Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Leandro Damiao Is Still Really Good

What to Expect from Matt Joyce

Beyond pudding, lollipop filled rainbows, and unicorns...

A large part of a player's public perception is performance. Before spring training started, I noted the difference in perception of Sean Rodriguez. To some Rodriguez was just a player we received in the Scott Kazmir salary dump. However, to others, Rodriguez was good enough to be considered a starter on most teams. After his fantastic spring, those who had never heard of Rodriguez expected him to hit .350 with 30 home runs. Meanwhile, when he got off to a slow start, there were instant calls for his demotion. Luckily for us, Rodriguez has settled somewhere in between and is a quality every day player.

More recently, I had a discussion about expectations with new baseball enthusiast, and former Buccaneer quarterback Shaun King. Coming into the season, King expected big things from Ben Zobrist in terms of power and offensive production. King's expectations were elevated further after Benzo signed his ~$30 million extension.

If your expectations of Zobrist were 30 home runs, 30 more doubles, and a slugging percentage that rivaled the Rays' early season win percentage, then yes, you will be disappointed like Shaun. On the other hand, if you expected Zobrist to hit for decent power (~50 extra base hits including 15-20 home runs) and get on-base at an above average clip with solid defense, then he is living up to those projections.

I say all of this because Matt Joyce has arrived and I can already feel the disappointment mounting. Don't get me wrong, I think Matt Joyce is fantastic. In fact, I'm more bullish than most on Joyce - sans for Anderson, R.J. That said, I get the feeling that some are expecting Joyce to be the savior of the franchise.

Joyce is good. A savior, he is not.

Star-divide

The good news is we really don't need Joyce to be a savior. On a team with Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, Carlos Pena, B.J. Upton, and the aforementioned Zobrist, we just need him to be productive. If we temper the messiah expectations, and just ask him to be slightly above average, I think we will end up satisfied.

Assuming the bulk of Joyce's plate appearances will come as a DH, he should easily be an upgrade over the current production the Rays have received from the position. Tampa Bay has played musical chairs at the DH spot in 2010, however, the production remains lackluster. The Rays' DH has produced a slash line of .244/.301/.371 this year. It is fair to expect Joyce to be better than that. Looking at the American League average for DH, .244/.324/.407, it is still fair to expect a little bit more from Joyce.

According to minorleaguesplits.com major league equivalent calculator, Joyce's amazing production at the minor league level (.317/.458/.550) is equal to a slash line of .258/.373/.414 at the big league level. An OPS of .787 for Joyce would be .105 points more than the current Rays' collective and .56 points more than league average.

Again, some will no doubt be disappointed in Joyce if he doesn't hit .400/.500/.600 with 50-leven home runs with a hundred and umpteen RBI. He will be labeled a bust, and Andrew Friedman will be an idiot for trading Edwin Jackson for such a bum. However, I'm hoping cooler heads prevail and we look at Joyce with reasoned expectation. If he replicates his minor league numbers at this level, we will gladly accept. However, if Joyce turns out to be just slicker than your average, we should gladly accept that as well.

Comment 26 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Are Carlos Pena and BJ Upton really worth mentioning with CC and Longoria?

In before things get crazy

Vroom vroom party starter
www.raysprospects.com

by Imperialism32 on Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I was actually going to suggest this.

I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.

by kericr on Jun 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I was expecting Zobrist to hit around 20HRs this year, not the 10 or so he's on pace for.

I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.

by kericr on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meaning we shouldnt have to lean on Matt Joyce

With the talent we have. I feel the same about Jaso. We shouldn’t be in a position to where we need production by Jaso, but here we are.

www.draysbay.com, www.bloombergsports.mlblogs.com, Twitter @trancel

by Tommy Rancel on Jun 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Has anyone really commented on the fact that, including Joyce, the Rays depend heavily on five players with less than a year of MLB experience?

I can’t decide if that’s impressive or not.

raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.

by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

by PlayOnWords on Jun 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

you mean rookies?

raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.

by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

by PlayOnWords on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've been thinking about this...

and I think it would be interesting to see a post comparing, in some capacity, those 1st year positional players with the non-1st year guys.

I’ve been rather impressed with the 1st year positional player performance but i’m not impressed we need to rely on them.

by kevinjc on Jun 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already lost that trade

E-JAX FOR CY YOUNG

2010 Rays Baseball: Shut up, Mr. Rosenthal. We're not giving up.
2010 FSU Baseball: 2010 ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS

by JMB on Jun 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He only looks as good as he does because he's in the NL

In my day lots of messy tissues over her

by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Jun 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether you win or lose a meaningless trade is well...meaningless

Trades of that magnitude is all about resource allocation.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jun 25, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't be much worse than Blalock?

………right?

2010 Rays Baseball: Shut up, Mr. Rosenthal. We're not giving up.
2010 FSU Baseball: 2010 ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS

by JMB on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't share your worry on Koyce, that being expectations will far outweigh results

He’s never put up the kind of numbers SeanRod did at the minor league level

As for Zobrist the shine has come way off his bat, and he’s settling in as a good OBP player with some gap power

A consistent 265/365/475 slash line for Joyce is what i’d be very content with, especially as a non platoon player

by sternfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Joyce will be okay

And okay is plenty good enough on a team that is this good with such glaring black holes to replace.

My hope is he is just consistent. Consistency on a team full of extreme streaky players would be a warm welcome.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jun 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Joyce should produce at a league average level or maybe a little better. The challenges are Pena, Bartlett, Upton, and the DH. Potentially fine starting pitching will go down the toilet unless these hitters return to form.

by kimo from kauai on Jun 26, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Founded in 2005, DRaysBay is home to, "Progressive statistical analysis and reasoned argument."

Please read our Community Guidelines.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Zobrist vs Pedroia vs Cano
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #31 Runoff

Recent FanPosts

Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #40
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospects #39
Small
Joe Maddon Town Hall meeting on the Ron and Ian show. Any ideas for questions I should ask?
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #37
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #35
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #34
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #33
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #32

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

"RHP Brandon Gomes will be behind at the start of spring training after...
2 minor league signings with invitations to spring...
Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff, The Hall of Fame, and 400 Home Runs
ESPN Chat with Matt Moore
Danny Clyburn: 1974-2012
Joe Maddon Town Hall Contest
Hickey said as of now all of the starters -- Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann,...
White Sox sign Dan Johnson
Indians acquire Canzler
Justin Ruggiano to Elect Free Agency

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

DRB Fantasy Baseball

Friends of the Site

DRB Suggestion Box

Drb4_medium


Managers

Slowsky__1__small Steve Slowinski

Dad_small Jason Collette

Brad_small BWoodrum

Price_small Erik Hahmann

Analysts

Lob-city_design_small rglass44

Untitled_small EminenceFront

Small Mulva

Rutg_uakjmedjwh9ndzd4lkll_small Imperialism32

100_1952_small MrNegative1

Steak-with-crown_small CBJones

Whelk_small Whelk

Small PGP

Scaled_php_small mr. maniac

Tampa_theatre_small jcmitchell

Me_small John Gregg