OPS from him for his career from here forward.

by the jabber on May 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

That's definitely been nice to see

Any reports on how he looks at SS? Does it look like he will be able to stay there or not?

Free Dan Johnson!

by Sveet on May 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

im really not that upset about the last 3 days

every team is going to get there hot streaks and cold streaks, Boston is on theres right now

one more year Brett Favre!

by RaysOfHope on May 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly, he is playing OF in A ball

i think he will either be our future LF,DH or 1B

hopefully by next year since Crawford and Pena will both most likely be gone

one more year Brett Favre!

by RaysOfHope on May 27, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see an uptick in our positional prospects,

Anderson, Sweeney, Beckham. With Reid up and DJ a given, the cupboard was getting a little bare. Gets tedious only following our 8 or 9 legitimate pitching prospects!

by the jabber on May 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt realize he has

how is his glove at 1B?

one more year Brett Favre!

by RaysOfHope on May 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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