What to Expect from Matt Joyce
Beyond pudding, lollipop filled rainbows, and unicorns...
A large part of a player's public perception is performance. Before spring training started, I noted the difference in perception of Sean Rodriguez. To some Rodriguez was just a player we received in the Scott Kazmir salary dump. However, to others, Rodriguez was good enough to be considered a starter on most teams. After his fantastic spring, those who had never heard of Rodriguez expected him to hit .350 with 30 home runs. Meanwhile, when he got off to a slow start, there were instant calls for his demotion. Luckily for us, Rodriguez has settled somewhere in between and is a quality every day player.
More recently, I had a discussion about expectations with new baseball enthusiast, and former Buccaneer quarterback Shaun King. Coming into the season, King expected big things from Ben Zobrist in terms of power and offensive production. King's expectations were elevated further after Benzo signed his ~$30 million extension.
If your expectations of Zobrist were 30 home runs, 30 more doubles, and a slugging percentage that rivaled the Rays' early season win percentage, then yes, you will be disappointed like Shaun. On the other hand, if you expected Zobrist to hit for decent power (~50 extra base hits including 15-20 home runs) and get on-base at an above average clip with solid defense, then he is living up to those projections.
I say all of this because Matt Joyce has arrived and I can already feel the disappointment mounting. Don't get me wrong, I think Matt Joyce is fantastic. In fact, I'm more bullish than most on Joyce - sans for Anderson, R.J. That said, I get the feeling that some are expecting Joyce to be the savior of the franchise.
Joyce is good. A savior, he is not.
The good news is we really don't need Joyce to be a savior. On a team with Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, Carlos Pena, B.J. Upton, and the aforementioned Zobrist, we just need him to be productive. If we temper the messiah expectations, and just ask him to be slightly above average, I think we will end up satisfied.
Assuming the bulk of Joyce's plate appearances will come as a DH, he should easily be an upgrade over the current production the Rays have received from the position. Tampa Bay has played musical chairs at the DH spot in 2010, however, the production remains lackluster. The Rays' DH has produced a slash line of .244/.301/.371 this year. It is fair to expect Joyce to be better than that. Looking at the American League average for DH, .244/.324/.407, it is still fair to expect a little bit more from Joyce.
According to minorleaguesplits.com major league equivalent calculator, Joyce's amazing production at the minor league level (.317/.458/.550) is equal to a slash line of .258/.373/.414 at the big league level. An OPS of .787 for Joyce would be .105 points more than the current Rays' collective and .56 points more than league average.
Again, some will no doubt be disappointed in Joyce if he doesn't hit .400/.500/.600 with 50-leven home runs with a hundred and umpteen RBI. He will be labeled a bust, and Andrew Friedman will be an idiot for trading Edwin Jackson for such a bum. However, I'm hoping cooler heads prevail and we look at Joyce with reasoned expectation. If he replicates his minor league numbers at this level, we will gladly accept. However, if Joyce turns out to be just slicker than your average, we should gladly accept that as well.
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Are Carlos Pena and BJ Upton really worth mentioning with CC and Longoria?
In before things get crazy
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I was actually going to suggest this.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Also, I was expecting Zobrist to hit around 20HRs this year, not the 10 or so he's on pace for.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Meaning we shouldnt have to lean on Matt Joyce
With the talent we have. I feel the same about Jaso. We shouldn’t be in a position to where we need production by Jaso, but here we are.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you apply the 5 percent DH penalty to his MLE you get a .748 expectation
A hair above lg avg.
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Has anyone really commented on the fact that, including Joyce, the Rays depend heavily on five players with less than a year of MLB experience?
I can’t decide if that’s impressive or not.
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
by PlayOnWords on Jun 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What other team has three LH bats the caliber of Jaso, Brignac, and Joyce to call upon?
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean rookies?
raysprospects.com is sooo much better then this site. to many haters with horrible sense and knowledge of baseball on draysbay.com.
by Still the Devil Rays on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
by PlayOnWords on Jun 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've been thinking about this...
and I think it would be interesting to see a post comparing, in some capacity, those 1st year positional players with the non-1st year guys.
I’ve been rather impressed with the 1st year positional player performance but i’m not impressed we need to rely on them.
He's a bust if he doesn't hit a HR in his first AB and we will have lost the EdWIN trade
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
We already lost that trade
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He only looks as good as he does because he's in the NL
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by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
Whether you win or lose a meaningless trade is well...meaningless
Trades of that magnitude is all about resource allocation.
Go Gators!!
Can't be much worse than Blalock?
………right?
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I don't share your worry on Koyce, that being expectations will far outweigh results
He’s never put up the kind of numbers SeanRod did at the minor league level
As for Zobrist the shine has come way off his bat, and he’s settling in as a good OBP player with some gap power
A consistent 265/365/475 slash line for Joyce is what i’d be very content with, especially as a non platoon player
So you're saying that your expectations are not very high for Joyce, but that you expect him to put up a .840 OPS?
I’m confused.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say you are, I'd take .265/.345/.455 and a plus glove and call it a day.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As you said, eventually, I don't think he'll do that this year unless he's solely used against righties.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyce will be okay
And okay is plenty good enough on a team that is this good with such glaring black holes to replace.
My hope is he is just consistent. Consistency on a team full of extreme streaky players would be a warm welcome.
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agreed
Joyce should produce at a league average level or maybe a little better. The challenges are Pena, Bartlett, Upton, and the DH. Potentially fine starting pitching will go down the toilet unless these hitters return to form.
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