Explaining "The Danks Theory"
DRaysBay user, Kericr, raised a good question yesterday morning - what is The Danks Theory? Allow me to apologize for using the term without ever properly explaining what it is in the first place. Basically, The Danks Theory is a phrase I've coined for a specific lineup strategy employed by Joe Maddon and the Tampa Bay Rays. By now we should all know what I'm talking about; however, here is the basic explanation...
If an opposing starting pitcher has a specific above-average pitch that he throws to a certain type of batter, then let's put a lineup together that neutralizes that pitch as much as possible, if such a line-up is possible.
No one really knows where the idea originated within the organization, but we hope to find out who is behind the concept. The name comes from when the strategy was first used in 2010 - in a start against John Danks. So far, we've seen The Danks Theory (shortening it to TDT) three times this year. All three instances have come against change-up heavy pitchers .That said, Joe Maddon and others have used this strategy before.
On September 17, 2008, the Rays were in a heated battle with the Red Sox for the division crown. With right-handed, knuckleballer Tim Wakefield on the mound, the Rays' manager decided to change things up (no pun intended). Wakefield had a long history of dominating the Rays, especially at Tropicana Field. Maddon penciled in two switch-hitters for that night - Willy Aybar and Fernando Perez - but instead of them batting from their traditional left side against the RHP, they were instructed to bat right-handed. Both players hit a home run and the Rays won 10-3. I don't remember seeing much more of the theory after that - at least until now.
*Graham Macree of Statcorner.com fame tells us teams employed a similar strategy against Jamie Moyer in the past.
You may not remember this outing, but during a May afternoon game this season, Dallas Braden worked his change-up (amongst other pitches) effectively - nay, perfectly - against the Rays. Braden's change-up is arguably his best weapon and this year he is throwing it 24.7% of the time - 28.9% of the time to right-handed batters and just 13.1% of lefties. Employing the regular platoon splits, the Rays started seven RHB against Braden that fateful day. Safe to say, it didn't work out.
Back on April 20th, the Rays were set to face John Danks. Like Braden, Danks is a lefty and his best offering is a change-up. He has thrown it 21% of the time in 2010 and, also like Braden, he throws it much more against righties (27%) than lefties (10%). The Rays once again started seven RHB. Danks pitched eight innings - allowing one earned run. He threw 29 change-ups.
A few weeks after Braden's perfecto, the Rays faced Danks again. However, this time they started four left-handed batters instead of two in the previous outing. The Rays would rough up Danks for eight runs in four innings. They saw only 15 change-ups in total.
Twice in the past 10 days we've seen TDT put in motion against right-hander Shaun Marcum. Marcum has thrown a change-up 21% of the time in 2010, with righties seeing the pitch 14% of the time and lefties seeing it double the amount at 28%. The Rays loaded the line-up with righties both times. Surprisingly, Marcum stuck to the change-up in both outings; however, the results (20 hits with 11 earned runs in 12.1 innings) suggests that overall, he was much less effective than normal. Danks Theory? Or just two bad starts? Who knows?
Knowing what we know about putting faith in small sample sizes, we cannot say that A) the Danks theory really exists, and B) that it actually works. In general, a team should field its best nine players - ignoring small platoon splits along the way. However, when you know your team struggles in certain situations and you know a certain pitcher can exploit that weakness, it makes sense to at least think outside the box.
Over a larger sample size the results are almost guaranteed to vary, but like most of the Rays moves, you have to appreciate the process and admit it's pretty fun to watch them play out.
For more takes on TDT, check out what Tom Tango and Jack Moore have written on the subject.
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I like the thought process, but at some point it is going a bit too far
I’m all for Maddon to adjust around the edges to play these matchups. However our studs need to play. If the plan is to go righty heavy then I’m all for it. However Pena and CC needs to still play. Bench Brignac and Jaso for righties in that case.
I’m all for the occassional rest, but I just don’t want to see BJ/Carlos/Evan/Crawford/BenZo to ever sit based upon a matchup.
Go Gators!!
As we saw this time vs. Marcum
CC and Los we’re in the game. I agree certain players are above platoon splits and you mentioned them all.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 11, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just worried that we'll overrate the 3 games of success and overuse this.
EVERYONE HIT FOR HOMERS! YOU TOO PENA! Every hit should be a homer! EVEN THE BUNT ATTEMPTS!
Doubt it. The people in Baseball Ops are too smart.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 11, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, I don't think it will be used every time we see a guy who throws alot of change-up or other certain pitch
In terms of run values, Marcum, Danks, and Braden all have Top 10 change-ups in the AL. Brett Cecil is also in the top 10, yet we saw a somewhat traditional line-up last night.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How'd that work out?
Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 11, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And Joe...
…is a moron. Last night was managed terribly. Our RHB’s should have been in there.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 11, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase..
CC should have been in there and the switch hitters should have hit from their natural side.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 11, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree about CC
But you wanted Zobrist and Aybar to bat from the left-side vs Cecil? Danks Theory Style?
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely...
RHB are hitting .229 against Cecil… LHB only .153… why would you bat from the left against him if you’re better from the right?
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 11, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No. He's not.
He’s one of the two or three best managers in baseball. Most managers wouldn’t even consider doing this, not along get their players to go along with it so easily.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 11, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
I, like Joe, am amused at the sniping by the “fans” and the media taking pot shots at Joe when the rays lose. I doubt that any of these interwebz experts could be trusted to mange my kids AAU team, despite the depth of knowledge they profess.
I think Maddon is a good manager
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t mismanage at times. If Crawford isn’t going to play it one thing, but if he brings him in to pinch run in a situations where he would have to play the field, he could have brought him in two innings sooner and not severely downgraded his defense.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
why is this not just common practice?
just look at the splits… lefties hit Danks better… always have. question should be wtf took him so long to realize it?
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 11, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
One or two years of it is small enough to attribute to sample size
Get a third, and there’s a real pattern
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3?
2008, 2009, 2010… so his whole career except for his rookie season (when he was bad to both sides really), LHB’s have hit Danks better than RHB’s…
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Maddon one of the first managers to make the shift "common"?
I really don’t recall seeing it nearly as much up until he started doing it against Ortiz. I could have just missed it, but this is my recollection.
If true, quite ironic, that his strategy contributed to handcuffing our power hitter (who I hope is warming up)
I know he didn't create the shift, but loves to use it more than anybody else
Beyond the Ortiz shift, we’ve also seen the five-infielder shift and the four outfielders.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 11, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know he didn't invent it, but it seemed to catch on once we started doing it. Became more mainstream.
For people that sometimes knock Joe (and I have my questions from time to time as well) I ask you this: What the hell is wrong with going against unconventional wisdom? Just because everyone has done everything the same for 100 years, why is it so wrong to go against the grain a little bit? If it weren’t for trying things there would be no such thing as “ideas”. We’d still have pitchers going 9 innings, 3 man bull pens, pitchers always batting, NO LIGHT BEER!!!, etc.
Even though moves may look unconventional to us, understand that the moves are well thought out. They aren’t above scrutiny, however.
When we win, I didn’t hear anyone coming in here barking “Joe is an idiot” for his lineup changes. But we lose the third game of a series and now ‘JOE IS A MORON, SKY IS FALLING’.
I'd argue that the world would be perfectly fine without light beer.
Great point, though. Right on the money.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 11, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The CH is fast becoming the pitch most young players are trying to develop
so based on this i think TDT certainly has some merit, especially v soft tossers
Teams did this against Tom Glavine in the past too
They would stack the lineup with lefties to take away that dead fish change-up he would throw over the batter’s box line and get strike calls on.
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
I was a Braves fan for many years.
If I was not, I am sure I would have been pissed about Glavine always getting the off the plate strike call. On nights he was not getting that call he got lit up.
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I like this and it seems to be working.
Maybe it’s just getting inside the pitcher’s head…

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