John Jaso, Dioner Navarro And Playing Time
I'm stating the obvious here, but the Rays have put themselves in an enviable position. They've stocked piled themselves with enough pieces to be able to move, or sometimes lose, a key player and not feel a significant negative impact on the field. Think about it. The Rays have a capable replacement at basically every position. Players like Reid Brignac, Sean Rodriguez, Willy Aybar and Desmond Jennings could step in and start for any number of players on this team. That's not even counting Hank Blalock, or Ben Zobrist for that matter. Another player who fits this mold, and has stepped in and done exactly what I've stated above, is John Jaso.
The early season success of the young catcher has undoubtedly put a smile on the faces of Joe Maddon and the Rays' front office, while simultaniousely putting a frown on the mug of Dioner Navarro. Or whatever is more powerful than a frown. A Grimace. Yeah, a painful grimace.
No one expects Jaso to keep up his torrid start. After all, he's currently in possession of a .513 OBP and a .571 SLG percentage. Barry Bondsian numbers that cannot be sustained. But to stick around with the Rays he doesn't have to be the second coming of Johnny Bench, or even Todd Hundley, he just has to be better than Navarro. Which isn't asking a whole lot. We all know about Navarro's struggles last season. His .258 Weighted On Base Average(wOBA) was the worst of anyone in baseball last season with300+ ABs. You literally almost have to try and be that bad. The 2010 season hasn't been much better for Navarro. According to the ZiPS rest of season projections on FanGraphs, Navarro's batting line is going to look something like this: .239/.295/.352 for a .288 wOBA. Compare that with Jaso's .268/.345/.360 and .320 wOBA. Which catcher seems like the better bet to receive playing time?
Once Kelly Shoppach returns from injury the Rays will have three catchers, with only room to keep two. Having signed a two year $5.5 million dollar contract it would look as though Shoppach's position on the team is safe. However, Navarro is only signed through this season while making $2.1 million dollars. As we said on this week's podcast, we're surprised a financially strapped team like this is carrying two catchers on the roster making $2 million +. John Jaso makes far less than $1 million this season, and will continue to do so. If he keeps hitting, and there's no reason to indicate he won't, then I don't see a scenario where Dioner Navarro is on this team come August. A Shoppach/Jaso platoon behind the plate would work out quite nicely.
I'm sure Andrew Friedman and Co. have been testing the trading waters for a few weeks now. I'm not exactly sure who would want to give up anything of value for Navarro considering his current state. But if we've learned one thing from this front office over the years its to expect the unexpected. Friedman has worked his magic several times before. I don't expect that to change this time around.
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1) can Navarro be shipped to Triple-A and kept in reserve for insurance vs. injury to the other catchers?
2) are the Rays in a good position to trade him, or can teams wait for Navarro to get waived/cut? When is the trade deadline btw?
3) what teams out there are in serious need for a catcher? maybe not for the batting but for the fielding? Is Navarro still a good fielder?
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Possible answers.
1) Navarro can’t be shipped to Triple-A without first clearing waivers, which is unlikely despite his poor form, especially considering the need for catchers around MLB. Somebody is going to pick him up and try their luck.
2) I think so, yes. As I indicated above, catchers are a rarer product on the market and the status as a former all-star is going to appeal to somebody. Some teams are going to think (pray) that Navarro can turn things around. Teams could wait out on a waiver claim if it happens but it’s more likely that a team will trade some sort of low-level prospect for Navarro to ensure no competition. The trade deadline is July 31st I believe.
3) Perhaps Texas? I would think Navarro is average at best as a defensive catcher.
If the Rays can't trade Navarro
then there’s no reason he wouldn’t clear waivers. If they trade for him, they can get the Rays to still pick up a part of his salary. If he goes through waivers, then the claiming team would need to pick up his full salary. And since he’s not a veteran, he wouldn’t be able to refuse assignment if he is outrighted to AAA after clearing waivers.
So functionally, I think the team should be able to send him to AAA.
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I realize that wasn't super clear
But what I was saying is that it would be cheaper for a team to trade for Navarro than to claim him off waivers. If nobody is willing to trade for him (where the Rays would likely pick up a chunk of Navi’s salary in the deal), then nodoby would be willing to claim him off waivers either.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Navi doesnt have options left.
The Rays aren’t looking to deal Navi from a position of strength. But a lot of things can change between now and mid July.
by Erik Hahmann on May 4, 2010 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For answers to 1 + 2, see my responses to ega
For #3, the Rangers are the only team with a truly dire need. The Royals need a backup pretty badly as well, but obviously the Rays would need to pick up most of Navarro’s salary for that one to work.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Jaso has really improved behind the plate on defense, but how is his arm to second?
I can’t remember seeing him try to throw a runner out. He has definitely been a big boost to the team, even if/when he regresses to a more sustainable batting range.
I love the new full time additions to this team. Brignac, S Rod, Jaso, Soriano, Benoit are helping us get to the next level. Could AF possibly be getting any better at his job?
This is pretty crappy, but some of that suckage can probably be attributed to his previously deep squat. If he's really more upright, he'll probably see an uptick in CS.
Hopefully, major league pitchers can also do a better job holding the runner close. 17% is pretty damn bad.
Curious to see if that number improves with the reduction in squattage.
That was 2009
http://www.raysprospects.com/2009/11/top-15-hitters-14-john-jaso.html
This is the profile reference done by Imperialism32. Jaso had shoulder surgery earlier in his career.
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by Imperialism32 on May 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
His arm sucks
2.0+ pop time
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Love how this front office
can turn positions of weakness into enviable gluts of talent. Starting with SP early on, then OF after the dukes trade, MIF depth this last off season, and acquiring a catcher on the cheap this too. Though I wouldn’t call our C position ‘an enviable glut of talent’ it is certainly in the top half of the majors if Jaso can post that .320 wOBA from here on out. Also a question with the prospects of Bartlett getting traded this off season, who would be our back up SS in 2011 (Besides Derek Jeter)?
by CubFanRaysaddict on May 4, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Zobrist will back up Brignac.
S Rod at 2nd. Aybar behind him.
Here's to swimmin with bowlegged women.
makes sense
but there would probably need to be someone else availible to fill in in case of injury
Get off your bandwagon
by gforce3 on May 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow who woul dhave thought 4 years ago that the Rays would have too many great players
it is a nic eporblem to have, they should really have some good chips to trade but what do they need? Seems like they have a goo dplayer at every spot, and decent backups.
Seeing that Navi will most likely not be on the team next spring...
I would rather see if he clears waivers than send Jaso down when Shoppach returns.
My O's fan buddy laughed at me when I said the Rays were a 90-win team on opening day. He's right, they're looking more like a 105-win team.
that doesn't make any sense
If Navi has to clear waivers he would be picked up by another team or go to AAA and if Jaso were sent down also, then Shoppach would be the only catcher on the major league roster.
Get off your bandwagon
by gforce3 on May 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
than, not then
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Didn't I say don't send down Jaso and see if Navi clears waivers before sending him down? Thus leaving Shoppach and jaso as the catchers.
My O's fan buddy laughed at me when I said the Rays were a 90-win team on opening day. He's right, they're looking more like a 105-win team.
I'm still disappointed that he never came up and received a chance last year.
Yeah, yeah, Michel’s a nice story and obviously I’m a Zaun fan, but damn. Either he went from a horrendous catcher to fine over one off-season (thus defying logic) or he wasn’t that bad to begin with.
If it really took just a few workouts with a coach to change him into a better fielding catcher, why didn't someone try to work with him before?
Who else isn’t getting the proper coaching in the minors? Isn’t that where they should be working that kind of stuff out?
I doubt he's that much better.
I’m holding out hope that he’s just made a step up, whether that be from terrible to bad (or bad to mediocre, depending on how you want to classify Navi), Good stick + meh defense is better then whatever Navi’s trying to do for this team.
In 87 innings, Jaso has only been run on 3 times, all successful
Given that the Rays value aggressive base running, maybe they are very cautious about teams running all over Jaso, causing more pressure to be put on the pitchers. It will be interesting to see if he gets the Varitek/V-Mart treatment going forward.
It’s pretty miraculous he hasn’t been tested more with only one lefty in the rotation.
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Has he caught Niemann yet?
Because that’s the one pairing that gives other teams a project runway between first and second base.
If it’s all about throwing, then I think the defensive evaluations were drastically overblown.
by R.J. Anderson on May 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He did against TOR,
I think it was Overbay that nearly walked to 2nd, but someone fouled that pitch off. It almost doesn’t matter who’s catching with Neimann.
by Sticky Bandit on May 4, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
14 innings of Niemann
Just 1 attempt. Suprisingly thats the only attempt on Niemann all year. Could he have possibly sped up his time to the plate that much, or are teams that thick in the head?
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Jaso's results were pretty putrid last year.
He looked like a failing prospect whose entire value was tied in his ability to stay behind the plate which was in question for sure. With hopes of Navarro improving, and the effectiveness of a platoon with Navi and Zaun the second half of the year, there is little reason that Jaso should have been up. Over Michel? Yeah, sure, but that speaks more to our inability to find a platoon partner / other catcher, soon enough, not necessarily to how we misread Jaso.
As the sample size of horrible offensive Navarro increases, and we lost a suitable catcher to hit right handed hitters, combined with improved defensive scouting evaluations recently (although I’m pretty convinced people commenting positively on his defense is a result of them finding reasons for wanting him to stay up, which is a reasonable desire) it has only recently made more sense to bring him up.
I still attest that Zaun / Navi was the best situation we’ve had and we made a mistake in not pursuing Zaun more aggresively, although Jaso / Shoppach should match up well enough (or at least better than Navi / Shoppach).
Zaun/Shoppach minus a first rder was an option too
Zaun is a noodle arm also. So I’m quite pleased with Jaso and the pick.
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Jaso's results were pretty putrid last year.
I wouldn’t say that. He finished with a .263/.362/.363 line. His walk rate was impressive as always and he struck out the same number of times he walked.
It was just like he couldn’t hit anything but a single last year. His BABIP was 20 points lower than his career avg but his FB and GB rates were in line and he even saw a decent jump in his LD rate (6.3%).
Aside from a random lack of power and a ridiculously bad May (.431 OPS; .156 BABIP), he had a fine season last year.
by Vin on May 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
For those who missed it, the name of Jonah Keri's Rays' book is out:
The Extra 2%: How Wall Street Thinking Took a Major League Baseball Team from Worst to First
I vote for Jeremy Piven to play the role of AF when the movie drops.
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