Why The Rays Need To Make A Big Move At The Deadline
Over the past few weeks the Rays have obviously not played up to their standards. They've gone from having a five game division lead to now being tied with the Yankees. Many people are going into panic mode. While it's still too early to go all Chick Little on the season, the team's struggles, particularly on offense, have been aggravating. Players like B.J. Upton (.346 wOBA) and Sean Rodriguez (.349 wOBA) struggled early on, but have used recent hot streaks to pull their numbers up to respectable levels. Others, namely Willy Aybar, Jason Bartlett, Pat Burrell, Hank Blalock, Gabe Kapler and Dioner Navarrohaven't been so lucky, each posting a wOBA below .300 thus far.
The DH position, as it seems to be throughout the league this season, has more or less been a non-factor. As a whole, Rays' DHs have a slash line of .255/.314/.390 with a .312 wOBA. What's more amazing is that they have a Batting Average on Balls in Play (BABIP) of .315, which ranks third in the AL, but an Isolated Power (ISO) of just .134. That's an amazing disparity. For comparison, the BABIP of the Ranger's DH's is .317 and they're ISO is .200. And before you cry out about their hitter friendly ballpark assisting that total, the Orioles' DH BABIP is lower at .313 and their ISO is higher at .218. Ties were cut with incumbent DH, the aforementioned Pat Burrell, a few weeks ago after a severely disappointing year and change in Tampa Bay. His replacement was fan favorite Blalock, who has actually been worse than Burrell, albeit in less at bats. Aybar has also started a few games at the position, along with John "You're Not Sending Me Down" Jaso. In any case, the position remains a revolving door and the cast of characters the Rays have thrown into the mix have yet to produce. This leaves me with one question.
Is this the time for the Rays to make a big move?
Yes.
A window to win a title is not something that is left open for long, and thus shouldn't be taken for granted. Sure, the Yankees and Red Sox seem to have championship windows the size of the Tony LaRussa's ego, but they're the outliers. For all intents and purposes this is the best shot the Rays will ever have at winning a title. Key players such as Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, and Rafael Soriano are in the last seasons of their contracts, the bench has never been deeper, and the rotation is the strongest it's ever been 1-5. Eventhough the organization has built up excellent depth to still be able to field a competitive team when those key players do depart, it's hard to project they'll be as good as their predecessors. The time to win is now.
The Rays are one of the few teams who could get virtually any player they targeted in a trade. I'm not saying the Rays wouldsell the farm to get one player, but the pieces are there if they so chose to go that route. The most popular names being thrown around by fans are Prince Fielder, Adrian Gonzalez, and Luke Scott. Adding any one of their bats to the middle of this lineup would surely (ok, hopefully?) give the Rays a big enough boost to put them over the top. It's hard to pin that on one player, but you understand the thought process. It would likely take more to get Gonzalez because he is signed to an extremely club friendly contract through the 2011 season. He's currently making $4.75 million and has a team option for $5.5 million in 2011. The Padres would be right to ask for a lot in return for the slugger, so it makes me reluctant to want to do such a deal. Fielder is in nearly the same boat, though he makes substantially more than Gonzalez this season ($10.5mm). That leaves Scott looking as the more viable option. The Oriole outfielder currently makes $4.05 million, but would be arbitration eligible after the season. He'd be looking at a salary in the $6 million and up range, making it highly doubtful the Rays would offer him arbitration.
Keep in mind that the first big in season trade Andrew Friedman makes will be his first, unless you're giant fans of Chad Bradford and Gregg Zaun. I do not envy Mr. Friedman at this moment. He's faced with one of the toughest decisions of his young tenure as a General Manager. Making a call that turns out to be correct could propel this team to the top of the baseball universe. Making a call that turns out to be wrong could burn the franchise for years to come. What would you do in his shoes? I know my answer.
*All contract info courtsey of Cot's Baseball Contracts
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Ruggiano??
why Ruggiano instead of Jennings or Matt Joyce?? me and my kids are on a roadtrip and watched Joyce get on base 10 times out of 10 at bats so far………. 8 hits 2 walks……hit TWO rockets off the left field BLUE monster in Durham sunday off of a left handed pitcher…………ruggiano MAKES zero sense
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Ruggiano is a Kapler clone. That's who he's replacing
That said, Joyce should be on this team instead of Blalock.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 15, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because Ruggiano will be back in Durham soon
When Joyce or Jennings come up it’ll be permanent
by sattp on Jun 15, 2010 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why would the Padres be anymore inclined to trade
Gonzalez than the Rays would want to trade Carlos Pena at this point?
Aren’t both teams in first place as we speak?
I could see them taking on Bartlett, their stick at SS has been woeful and Barty could use the NL transition to finish this season stronger.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe all we needed to do was stick PtB in the OF on a regular basis
it’s working pretty well for the Giants
Maybe all we needed to do was ship him to the NL so he could be less terrible.
Oh wait, we did that already. My bad.
He's had his best games against AL pitching...
The bigger issue is that it’s ten games and eventually his poor defense will outweigh any offensive contribution.
Probably true, but you just knew
he’d do this exact thing at least on a short term basis
The dude’s on fire—over 1100 OPS
Going 2/3 in a game with 2 singles would be an OPS of 1.332ish
Yowza one good game means anybody could be on fire.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Before you speak , a simple check of his stats would
show you he has as many HR (2) in his 27 AB than he had all season with the Rays
In fact he has 2 more
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize you could hear me.
So is the NL that bad or is he that big of a prick? You seem to be an expert on all these topics, do tell.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Working on a piece regarding switching leagues
No timetable for publish though
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You should just base it around Milton Bradley
He is the prototype.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't he have reverse splits?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how that matters here, unless you are saying that he hits better in the AL than the NL
Then we throw that data point away because it disagrees with are pre-supposed conclusion. Maybe Orlando Cabrera would be a better starting point.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I am saying that he hits better in the AL than the NL
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What's his sample size for both?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
sample size, regression and process--the three rules of DRB
those terms can make Joey Gaithright a HOFer
Clearly you've learned nothing by reading with a statement like that
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a good checklist of any statistical analysis no matter the topic.
Joey Gathright would be pretty close to an average player since his career would be so heavily regressed.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not helping your claims that you don't troll
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness...
I was able to trade two-time All Star Joey Gathright for a young Ryan Zimmerman in my The Show 2006 franchise.
So clearly he was better than we thought.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of Burrell's AB with the Giants have come v AL pitching
I’m not saying ‘i told you so’ with him, but many times i and others posted he is not a part time player as he had become with the Rays
Where am i saying we keep him?
just pointing out how well he’s doing, and was prepared to leave it at that, till the Rays apologists jumped on board
Not sure what you're talking about, I'm much more objective than you are
Care to wager O/U what Burrell’s NL wOBA will be at the end of the year? I’m not a welcher like Sutty
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Right here?
Maybe all we needed to do was stick PtB in the OF on a regular basis it’s working pretty well for the Giants
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
.....
Furthermore, the money spent on Burrell is gone. It’s not like you have a chance to recover it So why make it worse by having to watch him day in, day out?
It’s like buying a couch and then hating it. Get rid of it. I did just that once. The money was gone and by having to lok at that ugly couch everyday made it double the pain
by sternfan1 on May 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
To me i’d hate to see Blalock put ip the type of numbers he’s done in past MLB seasons when healthy with another team, when we had him
I’m all for cutting Burrell loose and platooning the DH role with Aybar and Blalock
by sternfan1 on May 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
First off they’re winning and i’m here second—you can take Upton and Burrell and stick them as far up your ass as you can get them
by sternfan1 on May 12, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
As bad as Silva is, he’s still more serviceable to the Cubs than Burrell Where was Burrell going to play, and especially if they sign Byrd?
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by rglass44 on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
again, i'm not at all saying we should not have released him
btw—you learn your post searching from FreeZo?
I saw that after I got the comments together.
That’s what it seemed you were saying. Not the usual inane psychobabble about Burrell making the worst DH ever.
So then why say anything?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Well played
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that's too bad for him, his glove detracts so much from his offense that it's probably closer to break even than you think
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess he's simply not a DH
We should have paid closer attention to those 500+ AB he had at that spot prior to the Rays signing him
So now you're saying it's that he's a tremendous prick?
I get that there is a DH penalty, but it does not equal going from a .650 OPS to 1.100.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Some guys accept being a DH others don't--he didn't
and it may not be because he’s a prick
He knew he'd be a DH before he signed the contract
If you don’t want to DH, don’t sign somewhere that wants to play you as a DH. I highly doubt that’s the problem.
Selgy
Luke Scott please.
DO IT NAO!
Would there be any chance we could flip Barty for him?
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 7:38 AM EDT reply actions
Having to play Reid vs LHP hurts the Rays, who already struggle vs lefties
2010 #’s speak to this not being true. In terns of projecting going forwards, Bartlett is considerably better vs LHP. Of course if the Rays were comfortable with SRod at SS vs LHP, it could be a possiblity.
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What about Zobie donning his old position?
His defense is stellar elsewhere; can’t we expect it to be at least average at SS?
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SRod is a former SS too
Zobrist’s track record at SS was pretty bad, granted his success at 2B and RF may point to it being overstated, but I’d go with SRod and based on PT so far, I think the Rays would too.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense.
I’d just like Zobrist to be eligible for yet one more position in fantasy baseball. :)
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I believe in this club, in CC, Longo, Jason Bartlett! We don't need any others!
But we should trade for a manager, that knows how to write a LINE-UP!
How about Wade Davis for Cliff Lee?
We get the picks after this year to replenish the farm system. We put Hell-boy in the 5 slot next year and we can always pick up a back end of the rotation guy if an injury occurs. I just love the idea of a Lee, Garza, Price, Shields rotation in the playoffs. The M’s are getting a cheap, good young pitcher under team control for awhile and we get the best lefty in the game for our playoff run.
No, this doesn’t solve the problem of needing more offense … but it’s Cliff Freaking Lee!
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I imagine it'll take more than Wade to get Lee
by sattp on Jun 15, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can't be too much more though.
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
The only big prospect I remember getting traded in the last few years was LaPorta. That only happened because they sent CC back around the 1st of June, IIRC.
It seems trades have been more for volume of prospects than high ceiling guys. I would consider Davis a high ceiling guy. I may be over-valuing him though.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
From BRef
July 7, 2008: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Milwaukee Brewers for a player to be named later, Rob Bryson (minors), Zach Jackson and Matt LaPorta. The Milwaukee Brewers sent Michael Brantley (October 3, 2008) to the Cleveland Indians to complete the trade.
What are you talking about? The only prospect you remember in the last few years was LaPorta?
Santana? Any of the Phillies? Aumont? Bell? A million others?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, Santana I forgot about. But would you consider Aumont or Bell to be high ceiling "A" level guys?
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they are both "big prospects." Certainly both had ranked in pre-season top 100s when they were traded.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
And what about Drabek, Taylor and D'arnaud?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. As I said, I may be over-valuing Davis.
Seattle was moving Aumont to the pen before the trade and I always thought Drabek was not as highly ranked as Davis was.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither was LaPorta though
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, Aumont and D'arnaud were traded for a full year of Lee.
Drabek and the other Phillies were traded for a full year of Halladay.
We’d be getting a 1/2 season or less out of Lee.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not what you said though
The only big prospect I remember getting traded in the last few years was LaPorta.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
6 months of Lee?
Maybe not
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the price is right.
I bet the Rays inquire at some point. Their asking price might be too exorbitant, though.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 15, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting idea, my thinking is that we could use another extremely good lefty. Lee is assuredly going to be a type-A so I'm not sure Wade would be enough
it would probably take another throw in to go with Davis, but Narwhal makes it an easier decision, as does the arms behind him. I’d hate to see big Wade go, but I’d love to watch us in the Series.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The timing on this is funny
I’ve got a bit more on Cliff Lee coming up in an hour.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 15, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just taking a look at him through Sky's TVC, should I hold off?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it's more a passing reference or two.
Go for it…I mostly put the idea out there, thinking it’d be a bit novel.
He’s been friggin’ ridiculous this season.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 15, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If you assume that the going rate of a win on the open market is $4.5M (it's not, but I'd rather be high than low here) and if you assume that Lee will pull in another 3 WAR following a trade and be paid $4M for the back half of the season, and
will be a Type A free agent, then he has a surplus value of $14.7M. If you think the going rate of a win is $3M then he’s worth a surplus of $10.2M. This gives us a range at least to look at what kind of prospects it would take to lock down the man with the golden left arm. According to Victor Wang a top-10 pitching prospect is worth $15.2M. One problem is that Wang calculated that figure assuming that 1 WAB (win above bench) was worth $4.88M. This doesn’t match with the model we’ve built so far. In our model $3M/WAR would translate that $15.2M into $24.7M while at $4.5M/WAR it would translate to $16.5M. If you consider Wade Davis to be a top-10 prospect pitcher (I do) then he would probably be too strong of a piece, going solely by the numbers. There is something to be said for an “all-in” year with potential playoff revenue ahead.
To summarize:
$3M/WAR
Wade Davis ($24.7M) > Cliff Lee ($14.7M)
$4.5M/WAR
Wade Davis ($16.5M) > Cliff Lee ($10.2M)
A top 76-100 pitcher is worth $9.8M ($10.6 – $15.9 adjusted). The February 2010 BA prospect rankings don’t show a Rays prospect in that range. T-Bex and A. Colome clock in at 67 & 68 so should probably be looked at as the ceiling of any potential trade. In my opinion, Wade Davis would be too much to give up, strictly by the numbers.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So to further clarify, I would trade Colome straight up for Lee, but would obviously prefer a quantity package of no-name spects
over what looks to be a young stud pitcher.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
We lost a 5 game lead because the Yankees played the Astros, Indians and Orioles (twice) in 16 games
duh! They get to beat up all the easy teams and 9 out of those 13 games were home.
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We go 2-2 at home v WSox, and lose a series at home v Marlins--that's unacceptable
not to mention being swept by the Bosox at home
Sox fans say that about a 4-0 Rays sweep at home
Yanks say it about a 2-0 Rays sweep at home
All teams hit low points
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet we have the best record in baseball--good
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
There’s this theory that this became an all-in year when they paid $7 million for Soriano. But the reality is there was little opportunity cost to add him. The strength of this team will continue to be its developmental system. It’s also what has added the most value to the franchise.
If they can add a piece for an attractive cost, they will do it. I don’t expect to see any sort of all-in move however b/c this is make-or-break.
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Exactly
And if we consider this year an “all-in” type year then I’d hesitate to worry to much about someone’s added value next year.
Additionally, say we can add Adrian Gonzalez for an MVB++ package. I do it in a heart beat. He then replaces Pena next year at 1B buying us time to come up with a solution there. We’d also have the option of moving him next year if we’re out of contention.
In all honesty, the Yanks and Sawx both look to have much more of a window for competetition than we do. The Yanks nucleus is old and locked in for a long time (except Jetes who I assume will be extended at a far above market rate), and the Sox pitching staff looks awful going forward. They both look like they could be in for a Yanks’ 2008 in the enar future. I’d rather have a 90-95 win team for the enxt 5 years with the chance that one of those teams wins it all then try to win 97 this year at the expense of 2011 and beyond.
This may be a dumb question
but any concern of Adrian Gonzo or Prince coming over and having the NL to ALE problems that seem to rear their head?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Adrian's park dumbs his offense down so hard that I worry less about him.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
without knowing what year they are in there contracts (so kinda just throwing names out)
How about a guy like Lance Berkman, having a down year but would work well as a SH DH who could spell Pena at 1B at time.
and Paul Konerko is having a big year so his price may be too high but he would be a good option as well if Chicago is looking to rebuild.
If we do make a big trade I would rather see it revolve heavily on a guy like Bartlett/Niemann (A MLB guy who has a replacement in waiting , Briggy and Hellickson) than a guy like Colome or Moore
Really?
As a DH/COF he’d be fine. He’s a good bat that won’t cost too much and will be gone next year.
Quick check has ZiPS with him around .340 rest of season.
He wouldn’t touch the outfield — or shouldn’t — and I don’t think his bat is all that better than Aybar’s. Plus he’s a nut.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Has this officially become a rosterbation thread?
If so, I’d like to throw the name Adam Dunn out there.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
This is largely due to their PR more than anything.
They have a good thing going up here right now, and I have a hard time believing they’ll make the smart move and try to sell everything taht isn’t nailed down.
They should trade him then sign him back in the offseason.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the Bradford pickup was nice:
he was solid during the 2008 postseason run, except maybe during the WS—but then again, the rest of the team was pretty low then too.
Here’s the question: who else wants Luke Scott too? Yanks? Red Sox? Does anyone see a bidding war on the horizon?
They'll get in if it makes sense for them, reminds me of Xavier Nady whom the Yanks gave up something for
The really nice thing about Scott is that he plays pretty decent defense in the OF. Berkman, Prince, A-Gon, and Konerko are all relegated to 1B.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
The really nice thing about Scott is that he plays pretty decent defense in the OF.
Is that true? From watching him out there he looks awful. I guess he might could pass in LF, but he’s a LHH like CC. Just peeped it. Guess he’s OK. I’m pretty shocked.
Not all good defenders are Stallionaires.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Too early. Dan does work in September.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get the public's perception of Bartlett
but even a slightly closer look will show that he’s declining defensively and last year’s offensive outburst was extremely fluky.
I don’t get how he’s a positive trade chip right now. Whether its Adrian Gonzalez or Luke Scott, I don’t think he’s got enough value to be the centerpiece in any kind of worthwhile deal… unless its for a reliever (no joke intended).
I got an Irish name and an injury; blessing and a curse cast down on me.
At which point his bat vs lefties is too valuable to this season to give up
Thats the one thing that wasn’t fluky about last season
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
can anyone imagine what it would be like if we signed Vladdy?
the man was a friggin steal, why did we not have more interest?
This might have something to do with it
Vladdy is washed up and a bum
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He only hits at home, right?
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you make that up?
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you're talking about
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot of people thought he was washed up
after his one down year in his entire career. he is THE reason texas is doing so well.
by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Nelson Cruz, Josh Hamilton, Elvis Andrus, C.J. Wilson, and Colby Lewis
Would all be completely useless without Vlad.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't say that
i said he is the reason they are doing so well. remove him and they are not in first place.
by davidsmarch on Jun 15, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
For the record, FreeZo didn't say that quote, clearly I C/P from above and changed the month
Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha
I remember feeling uninterested given the price tag. Didn’t think I would have called him a bum. He’s got the Blalock splits going on to a degree.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it is time to spend our trading chips on Gonzo and go for the WS.
By getting Gonzo, it means that out competition did not get him and I really dont want to see him on Boston.
We dont want to be the old man who dies without spending the money he has saved all his life. The goal is to win a WS and if Gonzo can put us over the top for 3~ prospects, lets do it.
If they get him, they can resign him after 2011 or trade him next year pre/mid season or get the picks for Type A status. 2 picks back to “replenish” and overflowing system, add with whatever we get for Soriano, Friedman will have seemingly recouped the ‘losses’ sent to San Diego.
Prospects are not sure things but All Star 1B are (Pena is leaving after this season, would be nice to replace an All Star with an All Star.)
This is all meaningless if the Padres can stay in first place, but I see the Doyers overtaking them at some point and hopefully for us, it is before the trade deadline.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
We are not dying
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
If you don’t mortgage the future, and continue to successfully develop players? Every year won’t be the same, but they should expect to remain competitive.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But how do we know the future players wont bust out?
I would rather accquire a known commodity. Same with the NFL draft, if I can trade a 2nd rounder for a pro bowler, you do it. The odds of that 2nd rounder becoming a pro bowler are slim.
Lets win now by giving up some of our overstocked farm (pitching most likely). A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow so lets get after that WS this year while we are in first place.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Trading a spect isn't mrotgaging the future, trading several could be
You don’t put yourself in a position where you have to make a trade. If the price is right, you do it. No spect is foolproof, with the rich farm system you can reasonably assume several players will pan out.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Adrian is the only guy 'on the market' I would pony up for.
But all this talk is for nothing if the Padres contend and I hope they do since we wont trade for him and the Socks will.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
I think the Rays have a bit more room to move around than what people are giving them credit for
Our players have to go somewhere. There are only finite amount of roster spots and we have tons of talent. Of course you can let them walk for picks, or trade vets for prospects, or prospects for vets.
IMHO vets for prospects is the correct move the majority of time, but at some point you have to switch it around. Especially if a certain position is overstocked.
We are currently at that stage, and have been for awhile, with SP. Andrew has been brilliant in terms of trimming some of the fat, but at this point we might as well make a splash. We have elite young prospects or elite vets. Something has to go. We will have MLB ready guys consistently over the next few years.
If we can package a Davis, Barty, B/B+ spect for Adrian we do it.
If we don’t, then we have to make a trade in the offseason. Why not now?
I’m all for stock piling the minors, but at some point you have to do something with the backlog. You really only need 5 to 6 starters.
Go Gators!!
what about DeJesus of the royals?
i would love to have him
one more year Brett Favre!
I'd take him, Kila, Butler, and Soria for Bartlett, Kapler, Navarro, Blalock, Wheeler
that’s 5 guys that could step in tomorrow and fill a role
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody we can snag off Toronto?
THEY HIT HRS!
Serious note, the already dead teams of BAL, CLE, KC, SEA, PIT, HOU, MIL, ARI-Slim pickins there. Only Lee/Fielder have any good value that are near attainable. Luke Scott is the only guy that fits Rays’ budget.
If we expand to potential dead teams-TOR, CHW, OAK, CHC-there’s a potential bat from those teams.
PIZZA?!?

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