Tampa Bay Rays Owner Stuart Sternberg: "Baseball will not work long-term in downtown St. Pete"
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 PM EDT
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ST. PETERSBURG, FL-Following a meeting with St. Petersburg Mayor Bill Foster, Tampa Bay Rays principal
owner Stuart Sternberg said the team wants to explore all potential new ballpark options within Tampa Bay,
including those outside St. Petersburg and Pinellas County."The future of Major League Baseball in Tampa Bay depends on finding the optimal site for a new ballpark,"
said Sternberg. "It is my conviction that if baseball is to survive and flourish in Tampa Bay for the long-term,
we must rise above municipal boundaries and work together with a common interest."Added Sternberg, "We will consider any potential ballpark site in Tampa Bay, but only as part of a process that
considers every ballpark site in Tampa Bay."Sternberg said he believes baseball can succeed in Tampa Bay and that he is committed to doing all he can to keep the team in the region.
"When I assumed control of the Rays almost five years ago, it was commonly assumed that winning would
change everything at Tropicana Field. Everyone believed that with a winning team on the field, fans would fill
the stands. That has not been the case."Sternberg continued, "Our ability to compete and, quite frankly, to survive rests on our ability to attract people
and businesses to our ballpark. Our customers are our fans. And like any other business, we need to be in a
location that is convenient for our fans to reach us."
In discussing the Rays future, Sternberg confirmed that he wants the team to remain in Tampa Bay but for that
to happen a regional discussion needs to begin soon.
"Baseball in the Tampa Bay area does not belong to Stu Sternberg, just as it doesn't belong to St. Petersburg
or Tampa, Pinellas or Hillsborough. It is a regional asset. It belongs to our fans throughout the region. For
this asset to be preserved, a comprehensive process to explore a new ballpark must begin. That process
needs to consider all possible locations throughout Tampa Bay - meaning Tampa and Hillsborough as well."Sternberg said being able to explore all possible stadium options to keep the team in Tampa Bay was "the right thing for our fans and for all the residents of Tampa Bay."
Until that discussion began in earnest, he continued, the team cannot and will not make a decision on a future ballpark in Tampa Bay and the air of uncertainty over the future of Major League Baseball in the area will
continue to linger."The Rays are a valued member of our regional community, and that's exactly how we want things to remain,"
Sternberg said. "We appreciate all the support we have received from our loyal base of fans and supporters in
both turning around this franchise and in trying to figure out how to keep it here in Tampa Bay."Sternberg concluded, "The Rays organization stands ready to engage. We have an opportunity to secure the
future of Major League Baseball in Tampa Bay. I look forward to working with you."
Note that the quote contained in the headline of this post is pulled directly from the press conference itself, but is not included in the press release.
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Heartbreak Kid
I know this is a reality if Rays baseball is to really thrive, but its sad nonetheless. I love the Trop, for a lot of reasons, but mainly because its all i really know of major league ball. Its been my home, so to speak, for many years. And while i understand all the knocks the park takes, I always feel giddy when I’m there, like part of some weird experiment that caught on, or a funny little in-joke for us Rays fans…
Also, if a new park is built outside of St. Pete, and to some extent, Pinellas, that will be kind of sad, too.
Its a shame the stands aren’t filled. Logistics aside, I think its really unfortunate. I understand that a trip from, say, Brandon to the Trop is kind of a bitch, but I moved from St. Pete to Fort Myers a few years ago, and I still make it up regularly. Am I better fan? No, but I do believe you don’t know what you’ve got till its gone, and I always took it for granted that I could hop on 275 in the Point and be at the park in less than ten minutes. I think others will feel the same if (and when) they move it to Channelside, or out by Ray Jay, or whatever…
All that aside, lets shake off this slump, get the rotation back in kick ass mode, and TAKE BACK FIRST!!!!!!
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by RockyRippleColtsFan on Jun 21, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
So he just officially said what a lot of people have been saying
I’m indifferent on the whole stadium issue. I’m good with the one we have now. And I’m good with getting a new one. It is nice having it in Pinellas, but if the better economic move is Tampa, that’s fine. Whatever keep the team local and competitive.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 21, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"whatever keeps the team local and competitive"
That’s the whole point right there. Well said.
by jwgator on Jun 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention that the stadium they pitched in 08 only seated like 37k.
I completely understand cutting your overhead (the trop) so that you can afford to be competitive.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't the rent free for the Rays at the Trop?
I thought the city owns the Trop and team leases for free? What’s the Trop’s overhead then to the team? I
I don't think this is true
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Rent is low
But almost no team pays significant rent. Most teams’ “rent” is the property taxes they would pay if the stadium wasn’t on land owned by the city. They’re called PILOTs (payments in lieu of taxes). I suspect that’s the deal the Rays have as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gonna agree with trancel
Sign OJ Da Juiceman
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, totally agree
I like living 5 minutes away from the Trop, but I’m not going to be selfish and stamp my feet and demand the team stay there. Of course, I am partial to the Carillon area of Pinellas over other proposed sites, but in the end I’m all for the team playing in the best spot for Tampa Bay, regardless of county.
Too bad I’m not Bill Foster, mayor of St. Petersburg.
Nice (unnecessarily inflammatory) headline, RJ
Now tell us, where does your quote appear in the article?
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
Well...
It’s not in that article you linked (which looks familiar….) and I cannot watch the video presently due to tech issues.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
Just would have read better if RJ had explained that in his piece. The way he left it contributed to my misimpression.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He said it in the press conference.
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Are you dense?
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Can you read?
I did not have the benefit of watching the press conference. RJ posted something labeled as the “full presser,” which did not contain the quote that he used as the headline.
If he said that exact quote at some other point in the press conference, it really wouldn’t have been a big deal to throw that in an extra sentence or two after the block quote. But the way it was done, it left the impression that the block quote is all Stu said, and RJ was editorializing in his headline but making it look like an exact quote.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. My bad.
I thought there was a link up there for the whole presser.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The full press release.
And it’s rather insulting that you think I would label my opinion as Stu’s words.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, be insulted then.
If your headline contains a quote, your article should at least reference the quote. It’s really that fucking simple.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe instead of coming out and accusing me of trying to stir the flames you should've asked.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
Although I readily admit I did so in a snarky, sarcastic tone.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my point.
I didn’t realize the quote was not contained in the presser. A simple “Where does that quote in the headline come from?” works far better than: “Nice (unnecessarily inflammatory) headline, RJ” especially when you damn well know I don’t have a track record of posting forged quotes.
And yes, I will add where the headline quote is from to the post now. Thank you for suggesting it.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Check the announcement thread, if you scroll half way down, you'd see the dozens of people quoting the exact same quote AS THEY HEARD it come from STU'S MOUTH.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Kinda making my point
There shouldn’t be required homework that your reader has to do in order to understand your headline.
Now that I’ve read the press conference thread, I’ve seen the dozens of references to that quote. But when I saw this article, I hadn’t read that thread yet. Thus making the headline confusing and misleading in relationship to the article it topped.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If you take the time to have an opinion you should probably take the time to look at more than one source
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Next time I'll ask you which headline to use rather than the one Tommy asked me to use.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Multiple people pulled the same quote.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Heard him say it, quote's legit.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I don't doubt it . . . now that I've read the other thread
Actually once FreeZo vouched for it.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jun 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
best point i've seen made about the stadium
is they put the stadium on the wrong side of the lot when they built it. if they had put it close to downtown st pete instead of putting the parking lot there it would have created more room to built a stadium community. Instead there is basically just one bar within walking distance of the stadium.
Good Point
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
In other news, "Rays' flaws starting to show!"... according to Steve Barfume.
Didn’t take long.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100621/baseball-tonight-clubhouse
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Wow I was with him for the first half, but then he just went off the wall.
WTF does this even mean:
David Price pitched well in Sunday’s loss at Florida, but he missed a chance to take the American League lead in wins. This is where the relative youth of Tampa Bay’s pitching staff creates a question about maintaining a high performance level all the way through the 162-game grind.
Because he didn’t re-assume the AL wins lead the team doesn’t know how to play a full season’s worth of games? I’d blame the writer, but really an editor has no business green-lighting this. Just awful.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This explains most everything.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Fair point. It seems like the most likely location would be somewhere in Gateway, be it Toytown, Airco (v. unlikely), Derby Lane, or somewhere else.
The big downfall from that is that no matter where it goes there will be some public funding. In exchange for that public funding the stadium should provide some sort of economic development boost. Unfortunately there isn’t really anything to boost in Gateway, unless other development is built around it to take advantage of that. But where is that money going to come from?
It’s a tough question, and one that I don’t see moving anywhere with the economy in the state it is.
Sign OJ Da Juiceman
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the point
And why I hate it when people use Market size.
Link to this chart?
This would be a great tool to utilize in attendance disputes with friends
ESPN -- The Red Sox Network
by St Pete Native on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.abc-baseball.com/_resources/browse/file/abc-final-report-ppt-presentation.pdf
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a rec, was this in the ABC report?
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is perfect.
Where did you get it?
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Slide #30
http://www.abc-baseball.com/_resources/browse/file/abc-final-report-ppt-presentation.pdf
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Carillon is a nice place.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
So Toytown and Carillon look like the hotspots?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Can't do St.Pete,
Al Lang is a nice place but IDK if it draws enough of a crowd.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
Nope. Hillsborough County, yo.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sod Farm?
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wondering the same thing
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
I'm hoping that's the north-side of Tampa
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like all those sites are in Pinellas
Hills sites are maybe on another page?
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
That still ends up in butt ass nowhere
There are only three places that make significantly more sense, in my opinion:
- Near Raymond James Stadium
- On the Pinellas side of the Howard Frankland Bridge
- In the park north of the University of Tampa
Almost anywhere else, and you’re still not getting much of a higher percentage of the population close to the stadium.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm biased due to formerly living in Orlando, I know this, but no one else is carrying the torch, so I will.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando should only be a focus as far as TV Market goes.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 21, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That's stupid, you don't turn your back on a million plus people.
I went to school with so many people from the Tampa area and we went to a lot of games on weekends. We would have gone to more if it was feasible.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
HSR to Orlando is a great benefit.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the view from the Boys and Girls Club location North of UT.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7118/13897380.jpg
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THERE ARE NO GIRLS IN THE BOYS CLUB
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I think the traffic around RayJay is a major detriment on the weekdays. It works fine on Sundays for football but having the game contend with afternoon rush hour with people on the way home doesn't seem like the right fit.
Other two locations seem well and good enough though.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I think it's Farmville.
That shit is everywhere now.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
by SeanDubbs on Jun 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sod farm is across 275 from Toy Town
Sign OJ Da Juiceman
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 21, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The bay really kills our numbers
No matter where you put it you have a huge chunk of “within 30 min drive” that is just water
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
One thing to keep in mind though
Is that in the official MSAs, “Tampa/St. Pete” includes all of Pinellas, Pasco and Hillsborough counties, but does NOT include Bradenton, Sarasota, etc.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Is it possible for Stu to see the residence of the credit cards used to purchase tickets to find which area is buying the most tickets?
Is this possible and is it helpful in determining if St. Pete is pulling it’s weight or vice versa?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'm sure there is, but its likely proprietary to the credit card company.
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes. Boston.
I'll have a bloody mary and a steak sandwich...and a steak sandwich.
by Passionate Apathy on Jun 21, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
could always add something to purchase points
asking for zip codes like Radio Shack does with phone numbers. They could probably get the info from StubHub too
by Jason Collette on Jun 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I think a simple Zip code would be perfect, simple and less invasive.
Maddon's Mission
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Gives us an excuse for why we're tanking right now
The team is horrible because of the uncertainty over their future.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake the fans up?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
seriously
As a full-season ticket holder who has dropped over 10k on this team since the beginning of 2007, its hard not to react with visceral anger.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 21, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
In that it actually makes me want to say 'screw it...let Tampa pay for them'
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 21, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand this is completely irrational
But still…don’t understand the timing of it all.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 21, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball is in the forefront right now. It creates discussion.
Doing it in the offseason won’t have nearly the impact.
Go Gators!!
Also it's pretty much an off day for the entire league that isn't the All-Star break. That doesn't happen very often.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
It's going to be tough for either to make it to the finals now
It would take 4 straight W’s. The first game is almost a must win
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
At least one will have the satisfaction of ending the others season
Florida could end both FSU’s and Miami’s seasons
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
The Rays are struggling jut a wee bit, sure. But I think it's safe to say they'll rebound nicely.
If this presser affects attendance, I don’t think it should.
How the Rays play should be the sole reason for fans showing/not showing.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Stu's exact words "Loyal fan base"
The fact of the matter is that the Rays have a strong core fan base. We love the team, we attend the games, we blog, and we watch on tv. We aren’t going to stop.
The people that will get turned off to the point of not going to games are the people that aren’t going to games in the first place.
Go Gators!!
I imagine my attendance would go down to 10-15 or so per year
rather than my current 40-50. But I understand the bigger picture, however depressing it is to me.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean if we move to Tampa? Or because of the announcement?
Also a new stadium will cause much higher gameday experiences. More to park, no bringing in food/drink, higher ticket prices….
The fans that attend a bunch of games will certainly be priced out of some, but the fans that attend zero, one or two may find the entertainment so much better that they’ll attend more games. That is the delicate balance.
Go Gators!!
I'd probably take advantage of my priority number and stubhub significant portions of my tix
for the first year during the honeymoon, and then cancel after that….It would be the rational thing to do.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 21, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Being in Lakeland
I still make it to 10-15 games per season. If they end up on my side of the bay I’ll probably consider season tix.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
I've always thought the Lakeland-side of Tampa would be the ideal location. You could make the case for a couple of different sites
Luckily they are just saying that they need to not ignore a site because of an imaginary boundary.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando
I’m in Orlando at least once a week playing baseball and constantly during our games you hear “Pena just went yard again!!” or “That kid Hellickson is our third best pitcher right now” or “Rays suck! Yankees/Red Sox will kick their ass!” There are fans in Polk and Orange county that will make that trip for sure.
It’s an hour fifteen from the Fairgrounds to Downtown Orlando at 10pm, which I think is the key time most people consider when deciding to make a trip to a sporting event. Leaving early enough to get to the game is one thing, but when can I get home and get to sleep is more important.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
Putting the stadium at the fairground
eliminates all of Pinellas county from the key 30 minutes or less drivetime
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Carillon, Westshore, Channelside/Downtown
should be the only options being discussed
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Agreed
That population circle fills up quite a bit more at Channelside and Westshore.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
I think people underestimate the Carillon area
It brings in all of northern Pinellas county. A big problem with the Trop is that it’s easier for someone from Tampa to get to the game then someone from Palm Harbor.
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
To expand I would say a big problem with our area's transit
is the difficulty in travel between southern and northern Pinellas because of a lack of an interstate
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Not really
It’s still a huge pain in the ass to get to Carillon from anywhere west of US 19. That’s more of a general transportation problem than anything though. There’s no good west county N/S highway, and there’s no good E/W vein of traffic.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Agreed
I’d rank them
1. Carillon
2. CSide
3. Westshore
Go Gators!!
I'm not that familiar with Carillon...
Could you google map it for me?
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
I'm about to post a bunch of HTML code, certain it won't work, but I'm hoping there's a slight chance it will.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Not what I was aiming for, but that went better than expected.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
AH! Thanks.
That’s right where my sister just moved to. There is a ton of available land right there. I could just park at her place call and call a taxi.
Representin' the West Side of Mulberry!
Right over the Howard Frankland on the Pinellas side
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
The fairgrounds is a poor area
There is nothing around it. You need restaurants, shops, and bars. Same problem as near RayJay. Football stadiums don’t require a good surrounding atmosphere. Baseball stadiums are much more like hockey or basketball in that respect.
Go Gators!!
There's a huge fucking casino right there.
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
"huge"
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's been my biggest point of it, cutting 30-45 mins off the drive time makes it a realistic option for Orlandoites
to want to head down. Right now it’s just impossible to get out of work at 5 and get to the park at 7. That’s a huge market that could be brought in.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
St. Pete is just a minor league town
It just isn’t ready for the big show
1. Not enough people close by
2. Not enough $$$$ close by
3. Not enough businesses close by
4. Poor entertainment and food
5. Too many cheap retirees
Seeing and listening to the anti-stadium St Pete crowd just breaks my heart. They have no idea what baseball means to the community and the city. They have no idea how many hearts they are breaking. They had the golden goose; a waterfront stadium at Al Lang. It would have put St Pete on the map and made it a true destination. Christ I bet Stu would have changed the name to the “St Pete Rays” for a deal to get that stadium. It would have made the city big time, instead the city is going to lose baseball. It will go back to being some crappy retirement village on one half and some dangerous ghetto on the other.
Lets just hope the region doesn’t lose baseball. That will kill the region.
As a resident of Pinellas and the TB Area my entire life I am absolutely sick of this rivalry between the two cities. It is really only old people and politicians that care about this. Nobody I know gives a rats hoot whether the stadium is there or here. It is all the same to us. I am a resident of Tampa Bay, my allegiance isn’t to a particular city within this region.
Go Gators!!
by matthan on Jun 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I've always thought that if Tampa, St. Pete, and Clearwater functioned as one political entity that the region would be better off
If they could go back and set it up all over again I’d suggest a burrough style like NYC and have a city of Tampa Bay.
I agree; the current structure just creates way too many hurdles
And frankly the bulk of the citizens do not think of them as truly separate entities. We do not identify with either “Tampa” “St Pete” Clearwater" “Brandon” “Largo”, but rather Tampa Bay.
Go Gators!!
Some thoughts:
Is moving the team to Tampa really going to help? You still have a lot of fans that are going to blame the drive. Florida is much more sprawling than Chicago or New York. I doubt there are a million people that live within 30 minutes of downtown Tampa.
I still don’t understand why the Rays haven’t insisted that MLB make the Phillies & Yanks move their spring training. There are some entrenched fans that might switch over to the Rays if they had no other options…
Aren't we all risking the threat of being banned by responding to this thread?
Afterall, it centers around attendance
There is a caveat for attendance specific threads.
Sign OJ Da Juiceman
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
TGN1 enjoys your posting too much to burden it with busybody work like modding.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm turning in my mod keys; you won't have to worry about this anymore.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
No more modding? What happened?
I’ve never seen Mexobear be sad.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I just don't want to anymore. It's not sad. I'm just tired of having to be the asshole all the time.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I hope you will join us in criticizing the moderation
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I will indeed. You should be banned.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
No you should be banned
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop criticizing the moderation.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
daveh33
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been a good run
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't get the rivalry between the sides of the bay
If Europe can unify under a common currency, after numerous wars, a Holocaust, and language barriers shouldn’t the two sides of the bay be able to work together?
Go Gators!!
It wasn't a possible reference
Whether it is a good or bad idea was totally irrelevant to what I said. The point was that they were working together given all their differences and historical problems.
Go Gators!!
This is nearly universally wrong.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I really hate the Trop
outside of the roof and A/C. I’ve been to Petco, Minute Maid, Rangers Park, and will go to Target Field next week. Go to any one of those yards and you’ll never view the Trop in the same manner again.
by Jason Collette on Jun 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Florida is hot and rainy
San Diego and Texas aren’t
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 21, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They can build new stadiums with roofs and A/C
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
The entire country is hot
We have rain and humidity, but temps and heat indices are higher all across the nation. Rain is a legit concern, but heat isn’t.
Go Gators!!
Well heat may harm our precious elderly
Go Gators!!
They're our most important resource, just ask them
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a huge fan of the stadium they pitched in 08.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This times a million
I’ve been to San Fran, Coors, Atlanta, and Citi Field
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Go to any one of them and sit through a 2 hour rain delay or
30-40 degree temps
I’ve done it
I’m from CLE
Banned
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 21, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Obvious news is obvious
Sternburg will get whatever he wants. All he has to do is threaten to sell the team back to Vince Naimoli.
2010 Rays Baseball: Shut up, Mr. Rosenthal. We're not giving up.
2010 FSU Baseball: 2010 ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS
Seriously
A ToyTown/Derby Lane location would probably work best for everyone
2010 Rays Baseball: Shut up, Mr. Rosenthal. We're not giving up.
2010 FSU Baseball: 2010 ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS
Derby Lane would work but it would require a TON of infrastructure work.
Gandy and 275 isn’t a viable solution to traffic.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Anywhere would
That would need to be part of the deal
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Oh God, and here come the old farts.
Retired99 wrote:
NO taxpayer funding for a new stadium. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
He got 30 thumbs up, and 15 thumbs down.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
ORLY?
The Trop is a great field with a history
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Boggs 3,000th hit and pitching performance.
NEVER FORGET.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
The thing St pete (local leaders and citizens)
need to understand is there is no local rivalry between St. Pete and Tampa. Its over, I know in the 80’s the cities were close in size and stature but now its the Tampa Bay area, not St Pete and that’s because the population, airport, pro teams, large business districts, super bowls, republican national convention, large malls, concerts….. Are in Tampa. and that’s where the Rays have to be to make money. The Abc collation just did a study to say something every resident in this area knows more people live in and around Tampa then St Pete.
I have a feeling the reason it's called the Tampa Bay area
is because the bay is called Tampa Bay and nothing else.
Sonny's Baby Mamas - http://twitter.com/r_j_anderson/status/16590999556
http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
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